It all ends today...

[MessiahRp]

When Obama wins North Carolina AND Indiana today finally the Bush and Clinton dynasties will end and go away (hopefully forever)!

We can as a party come together and take out the real enemy John McCain. We can start to really focus on our singular Presidential candidate and start putting more time and effort into lower ticket Democratic races. We can get rid of all of the right wing influence Clinton and her campaign staff has used to try to tear one of our own down.

It will be a glorious day indeed. He will win NC and then eek out Indiana (if the IN Sec. of State didn't screw that up for us). The Superdelegates will know there is no path to victory like Hillary herself should have realized weeks ago.

She can stay in it and destroy her legacy and party standing further or do the right thing and step out and endorse Obama. Either way it will be over and hopefully this will be the deathknell of the DLC along with it.

Good riddance.

Onto tomorrow and the change our country needs!

GOBAMA!

Rp

[Indydem]

1. Keep dreaming...

Clinton will win Indiana comfortably and make NC competitive.

[MessiahRp]

2. If only it were a dream...

Although in reality when the two candidates spend time in a state campaigning it always works one way. Hillary who had name recognition and the built in lead loses support, Obama gains support.

It almost never works the other way. So the only way she makes it competitive in NC is if her illegal third party robocalling vote disenfranchisement scheme works. On the flip side he has made IN competitive enough to win today.

That proves her staying power.

Rp

[Ian_rd]

30. yup

When the candidates are not personally in the state, the people there get only the MSM's anti-Obama "Scary black preacher! EEEK!" campaign. But when the man shows up, he earns the votes away from the bullshitters.

[Texas Hill Country]

3. yup

[lapfog_1]

4. And that does WHAT for Hillary?

Does it close the pledged delegate gap?

Even if Obama were to lose both IN and NC by 10 points, he still enters Denver with more pledged delegates. And if the Super-D's overturn that decision... it will destroy the Democratic party for years and years... and I think they know it.

[Indydem]

5. Unless MI and FL are seated like they should be! n/t

[Colobo]

8. They won't be. They violated the rules of our party.

[Indydem]

10. Thats the dumbest thing ever.

We are the party of voters rights and protecting the enfrachisement of voters! This is disenfranchising on the scale of 2 massive Democratic states and their votes because of party leaders!

Assinine.

[Goblinmonger]

12. Disenfranchisement?

there is no right to vote in a primary. The primary is a party ballot. Why aren't you bitching about super-delegates? They could overturn the primaries. If you get your way, Obama will have won the most votes as well as the most pledged delegates, but the super-delegates will overturn that. Will you be screaming disenfranchisement then?

[Indydem]

15. Voters expect to have the votes they cast counted.

I call it disenfranchisement, you can call it disillusionment, disconnect, or just plain fed up with party politics. But the bottom line is that if you deny the delegates from Florida and Michigan a seat at the table in Denver, the Democratic voters of those states are not going to be pleased, particularly if Obama gets the nomination and their votes were not counted. Many of those voters will stay home in November and there will be a price to pay for that.

As for Super Delegates, that was an action put into place by our party because after 1980 they couldn't "trust" we the voters to make a coherent decision on our nominee. Take that for what you will, but thats the way the system is set up, not a BS policy to protect IA, NH, and SC having the first primaries.

If there were no SDs, then we'd be stuck with 2 candidates who aren't to the threshold, and there would have to be a brokered convention. OR, the threshold needed to gain the nomination would be lower and Obama would be the nominee.

BUT HE ISN'T, and the purpose of the SDs is to pick a nominee who can win. Obama has not carried (in the primaries) OH, TX, NY, CA, FL, MI, or PA. Statesa that the nominee NEEDS to carry in November to win.

His elitist attitude is going to get us slaughtered among blue collar workers, and I for one will not be responsible for our wholesale slaughter by McSame because we picked an elitist snob who is completely out of touch with common men and women in our party's base.

[DAGDA56]

24. I'm a Florida voter...I didn't expect my Obama vote to count...I was

just doing it for the Property Tax bill...I'm OK with that. Please don't speak for me. Hope you're voting today, since you have the opportunity.

[HughBeaumont]

27. Aaaaaand, a pro-free-trade, pro job-offshoring former first lady named Clinton . . . IS in touch?

Gimme summa that shit your smoking, so I can sell it on E. 9th.

[Goblinmonger]

31. You don't even see your competing arguments do you?

About Florida and Michigan you are pissed off because people's votes won't count.
About superdelegates, you just shrug your shoulders and say it is something "put into place by our party."

Guess what, not counting Florida and Michigan was something that was put into place by the party. they made it clear they wouldn't count the votes if they went early. Those two states decided they didn't care.

I am sick of the "we need these states" states arguments. Do you think there is a chance in hell that CA will go to the republicans? Do you think there is a chance in hell Texas will go to the democrats? Give me a break. The only argument you have is about OH and FL. And Obama is KILLING Clinton in the metro areas of those states. Guess which way the country (the part Clinton won) is going to go? It ain't the Dems.

And if you really think anyone out there is fooled into believing that CLinton is not an elite and just one of us, you need to seek professional help. The way she sipped that shot of whiskey was embarrassing.

[yodermon]

21. Lots of MI &FL voters stayed Home on election day

because they knew that their states had violated the rules, plus the candidates did not campaign in those states.
Who will speak for them?

[corkhead]

33. I am from Michigan and you are in no position to speak for me regarding "enfrachisement"

you spell like a troll, but I am not accusing you of being one... that I know of.

[MessiahRp]

11. Yes because MI & FL would overturn all of the other results thusfar.

Even if Hillary were allowed to cheat and get all of the MI delegates, she would not gain the delegate lead and win this thing. This is a pointless, weak argument to make when you know your candidate has been beaten.

She knew the rules and opted to try to change them once the game had begun and she was clearly going to lose.

Rp

[Goblinmonger]

14. Exactly

I can't believe Hilary is making this look like the votes were going to count going in and now people have been blindsided. They knew the rules, decided to break them, and don't want to live with the consequences.

[Dawgs]

13. No!! The SD's would vote for Obama even more if MI and FL are included.

You're not to bright, are you?

[K8-EEE]

23. you mean unless they overturn all the rules that were agreed to

Come on his name wasn't on the ballot in MI, that's crazy.

[casus belli]

7. As a fellow Hoosier...I completely totally disagree. n/t

[Guaranteed]

6. Obama doesn't even need to win both. All he needs to do is

increase his pledged delegate lead- get more delegates than Clinton- and that should be more than enough to signal that yes, it's over, and has been for awhile.

[MessiahRp]

9. True, although I have a good feeling he might surprise her in IN today

And although he'll obviously pick up more delegates either way, I think the media would finally be calling for her campaign to end as well.

Rp

[cliffordu]

16. Can we feed Russert to the hogs, then??

[MessiahRp]

19. I'm down with that. He's pretty useless to me. :)

Rp

[here_is_to_hope]

20. Would they eat him?

I mean, isn't that awfully close to cannibalism?

[cliffordu]

22. No sweat, just apply a little Coultersauce and they'll be on him like

Stephanopolis on doggerel.....

[progressoid]

17. From your keyboard to Hillary's ears.

[mindfulNJ]

28. dang it!

I came in here to say exactly that! Great minds think alike, I guess.:)

[nxylas]

18. I've been disappointed too many times

I'm just going to assume that Clinton will in both IN and NC, and hope to be pleasantly surprised tomorrow morning.

[kentuck]

25. Or it all begins anew?

Don't believe the polls.

[underpants]

26. No but there's the thing with the but whatabout you know some people say

If SHE gets the nomination I'm done

[Windy]

29. From your lips to God's Ears!!!! n/t

[high density]

32. Sorry, but I'm not that hopeful at all

The media is already framing this as a possible comeback moment for Hillary, even though everybody knows the math is completely in Obama's favor. The time for a comeback was February.