Is there any compromise that can be reached on MI and FL

[AllentownJake]

To prevent this Nuclear Option from coming to fruition?

Hillary supporters are threatning to blow up the party if they aren't seated.

Obama supporters are threatning to blow up the party if they are.

Any options that would be acceptable to both sides?

[jsamuel]

1. yeah, declare my candidate the winner

lol

[lapfog_1]

2. Follow the rules and the agreements made by all the candidates

and don't seat anyone from Florida or Michigan.

Then, whoever reached the majority of delegates (super and pledged) is our nominee.

If the voters in those states wish to sit on their hands this fall and not vote for our candidate, remind them who is to blame for this mess (not us, the candidates or the DNC)

[BlooInBloo]

3. There's no problem. Let Clinton spew the last of her spite. And then lose.

[MercutioATC]

4. New primaries in both states. Same rules/procedures as before.

Bill the cost to the respective state parties.

[vi5]

5. The time for compromise was before....

...the primaries were held early. Florida and Michigan refused to compromise and held the primaries early anyway. All the candidates agreed that if they held the primaries early that the results shouldn't and wouldn't count.

There should be no compromise just because Clinton changed her mind and is now throwing a temper tantrum because not seating them means her losing.

[rug]

6. No vote on the first ballot.

[AllentownJake]

7. That's going somewhere

and their supers don't get a vote for screwing this up in the first place on any ballot.

[rug]

8. Agreed. If this thing isn't settled on the first ballot, all bets are off.

[TheDoorbellRang]

9. As an Obama supporter, I think this would be fair:

1) Seat the pledged delegates from both states with each vote counting 1/2. This was the minimum penalty in the rules.

2) Give the uncommitted delegates in MI to Obama. This would be fair because the ceiling of support for Clinton there is expressed in the votes she received.

3) The super delegates in BOTH states should receive no vote. They were the reason for the whole fiasco. By doing it this way, the DNC could point out to all the talking heads that they were honoring the votes of the people in both states, while punishing the people who caused the disruption in the first place -- the MI and FL SD's.

[Aloha Spirit]

13. Not that a "fair" solution exists... but this is pretty close IMO.

[AZ Criminal JD]

10. No compromise. Count every vote.

Give Clinton the delegates she has earned and not one less. If Obama refuses that and he steals the nomination then he will have to live with the consequences.

[AllentownJake]

11. You take that position

we take ours than.

You win we stay home.

We win you stay home.

John McCain wins.

[Webster Green]

12. Obama followed the rules and wasn't on the Michigan ballot..

You think those votes should be counted? :rofl:

[AZ Criminal JD]

15. Clinton wasn't the one who took his name off of the ballot.

Obama did that. That was a bad judgment on his part. There was no rule saying the candidates should have their name off the ballot. Clinton, Kucinich, Dodd and Gravel all had their names on the ballot and Kucinich actively campaigned there (all of the candidates should have followed his example). Count every vote.

[Aloha Spirit]

14. This is tangential, but.. one solution to prevent this in 2012 already exists, I just read about it-

And the Democrats already have a provision promising states that agree to vote later in 2012 more delegates, proportionally, than states that vote early.

http://hprsite.squarespace.com/curing-the-primary-chao-042008/

PS I found this article because once a week, I google Prof. Kamarck to see what she's said. She's a local superdelegate who's on the R&BC.

[PurityOfEssence]

16. They shouldn't be seated; they defied the rules.

Dean was right at the very beginning. Rules that are forced upon people are one thing, and disobeying them if they're imposed by force is an acceptable act in my view, but rules of an organization of which one is a willing member are to be obeyed.

It will forever taint whatever outcome results, but not for me. Childish selfishness like Michigan's and Florida's cannot be tolerated if any sort of civilized system is to be had.

People of those states have my sympathy, but their leaders were assholes of the first order and should suffer for their pigheadedness.

Hopefully this won't happen again, but if anything short of strict enforcement of the rules comes to pass, we seriously increase the possibility.