poop on Kerry - he's pro Israeli wall

[donsu]

heard this on Wash. Journal this a.m. (Wash. Journal's smirk love-ins seem to have changed from Fri to Suns.)


yes I know, anybody but bush, but it still stinks that he sent his brother over to rap with Sharon.


voting in Nov. is a dream

[Liberal Veteran]

1. Sadly...no viable candidate is going to be 100 percent in line with you.

Or anyone else, most likely.

[GreenArrow]

19. it's less about the candidate

than about the system.

[Seven]

35. I'd be happy..

...if I could get a candidate who was in line with me about half the time in a serious way.

[seventhson]

2. Kerry is not going to alienate his Jewish base by opposing the wall

that is a sad fact of life (altho the wall in certain areas makes sense, in other areas it is creating ghettoes and gulags and open-air prisons as d4escribed by one Israeli recently).

The wall is an issue, like Iraq, that we will deal with after Bush is gone. Nobody could be worse than Bush on any of these issues so we just have to bite our tongues until after election day. Then we raise hell on all the issues which we need KERRY TO WORK ON, like Peace in that region.

[seventhson]

Anyway - don't call it a wall, this Israeli says -

check this out, it is actually heartening that an Israeli would oppose the wall so publicly and dismaying that Kerry cannopt see the problem which is well laid out in this thread linked to the original Ha-aretz article.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x74414

[still_one]

3. absolutely right

incidently, I doubt bush will get the majority of the the Jewish vote. The only Jewish vote he will get are the conservative Jews which are far a few between.

The most important thing is to get bush out, then the people need to influence Kerry to do the right thing

bush will never change, we might have a chance with Kerry...

[seventhson]

6. I generally agree - but if Kerry publisly opposed the "walls"

he midht alienate a lot of the Florida elderly Jewish vote swinging the elction possibly.

tactically he is doing the right thing and I believe he pretty much has to altho morally I disagree with the wall the way it is being done and think Kerry should oppose it.

However, we saw what taking the moral high ground did for Gore in 2000 (nothing at all, really).

we have to win this one using the same political tricks as the Bushzis only with as much morality intact as possible.

[brainshrub]

9. Exactly.

A candidate criticizing Israel is considered an anti-Semite.

[Pepperbelly]

4. Would SS protection preclude you from doing that?

that is, pooping on Kerry?

:P

[still_one]

5. good point

if bush wins another term, the neo-con base will be solidified, and it will be at least 20 years before anything can be done about it

[judy]

7. I think this is awful...

I really dislike the way Kerry refers to the "War on Terror" as if it was real and not a scam, and the way he supports the Wall of Shame in Israel. As if Israel's "war on terror" was not proving over and over again to be a dismal failure. First they bomb, then we kill, then they bomb, then we build a wall, then they bomb, then we kill. Absurd.

However, Kerry, and I'm sure he knows it, has my vote. I just wish I liked him better.
I am a Kucinich supporter, and just like him, I know that we must oppose a united front to Bush Inc. :(

[JohnLocke]

8. It's not a wall, it's a fence

Ninty-five percent of the barrier is a fence.

[seventhson]

10. According to this Israeli, they are not walls they are prisons and ghettos

Don't Call it a Wall (Ron HaCohen - Professor at Tel Aviv University)


http://www.dissidentvoice.org/July2004/HaCohen0707.htm

I urge folks to read this to understand the issue which at first blush seems simple.

it isn't

[wtmusic]

12. Much better - maybe they can use some old pieces of the Berlin "fence"

n/t

[JohnLocke]

13. Typical non-answer.

[no name no slogan]

16. Yeah, a 50-foot high concrete "fence" built on Palestinian land (nt)

[JohnLocke]

29. Wrong.

"The barrier includes a chain link fence, which would run along about 95 percent of the proposed route, and concrete walls would make up about 5 percent." -- The New York Times

[Sean Reynolds]

20. Yeah, and the Iraq war really isn't a war......

It's liberation! :eyes:

It's a fucking wall and Kerry is a typical political whore. I'm so sick of politicians pandering, I really get disgusted with the system. How 'bout a Kerry/Bush ticket?

Both seem a lot alike to me.

[primavera]

23. Well, 14 of the 15 justices on the ICJ

call it "illegal," whatever noun you may want to apply to it.

[otohara]

30. Well Then....

they should have used an electric fence, so the appearance would be no fence at all... - implant chips in the Palestinians - and if they cross the line - ZAP

[lastknowngood]

11. Same criminal org that's running the shrub and co.

n/t

[emulatorloo]

14. Elect him first, see how he governs, then poop all you want

Just a practical proposal.

George Bush ran as a compassionate conservative last time, and he is neither.

[peacetalksforall]

15. I don't believe the crap about alienating voters of the Jewish faith.

They are smarter than that. Someone will have to convince me that a significant number of Jews in America support the wall.

In this country, many people are ranting about closing off the convention sites and the White House. People do not like walls.

[goodhue]

17. yes

down with walls

[Hippo_Tron]

18. It's what the Rabbis preach to their congregations...

Or at least many do. It's basically the same way that some Christain relgious leaders preach to their congregations that they should vote for Bush because he supports the Christain agenda.

[IndianaGreen]

31. Rabbis don't preach

some actually get booed!

[rockymountaindem]

33. How often do you go to synagogue?

My Rabbi is from Israel and the topic of Israel and Zionism hardly ever comes up. Where do you attend services?

[TexasSissy]

21. He sent his brother to corral the Jewish vote. Lots of Isreaelis who are

American citizens.....and they vote by absentee ballot. I heard this on Meet the Press, I think? Heard it today.

[TexasSissy]

22. Unless you hear Kerry say this himself, you might want to keep open

the possibility that that is not his position. It's been heard of during this campaign that Kerry's positions are sometimes not reported correctly. That may be his position....but it may not be. I have not heard anyone say that, esp. in view of this administration's public position that the wall is not a good idea (private positions are another matter, however).

[sandnsea]

24. He understands the wall

Understands Israel's desire to protect itself from suicide bombers. Until the violence stops, he supports them protecting their people.

Which obviously isn't his entire position on I/P.

[peacetalksforall]

25. Well, wouldn't it be progressive to talk peace...has Kerry said he would

try to reinstate peace talks. Where is Kerry on peace and negotiating? He sure seems like he's status (cabal) quo on many issues that are important to me.

Where are the words that will make me feel comfortable?

[sandnsea]

26. Nah, no peace talks

He's going to give Israel a trillion dollars to wipe the entire ME off the planet.

[TexasSissy]

32. Has he publicly stated that he approves of the wall?

[CPops57]

27. I want Kerry to win.....but.....

....I fear the pro-Israel agenda will remain the same.

I wish the Palestineans could get some fair justice instead of being walled into cages.

[Moloch]

28. It is too bad that Palestinians don't have the #3 lobbying group

in the US to influence presidential candidates.

How incredibly sad Israel is for building an apartheid wall, surrendering to its own fear.

[George_Bonanza]

34. This is contradictory of what I heard in the primaries

The general feeling was that in the Kerry vs. Dean boxing slugfest, Kerry's positions on Israel was more sensible than Dean's.

"It's very difficult for Israel to negotiate because in Israel there is nobody to negotiate to actually deliver,"

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1065640/posts

[Jim Sagle]

36. Kerry RAWWWWWWWWWKSSSSSSSS!!!!!!

[Lefty Pragmatist]

37. There is a sway of Jews towards the GOP.

The Dems have a potential problem with this demographic. Kerry is addressing it. Given that in the case of the Israeli wall, both sides are merrily skipping towards hell hand-in-hand, it hardly matters and it's good politics.