If Hillary uses the Nuclear Endgame for the nomination, can she win the GE?

[cliffordu]

[AllentownJake]

1. Nope

She'll make McGovern and Mondale look like winners

[peacebird]

2. No.

[RainDog]

3. no

not only will the Huckabee republicans come out in droves, the base of the party will fracture. Ralph Nader (or, rather, the Greens/Nader) will declare to give the base a place to vote, and the 13% of whites that won't vote for Obama will vote for McCain anyway.

wanna take any bets on this?

[stevietheman]

4. Even with the nuclear option, Obama will win the nomination.

After May, he'll be so close to 2,025 that a small number of SDs will seal it.

[Genevieve]

5. No

[DJ13]

6. No

That would be a disaster for the party.

We would lose probably 20-30% of registered Democrats who moved to independant if she did that.


On a side note, I hate to think this way but Im not sure at this point that she would care about damaging the party.

[WA98296]

7. Not one chance in hell.

[WeDidIt]

8. It'll be a huge landslide

McCain will claim the ultimate mandate.

[cliffordu]

9. WHich is really funny in a gallows kind of way as that's the ONLY

way he could claim one....

[Iceburg]

10. If all the votes are counted Hillary will win/Obama will concede

and yes she will win the GE with Obama's support.

[AllentownJake]

14. I don't think you understand

I know you got this idea that we drink Kool-Aid and blindly follow the leader....we don't. We made him he didn't make us.

[cliffordu]

24. DING DING DING We have a winner!!!

"We made him, he didn't make us." Perfect. THANK YOU!

:patriot:

[AllentownJake]

26. I love how they assume

That we would blindly follow him no matter what he says.

Just because Obama says half heartidly I support the nominee...doesn't mean we will.

[Iceburg]

37. Then by defintion/qualification he is NOT a LEADER ...

From your responses it is clear he is nothing more than an orator.

[JBoy]

39. What are you, an android?

[AllentownJake]

43. Funny

I thought blind support for people no matter what they told you went out of style when we got rid of King George III in this country.

Guess I was mistaken.

[Hepburn]

36. There is NO amount of Kool Aid of ANY flavor...

...nor would begging and pleading from ANYONE cause me to give one iota of support to that POS liar Hillary Clinton.

Clear enough for ya? And don't give me this shit about defeating McGrandpa, OK? There is IMO no difference of any nature whatsoever between Hilly and Johnny. None...

[rug]

11. If she wins the nomination, the only way she will lose if Democrats don't vote for her.

[JVS]

29. There is the whole uniting Republicans to fulfill their collective dream thing that will...

sink her too.

[rug]

38. The Republicans can goosestep en masse into the voting booth and McCain still won't win

unless Democrats defect.

If that happens I hope there's more substance to that choice than simple pique.

[nebulovsky]

12. What is this nuclear endgame?

i hear the term a lot. What is it about?

[neverforget]

13. I would have a VERY hard time voting for her if she did that.

[jasmine621]

15. Did you folks even hear the direct question she was asked?

Her response was a direct answer to a direct question about Iran FIRST using a nuke against Israel.

[AllentownJake]

18. Wrong Nuclear options

I know she's all about obliterating things this day.

We are talking about MI and Florida.

[Aloha Spirit]

19. ouch

[AllentownJake]

21. BTW

Israel has 200 nuclear weapons and second strike capability. If Iran nuked Israel...we wouldn't have to do anything because Israel would end Iran.

[bowens43]

16. Nope

[chill_wind]

17. Pat Buchanan says yes- use the Nuclear Option.. He's all for it.

But to show his open-mindedness, he goes further-- he wants her to put Obama on the ticket.

Our neocon foes across the aisle are SALIVATING.

[olkaz]

25. I'm not sure you are implying it or not, but Buchanan is not a neocon.

He's a racist bigoted paleoconservative with one too many mics nearby.

But he's not a neocon.

[cliffordu]

28. He NEEDS an enema.

A hot lead enema.

[XOKCowboy]

47. She's the Republican Dream Candidate...

O'Leilly, Coulter, Buchanan, Rush. They're all behind her.

I wonder why?

[XOKCowboy]

48. Oops forgot to add Murdoch and Richard Mellon Scaife..

Yep Hill's really racking up support in the Media.

[rwheeler31]

20. no

[mkultra]

22. she cant win either way

[Webster Green]

23. No way!

I have said all along I will "hold my nose" and vote for her if she is the nominee, but not if they pull that crap.

Count me out. :thumbsdown:

[NanceGreggs]

27. Not a chance.

Too many Dems would sit it out rather than vote for her under those circumstances. In addition, the GOP would come out in force thinking here was their perfect opening to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat, and they'd make a substantial amount of hay out of how she 'won' her nomination.

Add to that the newly-registered Dems, especially the young ones, who will be totally disillusioned with the party and will not only refuse to vote for Hillary - they may walk away from the party forever, taking their future votes and their future financial contributions with them.

For those reasons and more, the 'nuclear option' won't be allowed to happen.

[NJSecularist]

30. Yes. Half the country wants Hillary as the nominee.

And the netroots will make a big fuss about it but most of them will vote for the Democratic nominee in November. Blacks will likely vote for the Democratic nominee in November.

Hillary will likely win more electoral votes in the general election with the "nuclear strategy" than Obama would likely win in November without the "nuclear strategy".

[JVS]

31. But enough about the Republican party

[swishyfeet]

42. Really just half of Democrats - and zero percent of Repugs

[AllentownJake]

44. I like how you think

We'll fall in line. If your in New Jersey....can you canvass in North Philadelphia for her?

[americanstranger]

32. Nope.

Bridges, burned.

And after getting humiliated in the GE, then Congress would get their retribution.

It will not end well. The name Clinton would rival the name Bush in terms of political embarrassment.

- as

[Hepburn]

33. Not a snow ball's chance in hell she would win. n/t

[dana_b]

34. ditto. n/t

[newmajority]

35. HELL no.

Her chances in the GE wouldn't be good if she were a legitimate nominee. She has ZERO chance if she steals it. And I will vote for Barack Obama regardless.

[Raine]

40. ABSOLUTELY NOT!

If she does that I doubt she can even hang onto her Senate seat.

[HooptieWagon]

41. No, won't even come close.

[John Q. Citizen]

45. The so-called nuclear endgame ain't gonna happen. I'm not even worried. Not a bit.

The party isn't going to put up with that.

So it's a moot question.

[XOKCowboy]

46. I'd hold my nose and still vote for her

I have to because of the Supreme Court but I don't trust her to put a real progressive in to balance Alito and Roberts.