My gut tells me that Hillary Clinton gave Obama a huge gift when she proposed the "gas tax holiday"

[scheming daemons]

A) It helped take the focus off of bullshit distractions and onto a REAL issue

B) It tied Hillary CLOSELY with McCain on a major issue

C) It allowed Obama to be PRESIDENTIAL in showing solid judgement and not going with the standard Washington pander to uninformed, low-information voters. He was put in a position to be the lone GROWN-UP in the debate for the past three days.



The gas-tax pander will go down as a major mistake for Hillary's campaign. The American voter (on average) may not be smarter than that... but the average Democratic PRIMARY voter *IS* smarter than the average overall voter.

(when you take Republican voters out of the mix, the average IQ of the electorate goes up).

[Lucky 13]

1. I think the same thing. People ain't buying it.

Stupid stupid move. Insulting to everyone's intelligence really.

[AllentownJake]

2. Actually she gave John McCain

A gift for the debates cause he can talk about how she supported his position and he didn't than he can call him out of touch and an elitist.

[Skittles]

3. it's a bandaid for a gushing wound

f***ing silliness but it's something that immediately appeals to the more ignorant among us

[scheming daemons]

5. "the more ignorant among us" are already Republicans.......

...

[Skittles]

6. there's plenty of ignorance all aroud, judging from DU lately n/t

[Pirate Smile]

7. I was always dismayed at Bush's appeal to low information voters and now I watch Hillary do the same

thing - I have the same response. :wow:

[Skittles]

11. it's called POLITICS

pandering to the ignorant is a huge part of politics and EVERY POLITICIAN DOES IT.

[QC]

16. Thanks for saying it! With all the fainting and pearl-clutching that goes on around here

you would think many of these people had never experienced a campaign before.

[scheming daemons]

19. And that's why our leaders end up being the SAME OLD SAME OLD every time.....

...until you dare to vote for somebody who DOESN'T fit that mold, we'll keep getting the same caliber of leadership in Washington.


Hillary is showing that she's really no different than Bush.


The sad part is that you Clinton supporters are ok with that.

[QC]

23. I'm not a Clinton supporter.

Why do you assume that anyone who doesn't think your candidate is the Messiah must be in Hillary's back pocket? (FWIW, I cast my meaningless vote for Edwards and will vote for whichever corporate flunky ends up on the ballot.)

Let's get real: neither one of these candidates is a genuine progressive. The way people rip each other to shreds over them is absurd--you might as well be engaging in knife fights over onion rings vs. fries.

[Skittles]

33. THEY ALWAYS assume that

it's yet another example of the black and white (pardon the pun) simplistic thinking this campaign has exposed :o

[QC]

34. Yep. One is either with them or against them, it seems. n/t

[Skittles]

24. just illogical, extreme stupidity all the way around

it is BEYOND PATHETIC

[QC]

27. I think they enjoy the melodrama of it all!

So many opportunities to get all outraged! And indignant! And to preen and pose and declare one's superiority to the great unwashed masses!

[Skittles]

31. that is EXACTLY how it comes off to me

add in all the endless circle-jerking and I swear we have a bunch of pre-teen cliques on this board :o

[QC]

36. Well, everybody said that Obama would bring us the youth.

They just didn't tell us that the youth in question would all be thirteen.

[Skittles]

37. well I did mean pre-teen in the clique sort of way

the juvenile supporters seem be in a WIDE AGE RANGE :(

[QC]

39. One of them just made a crack at OMC about his wife dying.

It's the worst thing I have ever seen at DU, and I have been here for seven years now. Absolutely appalling, but all too typical of what this place has become.

[Skittles]

40. WTF!!!!!!!!

:puke:

[grantcart]

4. I agree she is preparing an exit

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5824007&mesg_id=5832646

[Andy823]

8. Yes, she made a big mistake

But just one of many that shows how far off she is from the "reality" of this country. She could not possibly believe that her plan ever had a chance of making it through congress, and her team even admit that it was just "good politics", and they really didn't think it would really happen!

All this has done is showed that once again she will "lie" to get votes, and pander to those she feels won't take the time to really check out her false promises!

Everyone in this country should know by now, after almost 8 years of Bush, that he would veto any bill that tried to tax his buddies in the big oil companies! I just can't believe that anyone would buy her BS on her gas tax holiday, paid for by big oil company windfall taxes!

[Cha]

20. She's not throwing her lot in with Experts...she's

throwing her lot in with bil o'lielly.

Here she is on o'liely's with The Young Turk's commentary..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x128051

[Andy823]

25. Here and Bill o

Do make a good team!:rofl:

[Cha]

28. Don't they!!! bil's up there all huffy and puffy just praisin'

bush to the Hilt and hilary's bobbin' her ol' neocon head up and down for all it's worth=0.

[Johnny__Motown]

9. The 'Say Anything Do Anything" accusation confirmed...... again

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

10. I think so too. she would have been better served

to either have kept the discussion on Wright, or proposed something more realistic.

Both changing the subject, and changing it to something so transparent was a huge mistake.

[VolcanoJen]

12. Watching that voter on the Stephanopolous show confirmed it for me

"I make $25,000 a year, and I feel pandered to."

I couldn't agree with her more.

[Redbear]

13. No one ever went broke betting on the ignorance of the American voter

or something like that.

[Skip Intro]

14. Low info voters eh? I thnk Hillary has a ticket to a sweep tomorrow.

I think most people, who aren't educated to your acceptable level, and some who have overcome their superiority complexes who are, are wondering why Hillary is offering to do something to help ease the pain at the pump right now, and Obama is arguing that any relief, no matter how minor it may be, is a bad idea.

[scheming daemons]

17. IT WON'T EASE THE PAIN. Consumers will NEVER see a dime of it.....

It's been tried before.... and EVERY time the oil companies raised their prices to the levels they were before the tax holiday.

The only people that benefitted were the oil companies.


If you are in favor of this plan, you are in favor of the oil companies having INCREASED profit and the "little guy" getting absolutely no help at all.


But... if you think this is a great idea, please go with it.


You would think Hillary could find ONE economist SOMEWHERE to say that this is a good idea. Hell... even holocaust deniers are able to find some "expert" to back them up.


It's a HORRIBLE idea... it does the EXACT opposite of its intended effect.... and if you fall for it, your intelligence and common sense comes into serious question.

[gmudem]

22. Well you obviously are a low-information voter.

How many times do you need to read that this is a terrible idea? The only people in the world who think this is a good idea are Hillary and McCain and apparently there deluded supporters.

Once again, this tax pays for the rebuilding of roads and bridges. And oil companies will raise the price anyway, so instead of that money going to pay for roads, and to give jobs to the people who WORK on roads and bridges, it will just increase the profit for oil companies while screwing American drivers and workers. Also it will harm the environment further and does nothing at all to solve the problem of oil dependence, in fact it would exacerbate the problem.

[Skip Intro]

32. Hope strikes again. Insults you can believe in.

Actually, if Hillary says she'll get the oil companies to pay for it, I believe her. I trust her with impementing Universal health care, why woudln't I trust her to do what she says she'll do here?

[gmudem]

38. And with what magic wand will that happen?

You think the Queen of the Establishment is going to get the oil companies to pay billions of dollars in taxes usually paid by people? And how dare you call Obama supporters naive when you are putting blind trust in her?

The reason you shouldn't trust her is because she is a habitual, proven liar. Every economist on the planet thinks this is a terrible idea. Republicans and Democrats in Congress are opposed to it. This is never going to happen and she knows it, and is just trying to score cheap political points and get a few votes in Indiana.

Find me a single credible individual who thinks this is a good idea, I double dare you.

[my3boyz]

43. Hmmmmmmm...maybe because she lies every times he opens her mouth. Duh! nt

[TheDonkey]

15. She exposed her pandering underbelly in desperation to prop up this "hometown gal populist" image

blew her load too soon and now Obama is coming in to clean her act up.

[kwenu]

18. No. That was your brain telling you that. Your gut is telling you that she is too arrogant to

admit it was a dumb idea.

[Shine]

21. It's funny you should say that cuz I was thinking the very same thing

:thumbsup:

played right into Obama's hands, as well, by stating she doesn't give much credibility to the economists.

:eyes: unreal.

[Tatiana]

26. The gas tax holiday is a killer issue for Indiana voters.

Don't know how this is playing in other areas, but Republicans, Democrats and Independents feel that the gas tax is pandering.

What makes it so easy to discern is that we, in neighboring Illinois, had a gas tax break. The oil and gas companies temporarily lowered the prices and then jacked them up again.

We didn't see any savings.

It doesn't work.

[graycem]

29. That's one thing

that really frustrates me about her. She's so freaking condescending and patroninizing to ADULTS, when she says he's "elitist" like she doesn't believe they're smart enough to understand what he, and 200! economists are saying. When she tells them this LIE, she's saying that she believes they're gullible enough to fall for this crap.

[TexanDem]

30. Her "oblivion" remark ain't hurting, either.

[Tribetime]

35. Scarborough and Gregory still take voters for fools

Thinking people are shallow enough to be swayed by 18 cents a gallon. I know when I heard this, my first thought was that it could go up 18 cents in a couple days. If your going to give a break it's going to havre to be a lot more than that.....18 cents won't do anything.

[K8-EEE]

41. Obvious pandering and buy-a-vote strategy

Really, she jumped the shark with this.

[barack the house]

42. Always nice to get presents.

[my3boyz]

44. But Joe Scarborough and Harold Ford Jr said it would work!

:puke:

[psychopomp]

45. She gave Sen. Obama quite an opening and he played it well

[ecdab]

46. It's a short term pander. Her problem is that the Super Delegates know

what a crappy policy it is. She may win over a few voters that are thinking short term as well, but this is costing her Super D's.

[Vinca]

47. The "obliterate" comment was a gift as well.

Just what people want . . . more war.

[GoldieAZ49]

48. it is gas

it shows Obama is not interested in short term help for the people while working on a long term solution