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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:08 PM
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Here's How Clark Should Be Used At The Convention
First let me start by saying Wes Clark should be given a prominent opportunity to speak. As I write it seems unclear that that will in fact happen.

Our ticket seems to have made a conscious choice not to emphasize that faulty intelligence led many in Congress to cast positive votes on the IWR that they might otherwise not have made. John Edwards on CNN (I saw the interview this AM) just stood by his IWR vote, saying it was correct to give authorization to the President, and that the world is safer without Hussein, although Edwards of course blasted Bush for how he subsequently managed the situation.

That is not my position, but we can work with it. Clark during the campaign, up until now, has repeatedly emphasized how it was a strategic blunder for the U.S. to move our priority off of Afghanistan onto Iraq before fully vanquishing the Taliban and Al Quada's infra-structure there (with the follow up position that we never should have invaded Iraq period unless it could be shown that they posed an imminent threat to the U.S.). Clark is right. So how do we reconcile these positions with that of our ticket? Strategy and timing.

It can (and of course has) been argued that Bush needed the IWR vote to provide credible leverage that the President could use to force the U.N. and our Allies to apply pressure on Iraq to comply with U.N. resolutions. That essentially was Kerry's position in voting yes on IWR. So what Clark can do now, like no one else in the Democratic Party, is explain exactly how Bush blew it AFTER that vote. An Administration that was not blinded by an ideological imperative to invade Iraq at the earliest opportunity (one that would look a lot like the kind that Kerry will form) might have used a Congressional IWR vote to pressure the U.N., but it would have drawn up a completely different timeline for action. Our State Department probably accurately foresaw that the U.N. would sit up and take notice once the U.S. started acting tough, and that in turn was bound to lead to the reintroduction of inspectors into Iraq. That is where A Kerry Administration would have parted ways with the Bush Administration.

The U.N. was not ready to act by the Spring window that preceded the suffocating heat of Iraq's Summer. Not a problem. U.N. inspectors had Hussein pinned down. If Hussein had WMD's, he couldn't deploy them (of course now we know that he didn't). In a worst case (since War is always a worst case), the U.S. could have allowed another 6 months of inspections and diplomacy before making that fateful decision to invade EVEN IF Hussein actually DID have WMD.

What the United States could have done with that six months is an excellent question to ask. For one thing, we could have gotten the job done right in Afghanistan, and sent in the troops needed to catch Bin Ladin. For a second thing, the U.S. could have acted in good faith with our Allies and the World community, and built a real coalition willing to share the costs in soldiers and money for an invasion of Iraq and the subsequent rebuilding of Iraq had War actually been necessary. For a third thing, we would have had time to secure Turkey's cooperation for a second Northern front. For a fourth thing, we would have had time to build up adequate stocks of equipment to properly equip our troops the first time with armored Humvees and bullet proof vests. For a fifth thing, we could have done the job right planning for a post invasion scenario in Iraq. And the kicker of course, is we NEVER would have needed to go in at all if Hussein had seen the whole world unite against him, which would have made it much more likely he would have cooperated fully with inspections, and that would have been that SINCE THERE WERE NO WMD's TO BEGIN WITH.

Wes Clark can and should explain this to the American Public. He is the man to do it. He knows all the details inside and out. He knows War, he knows diplomacy, he knows our Allies. He's been there and done that. We don't need at this point to relive the debates over the IWR. We can prove how Bush blew it. Clark can rattle off all of the poor decisions made in haste to deal with post invasion Iraq. He can explain exactly how decisions made by Rumsfeld have stressed out our Armed Forces and Reserves to the near breaking point. Kerry should have Clark make that case, and he should do it at the Convention.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:17 PM
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1. Great post
I agree completely. ;)
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:21 PM
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2. Nobody can touch Clark in this party on foreign policy
OK, there's Jamie Rubin and Richard Holbrooke, but they don't have the public stature of Clark, they never led this nation into battle, and they never subjected themselves to the vagaries of the party primary process.

So Clark deserves to be spotlighted at the convention, because he speaks with more authority, more clarity and more persuasiveness on the key issues of Iraq and the War on Terror than anybody else on the roster. It's not even a contest.

I don't think he'll be given the profile that you and I would hope for. I posted a thread last night asking if he'd have any role, and many DU'ers wrote back saying all the primary candidates would be given a speaker's slot. But prime-time for Wes? It's not a given. There's still plenty of resistance to him even though, as you point out, he can help extricate Kewrry and Edwards from the apparent contradiction of their IWR vote and their subsequent criticisms of the war.

My approach would be to let Wes be Wes and talk about leadership and accountability. As he has said before, the President sets our national priorities, and, by targeting Iraq when he did, he set the wrong priority. Take the emphasis off Kerry and Edwards and place it on Bush's catastrophically bad judgment. Wes will do a great job. Here's hoping the Democratic Party has the good sense to let the country hear him.
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LandOLincoln Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:25 PM
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3. Concise, eloquent, and spot on as usual.
Email this immediately, please, to Terry Mac/the DNC, to the two Bills, and to John Kerry.

Oh yeah--you might want to include a cc to WKC as well. ;-)
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:31 PM
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4. Clark should be given a prominent role in Kerry's cabinet as well...
Preferably, Secretary of State (since he's ineligible for Rummy's job). We need his common sense & leadership ability more than ever.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:50 PM
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5. I think he should be given a prominent speaking role
but so, too, in my opinion, should former Vermont Governor Howard Dean who, in 2003, did a great deal to energize the opposition to Bush. As it stands now all the also-rans will speak sometime on Monday evening.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 08:49 PM
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12. I absolutely agree about Dean
Dean did great things for our Party when no one else it seemed was up to the task. He set the Democratic tone for this entire Campaign cycle, by taking it right to Bush early and often. And the more prominent a role Dean plays at the Convention, the more insignificant a potential rift between the Anti War, and the less Anti War, Democrats becomes. Plus, if given a large enough spotlight, Dean will send tens of thousands of activists across this nation roaring off into the night to TAKE DOWN BUSH.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 08:58 PM
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13. Governor Dean SHOULD have a prominent role
He is the backbone of the entire anti-Bush movement. He made it OK to speak out; he gave people courage. And he is an inspiration to many people, not only Dems, but Indies & unhappy Repubs.

He energizes people like no one else.

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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:57 PM
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6. Clark will have a primetime
speech if the e-mail I received from my Clark Group is accurate. Monday night, I think.

MzPip
:dem:
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 03:59 PM
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7. yes all of the 2004 candidates
will have a speaking role on Monday night.
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 04:44 PM
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8. Tom, a Terrific Post as usual!!
One of the most eloquent, & well thought out posts, as usual.

Being VERY anti-Iraq war, I would love to hear more from the Dem team,
as to WHY the Iraq war was a disastrous mistake of foreign policy.

We have weakened & stretched our troops to the breaking point. They are also tied down in Iraq, & unavailable if actually needed.

In attacking Iraq, we have pursued a bogey man, while Osama bin Laden remains alive & well, & Al Queda recruits increase daily.

We have put a target on every American s back around the world; even our oldest friends now hold us in disdain.

But the biggest offense committed by the Bush Administration is the WAY they lied, distorted, misrepresented the data to the American people in selling this war.

I am truly disappointed with Kerry/Edwards message on this important issue. I cannot see the policy differences between them & Bush/Cheney.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 06:36 PM
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9. Great post, Tom.
I do hope his foreign policy expertise is used Monday night. He's, without a doubt, the man to give that speech. Here's hoping! :toast: I can't wait to hear him and all of the former candidates speak. I'm looking forward to it.

Terrific post!
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deminflorida Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 06:41 PM
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10. Can't wait.....
Clark should be the mouth-piece for the upcoming Administration's Foreign Policy and and National Security Issues.
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LuLu550 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 07:35 PM
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11. Great post, Tom..
you have a way of summing things up well.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 10:04 PM
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14. Loved it!
Just not the "how he can be "used""....he has been that quite enough already. Let's just say how he could be most effective for John Kerry/John Edwards.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 10:28 PM
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15. How Clark Can Best Contribute
would have been a much better choice of words, I agree. Oh well, can't edit it now, it is what it is.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-16-04 11:11 PM
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16. Nominated for the Homepage
I really needed to read that Tom. You make the case so much better than I ever could. I see too much caution in our ticket. I understand there is alot of time left to see what develops. Perhaps even for other things to come to fruition that would be unfavorable to BushCo. We shall see.
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 06:52 AM
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17. Yep, point-man on Iraq - just saw poll that Iraq is W's most vulnerable...
issue. Excellent post, TR!
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:03 AM
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18. There's no doubt on credentials
Clark's got the credentials to get up on that stage and explain to the world just how Team Bush screwed up militarily. Each of the candidates actually has their own strong suit that they can speak on and I'm glad they will be given opportunity to do so (if all I hear is true).

You always were a credit to your candidate Tom. Well done.

Julie
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 05:23 PM
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19. A kicjk for the week end n/t
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 07:02 PM
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20. I disagree with you here, Tom
My feeling is that the lesson "IF Saddam had the weapons THEN we were right to invade" is tantamount to accepting the Bush doctrine.

The problem is not that Bush lied about Saddam having WMD, it's that he lied about the *implications* of Saddam having WMD. If we accept his superficial containment arguments, how do we argue when we know for certain that the next guy *does* have WMD?

We can't. The Democrats will be ensnared by their appeasement. Clark must continue to speak the truth, even if he is the lone voice in the wilderness. Let Kerry and Edwards rattle off all the tactical mistakes they wish -- there are a lot of them.

The truth is it was a strategic blunder.

It would be extremely dangerous if nobody was willing to let Americans know that.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:53 PM
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23. It's not that I don't see your point
You have a good one. Actually the theoretical issue was whether Hussein would cooperate with the UN inspectors once they gained entry to Iraq. The Bush Administration framed it as; would Hussein reveal his WMD, which they were sure he had, and anything less than turning over WMD was viewed as non cooperation. In reality Hussein no longer had any, but for political strategic reasons, he was reluctant to fully reveal that fact, and so he kept playing cat and mouse games. By splintering a potential world wide coalition, which was available through the U.N., by being so eager to go to war, Bush surrendered any chance there was to convince Hussein that he had no choice but to cooperate fully with the U.N. inspectors, since "the whole world" would have been lined up against him. A Kerry Administration would have empowered U.N. inspectors, not undercut them, and in so doing he would have empowered the U.N., not undercut it.

What you left out of your equation was the role of the U.N. as a constraining entity, not only on two bit dictatorships, but also on the U.S, as the only remaining Super Power. Iraq was a special case among nations that may possess WMD, because the U.N. had officially adapted resolutions requiring it to abandon them, as a condition for normalizing relations with the world community in the aftermath of Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Pressuring Iraq through seeking to enforce U.N. resolutions, potentially strengthens the role of that international institution by validating the legitimacy of it's directives, and by designating it as the avenue through which International disputes are resolved. That in turn puts a theoretical check on interventionist oriented U.S. governments like Bush's, once the expectation exists within the American public that the U.N. is the proper route to legitimately first pursue in resolving international disputes. The more correct formulation of your above equation therefor might be "IF the U.N. proved Saddam had the weapons, AND he refused to destroy them AND the U.N. passed a Security Council resolution authorizing use of force to disarm Hussein if he refused to abide by previous resolutions and give them up, THEN the U.S. and others, working under U.N. legitimacy, would be right to invade". The world would be a safer place if the U.S. felt a far greater need to work through the U.N. in attempting to achieve it's policy objectives.

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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 05:02 AM
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24. I read your post a few times
Edited on Sun Jul-18-04 05:41 AM by RafterMan
and I think we see this issue very differently.

The illegitimacy of the war greatly compounds its folly, but it is not the folly itself. The core issue is that Saddam -- granting him all the weapons on Bush's list -- did not constitute a significant threat to America or its allies.

If the UN had come to our door with flowers, begging us to invade Iraq, it still would have been a foolish thing to do. Spending hundreds of lives, two hundred and fifty billion dollars, recruiting thousands of terrorists and breaking the morale of the Army -- Saddam was worse than this?

If the United States cannot learn to tolerate the Saddam-sized specks of insecurity in the world, it will hemorrhage resources until it sinks.

I agree that "the world would be a safer place if the U.S. felt a far greater need to work through the U.N. in attempting to achieve it's policy objectives."

I would add that America would be a safer place if its policy objectives were worth achieving.
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Tom Rinaldo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-04 07:48 AM
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25. We are not in as much disagreement as you might think
You recall I did say you had a good point. I still thought it important to point out the special role of the U.N. Had the U.S. only invaded Iraq with full U.N. authority and legitimacy, all of the costs would have been lesser in my opinion, by the way. Not only the costs to the U.S., through having them shared, but to the people of Iraq also. Much of the chaos and destruction happened post actual invasion, due to near criminally negligent U.S. lack of planning. Plus National pride was trampled on for many in Iraq by having the U.S. as their occupying power, only fueling the insurgency and ongoing conflict and death.

And in this case the invasion would not have happened. I beieve that a Non Bush Administration would have worked through the U.N. Inspector program, which would not have found WMD's. That is a case in point of the value of having another institution, the U.N., as a buffer between misguided American policies and their implementation.
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:12 PM
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21. You're the best Tom.
Hearing that Clark may have a prime time speaking slot...made my weekend! :bounce:

I was so disappointed that K/E seem so soft on this stinking war and Bushes' stupid mistakes and lies! We NEED CLARK at that convention!
If he isn't selected as SoS ...I will lose a lot faith in Kerry and his positions on Iraq.
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incapsulated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-04 09:48 PM
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22. Amen
Right, as usual, Tom. :)

Let's hope that the Kerry campaign can see the opportunity they would have with Clark speaking to this issue.
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