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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:56 PM
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Zogby: Obama Expands Lead in N.C.; Indiana a Toss-up (Monday results)
NC 51-37 Obama
Indiana 45-43 Obama

http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/zogby_poll_indiana/2008/05/05/93664.html

On the strength of good polling numbers on the final day before the primary elections in Indiana and North Carolina, Barack Obama of Illinois holds a convincing lead in North Carolina, but the race is simply too close to call in Indiana, the latest Zogby two-day telephone tracking poll shows.

The pair of surveys of the Democratic presidential contests shows Obama with a significant 14-point lead in North Carolina, winning 51% support to Hillary Clinton’s 37%. Another 12% said they were either favoring someone else or were as yet undecided. In Indiana, the race is clear as mud, as Obama holds a statistically insignificant lead of two points, winning 45% support to Clinton’s 43% support, with 12% either undecided or favoring someone else.

The electorates in both states are divided significantly along racial lines, income, and age, the telephone survey shows.

The telephone surveys, conducted May 4-5, 2008, are the final of Zogby’s two-day daily tracking surveys. In North Carolina, 643 likely Democratic primary election voters were polled. In Indiana, 644 likely voting Democratic primary voters were surveyed. Both surveys carry a margin of error of +/- 3.9 percentage points.

The telephone surveys were conducted using live operators working out of Zogby’s call center in Upstate New York.








In North Carolina, Obama wins 79% support among African Americans, compared with 11% for Clinton, the junior senator from New York. But while Clinton wins among whites, 52% to 37%, Obama’s advantage among African Americans more than counteracts her advantage among those white voters. The African American vote in the North Carolina primary is expected to be about 32%.

Early voting in North Carolina began April 17th, and Obama has done well among the 30 percent in the survey who said they had already cast ballots. Among those voters, he leads Clinton by a 57% to 34% margin. Many of those ballots may have been cast before last week’s controversy over Obama’s former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright.

Geographically, Obama made inroads into what had been Clinton territory in western and eastern North Carolina, while Clinton closed to within three points in Charlotte. In the southeast corner of the state, Clinton held a 12 point lead.

Obama dominated among men, leading 56% to 34%, and among women, where he won 47% support to Clinton’s 40% – largely on the strength of Obama’s support among African American women. Obama also led among younger voters in the state, while Clinton enjoyed leads among older voters. Among a key age demographic group – those age 35 to 54 – Obama leads by 58% to 29% margin. This group is important because it tends to simultaneously bear many of the burdens facing American citizens, including economic, health care, and educational issues involved with raising children, planning for retirement, and dealing with problems posed by aging parents.


In Indiana, the race is all tied up among women who plan to vote in the Democratic presidential primary – at 44% each, while Obama holds a five-point lead over Clinton among men – 47% to 42%.

The overall Obama advantage in Indiana – though statistically insignificant – comes after another strong day of polling Monday. The one-day total, which comprises about half of the two-day tracking poll sample, saw Obama winning 47% support to Clinton’s 41%. Monday’s polling results are combined with Sunday’s numbers to produce the two-day tracking poll.

Among Indiana Catholics, Obama holds a three-point lead, while Clinton holds a similarly small edge among Protestants.

Clinton leads among white voters, 48% to 40%, with 12% left unsure
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 10:59 PM
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1. That's quite a jump in NC --
he's been holding like a 4 point lead for a couple of days. So I'm not too confident of these numbers (although I hope they're accurate!)

And it's nice to see him leading in IN, which he hasn't been.

Thanks for posting!
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:02 PM
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9. actually, according to Zogby, his lead has been 8 points for a couple days
But still a big jump.
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:05 PM
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18. He must have polled about 60-32 yesterday in NC to get these #s although I notice he has the people
who have already voted (about 30%) with Obama winning by 23% and yet he says Obama is going to win by 14%. I guess that means he is saying the people who will vote tomorrow are closer. Maybe 10 Obama lead?
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:08 PM
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26. He would have needed to poll around 54-34 yesterday
Yesterday he was up 48-40, today hes up 51-37.
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:16 PM
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40. But he polled only about 42% Sunday (he had polled about 54% Saturday to bring his number up then
Edited on Mon May-05-08 11:17 PM by jezebel
He polled low (about 42%) Friday night to drop him from the 50 to 46%. So on Saturday he polled well (about 54%) to bring him back to a total of 48%. Sundays number was bad (42ish to keep him at 48) So Monday must have been close to 60 to roll him up that much.
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:35 AM
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69. I like Zogby's one day total yesterday in Indiana, as well. Obama winning 47% to Clinton's 41%.
In Indiana, the race is all tied up among women who plan to vote in the Democratic presidential primary – at 44% each, while Obama holds a five-point lead over Clinton among men – 47% to 42%.

The overall Obama advantage in Indiana – though statistically insignificant – comes after another strong day of polling Monday. The one-day total, which comprises about half of the two-day tracking poll sample, saw Obama winning 47% support to Clinton’s 41%. Monday’s polling results are combined with Sunday’s numbers to produce the two-day tracking poll.

Among Indiana Catholics, Obama holds a three-point lead, while Clinton holds a similarly small edge among Protestants.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:00 PM
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2. Just another dagger into the integrity of Zogby's polling.
Edited on Mon May-05-08 11:00 PM by NJSecularist
He is a hack.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:01 PM
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6. were you complaning when he was right in PA?
he was the most accurate,
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:02 PM
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11. He got PA exactly right..... remember?
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:03 PM
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14. What, no "woo-hoo" emoticons this time?
Go Hilllllllllaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:04 PM
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17. Zogby is one of the most respected names in U.S. presidential polling.
But now he is a hack because you don't like his poll?
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musicblind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:10 PM
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32. No Zogby has had issues with his polls all season. I don't really know what is up with it though
I assume that's what the previous poster was talking about. Suvery USA has been pretty on it though. Insider Advantage which has favored Hillary recently also has a horrible track record, so I'm not just saying that because Zogby has a poll out that looks good for Obama. Zogby has seriously damaged himself this entire season. There have previously been threads about this on DU, especially after Super Tuesday. Do a search if you don't believe me.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:11 PM
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36. not true - he had some that were way off and he has had others where he was the best
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:13 PM
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38. The women vote in Indiana looks off
With AA's only 10-15% of the primary electorate in Indiana, I find it hard to believe that they are tied among women. She usually wins the women vote by at least 10% except in the Deep South. So I think that's why this poll is at odds with some of the other Indiana polls.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:19 PM
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46. You are right - Kerry wins 322 electoral states and the election!!
:sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm: :sarcasm:

He has been terrible ever since he botched up his 2004 presidential election results. His primary polls this year have been terribly unreliable. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:11 AM
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67. The fact that he is wrong sometimes doesn't make him a hack.
Pollsters are going to be wrong sometimes, particularly in electoral votes in a close election Get one or two close states wrong and it can make the difference between calling the right winner or getting it wrong. That's what happened in 2004. Also we tend to ignore the MOE on these polls. We shouldn't. The MOE can spell the difference between a candidate barely winning to losing by 8 points.
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:00 PM
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3. thanks for posting this, now I can go to bed n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:00 PM
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4. Obama leads in
Catholics? Thanks, bookworm..come on Indiana and North Carolina..show the world you're not low information voters.

And that would mean you look beyond m$$$fm.
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Frank Booth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:25 PM
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54. That's why I wouldn't give the Indiana numbers much credence. I can't see him winning IN Catholics.
It looks like Obama has room to pick up more A-A votes in NC though (only at 79% in this poll), so he should do well there.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 08:29 AM
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68. Obama won Catholics in Louisiana, Missouri, Georgia, and Virginia -
and they split that vote in Maryland and Wisconsin. Also, Lutherans (which are closer to Catholics than other Protestants) have gone big for Obama. I don't know that he has such a Catholic problem. Clinton does better among Catholics, partly because she's done better among Hispanics, but I seriously doubt Obama would have trouble in the GE among Catholics against McCain. (Not that you said he would.) His so-called Catholic problem is bunk, imo.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:01 PM
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5. Interesting..."Among Indiana Catholics, Obama holds a three-point lead"
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:01 PM
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7. Please please please let Zogby be right this time. He even has Obama winning the day today in Ind
47-41. The only thing I don't like is the very high level of undecideds in the polls. They always seem to swing in large measure to Hillary. But that is a very nice cushion in NC for Obama even if he loses some of the undecideds.
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:04 PM
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15. He has been wrong spectacularly this season, but also right on several ocassions
such as in Missouri (SUSA gave Hill a double digit lead and Zogby had it right), Texas, and two weeks ago in PA his final poll gave Hill 10-pt lead (compared to 6-pt with Survey USA).
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gabeana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:04 PM
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16. I don't think the Gas Tax is good for Hillary
it seems that the overall mood is that it is pandering plus it took wright for the most part out of the news cycles
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:05 PM
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21. There seems to be some late breaking momentum on his side...
I personally think it's this gas tax thing.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:43 PM
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62. They seem to swing in large
measure to hilary 'cause she always has some 11th hour slimey lies permeating the air waves.

I'm hoping the livs don't win this time.
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Dbdmjs1022 Donating Member (369 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:02 PM
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8. Here's hoping he keeps up his recently good record! GOBama!
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:02 PM
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10. A big win in N.C. alone should move many Supers n/t
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:09 PM
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29. I agree. At this pt I don't even care abt Indiana..he must keep NC. Not because of the math
but because it will be perceived that she flipped one of "his" states.
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jezebel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:19 PM
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45. Yep, the talking heads were telegraphing this today. Obama just needs to keep NC. nt
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Tribetime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:28 PM
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56. not to mention the "big" state argument is busted
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:02 PM
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12. 538-Blog concurs with Obama in double-digits in NC
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:08 PM
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28. I've never seen that before, that's interesting.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:11 PM
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35. It's a super-cool blog
Best widgets ever!!!!! :-)
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:03 PM
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13. His diving gear is getting a real work-out, isn't it?
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malik flavors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:05 PM
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19. Crazy, Zogby's had Obama leading in Indiana every night.
Edited on Mon May-05-08 11:10 PM by malik flavors
He'll really be showing everybody up if their polls are correct.

The Zogby tracker will be a poll we rely on if he nails this.
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4_Legs_Good Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:05 PM
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20. Oh please be right for once Zogby!
Please please please!!!

I'll even forgive you a bit for many, many past screw ups!

David
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my3boyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:11 PM
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34. I know. I want to trust him but can't after CA. I just hope he is right abt Obama
at least winning NC. I don't care if the margin is that big (though it would be nice) but I want him to have strong showing. Indiana would be a nice bonus but I would be happy with NC.
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:12 PM
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37. Operation Chaos will blow Zogby's poll
Not by much. I predict a Clinton win, but more narrow than many expect. :-)
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:05 PM
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22. Beautiful. Obama up in IN today - 47% / 41%.
12% undecided sounds high at this point. Provided Zogby is on target, even if Hillary grabs 2/3 of those, it'll be a good day tomorrow.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:05 PM
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23. Tied among women in Indiana?
That does not sound right. That must be why this poll looks better for Obama than the other Indiana polls. I'd love it if Zogby were right, and they might be on North Carolina. But I think they are off in Indiana, though I'd love to be wrong.
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MattNC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:08 PM
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27. I know
I just don't buy his numbers in Indiana. He doesn't press undecided voters like SUSA...but still. I'll be content if he keeps it under five.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:06 PM
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24. Obama will win NC big because of early voting
Edited on Mon May-05-08 11:08 PM by thewiseguy
He holds a huge lead among those who have already voted. I think Obama can easily carry NC by at least 15 points.

I am not sure what is happening in Indiana. It all depends on how good he does with the republican and Independent vote there.

Most polls have him split the republican vote with Hillary while others have him leading her by 20+ points amongst republicans. I am not sure how he does in Zogby's polls.

The sure thing is that he has rebounded in almost all Indiana polls and early voting there seemed to be strong in his counties. So it could be an interesting race in Indiana tomorrow. :)
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lwcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:07 PM
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25. Zogby's been HRC's good luck charm!
Oh, and thanks for the link to winger site newsmax!

___

The Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy, now at my new home: Correntewire.com
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:09 PM
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31. Zogby is the only major polling outfit to get 2000 and 2004 almost exactly right....
....and he got PA right two weeks ago.


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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:22 PM
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48. He screwed the pooch on PA. He had a MoE of 4.1% with a Clinton "lead" of 4%
Edited on Mon May-05-08 11:23 PM by Hoof Hearted
He sucks.

Zogby is the third fish from the Wright.



typo
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:23 PM
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50. Uh... no... his final poll in PA had Hillary by 10%......
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:24 PM
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53. Not according to HIS WEBSITE.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:28 PM
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57. I remember being critical of Zogby for giving Hillary a 10 point lead!
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:35 PM
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60. do you check your facts or make this stuff up? (from his site)
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1487

UTICA, New York – New York's Hillary Clinton continued to pull away from rival Barack Obama of Illinois as the campaigning in Pennsylvania ended and voters prepared to cast ballots today, the latest Newsmax/Zogby daily telephone tracking poll shows.

She now leads Obama, 51% to 41%, having gained three points over the past 24 hours as Obama lost one point, pushing her beyond the poll's margin of error to create a statistically significant lead for the first time in the Pennsylvania daily tracking poll.

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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:30 PM
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59. What? Zogby's final poll had Hillary up by 10
Pollster Dates N/Pop Clinton Obama Undecided
InsiderAdvantage 4/21/08 712 LV 49 42 9
Zogby/Newsmax 4/20-21/08 675 LV 51 41 6
ARG 4/20-21/08 600 LV 56 40 3
Rasmussen 4/20/08 722 LV 49 44 7
InsiderAdvantage 4/20/08 747 LV 49 39 12
Suffolk 4/19-20/08 600 LV 52 42 6
PPP (D) 4/19-20/08 2338 LV 46 49 5
Strategic Vision (R) 4/18-20/08 LV 48 41 11
Quinnipiac 4/18-20/08 1027 LV 51 44 4
SurveyUSA 4/18-20/08 710 LV 50 44 2



http://www.pollster.com/08-PA-Dem-Pres-Primary.php
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:13 PM
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39. hey, that is where they linked it, so too bad, too sad.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:09 PM
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30. Let us all Pray...
for John Zogby, and that he finally gets it right for sure and is the hero of all those who love Obama.
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writes3000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:11 PM
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33. That he gets it right again.
He's gotten it right a few times this season.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:16 PM
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41. He got Nevada and PA right
But I just hope this isnt CA all over again where late undecideds move to him, when that doesnt actually happen
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:18 PM
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43. I'm hoping this is like Missouri where I think he was one of the few right
even Survey USA was way off.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:18 PM
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44. California = early voting
Same thing will happen in NC tomorrow. Obama will outperform polls there because of early voting.

He holds a 20+ point lead among those early voters. (30% of voters)
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:22 PM
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49. That is the difference between this and CA, Obama leads in early voting.
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thewiseguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:23 PM
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51. SUSA was suggesting that Obama trails by 20 points in early voting in Indiana
Edited on Mon May-05-08 11:24 PM by thewiseguy
I thought that was bullshit. Given the news report that suggested the contrary. They also severely underestimated the early voting numbers there. According to them the figure was 3%!
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Hoof Hearted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:24 PM
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52. He screwed the pooch on PA. He had a MOE of 4.1% with a Clinton "lead" of 4%
Not even close.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:26 PM
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55. He gave Clinton a lead of 51-41...What the hell are you talking about?
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:37 PM
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61. you keep spreading this lie even though several people have pointed out the truth to you
about Zogby's PA poll. Why is that? Here it is again:

UTICA, New York – New York's Hillary Clinton continued to pull away from rival Barack Obama of Illinois as the campaigning in Pennsylvania ended and voters prepared to cast ballots today, the latest Newsmax/Zogby daily telephone tracking poll shows.

She now leads Obama, 51% to 41%, having gained three points over the past 24 hours as Obama lost one point, pushing her beyond the poll's margin of error to create a statistically significant lead for the first time in the Pennsylvania daily tracking poll.

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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:17 PM
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42. fingers crossed.....
:kick:
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:19 PM
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47. I think the gas tax holiday changed the debate from Rev. Wright to pandering
and it has helped Obama especially in Indiana.
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ChimpersMcSmirkers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-05-08 11:29 PM
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58. I think your right.
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Robbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:31 AM
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64. Zogby
Don't totally Ignore Zogby.He was the only pollster who sensed a shift to Hillary In NH(even though
he still had Obama winning) was right on IOWA.Nailed It on Nevada.had Obama with the biggest lead In
SC.Was close to final totals with Obama's wins In Georgia and alambama.Got Missouri right.Was the only pollster who got the Texas Primary right.And nailed PA.His SC numbers are not hard to believe.
With Indiana this Is not a huge lead.Just 2 points.If you Ignore Survey USA other polls have It close(although not as clsoe as he does) while I still remain a bit skeptical Obama can win Indiana let's
not totally call this BS.He used telephones for this poll and not online.
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Scurrilous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:24 AM
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63. K & R
:thumbsup:
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Zachstar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 12:43 AM
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65. A small Clinton win is fine because she will pick up VERY few delegates.
She HAS to win 70-30 at this point and take serious delegate rich areas for her to START to catch up to Obama's lead.

And Obama winning NC so high will means he will nullify all gains she has made with Indiana and PA.

After these two states there is but 217 pledged delegates left so that means the amount she needs to get per state will be so high that Obama would have to stop campaigning for her to have ANY kind of chance.


So this is VERY VERY VERY good news!
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-06-08 07:39 AM
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66. true
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