Honest Question For Everyone - Who would you vote for?

[Texas Hill Country]

Please think about this, step back, and be honest.

[peacebird]

1. Obama. As a write in if need be.

[newmajority]

20. Same here

I will vote for Barack Obama in November, regardless of whether Hillary Clinton steals the nomination or not.

But it isn't going to happen. The superdelegates who would be that stupid (if any) would be a very small minority.

[anonymeme]

35. Hillary. As a Write-In If Need Be.

[PoliticalAmazon]

That's my plan, too. n/t

[Stop Cornyn]

2. Aren't we going to have a third party option?

[whatchamacallit]

3. Where's the more likely Obama-Clinton option?

[Texas Hill Country]

8. not the intention of the poll... i wanna see if Obama supporters would really rather have McSame

than Hillary even if Obama was VP


I am hoping its mostly emotions and bluster

[Hepburn]

22. There is no difference between Hillary and McCain.

A vote for Hillary is a vote for McCain. What is your confusion on this issue?

:shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

79. That's just insane

[Stop Cornyn]

54. You're from Texas just like I am. How could it matter in Texas? Hillary will lose Texas by miles and

sink our entire ticket.

Obama is not that different from Hillary in ideology, but he is not as widely despised in Texas as Hillary is and he stands a slight chance of winning and will actually help down ballot.

Since Hillary cannot possibly win in Texas, why would it matter whether Texas voters vote for Hillary or some third party candidate?

I'll vote Democratic no matter who our nominee is, but I know tons of Democrats and independents who will not vote for Hillary even if her running mate is Jesus Christ risen again. She'd cost us any slim chance of a pick up in the Senate from Texas (and elsewhere, I assume), she'd cost us seats in the House (in Texas and elsewhere), she'd cost us in the Texas Legislature, etc.

[MercutioATC]

4. A "unity" ticket, especially with Clinton on top, is an abomination.

However, it would be the Dem ticket and I'll vote for the Dem in November.

[Texas Hill Country]

16. thank you for being willing to vote democrat lol

[Hepburn]

24. Voting for Hillary is NOT a Democratic vote. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

52. It cracks me up when you guys say stuff like this

considering how nearly identical Clinton and Obama are on policy. It shows a real hate-induced blindness.

[Hepburn]

53. I have NEVER been blind about Hillary....

...I fully recall her YES vote on the IWR. And your excuse for her war monger is? Oh, I know...she believed Bush would do the right thing.

Sheesh...talk about being fucking BLIND! :eyes:

[MonkeyFunk]

55. You said she's a Republican

That's just stupid. If you believe that, you have to believe Obama is a republican, too.

[Hepburn]

63. So....do us all a favor, OK?

Post a link to where:

1. Obama was the Prez of his college Repuke Club; and

2. Where is was the male version of a Goldwater Girl.

TIA...:hi:

[MonkeyFunk]

80. Who gives a fuck about 40 years ago?

I'm talking about TODAY. Their positions are virtually identical. To claim one is a great progressive and the other is a conservative is just plain blind.

[gateley]

5. I'd vote Democratic.

I'd vote Democratic even if Obama wasn't on the ticket with Hillary.

There's no way our country can survive another Republican administration.

[cjsmom44]

6. Re: Write in only

I could not in all good conscience vote for either Hillary Clinton or John McCain
I would write in Obama...

[Symarip]

7. I'm sure I'll be happy with

Whomever Obama chooses as his VP running mate.

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[Texas Hill Country]

12. are you calling me a nazi?

[bigwillq]

10. I am voting for the DEM nominee

Which ever one it is.

[LakeSamish706]

11. None of the above! n/t

[Hepburn]

13. No vote for Hillary or McCain...

...ever for any reason. They are Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee in my book. Will pass my vote or write in Obama before voting for either one of those pieces of RW shit.

JMHO

[Umbram]

14. Wow, someone needs to learn how to make a decent poll. (nt)

[Texas Hill Country]

17. it is answering a very specific question i have... if you dont like it, make your own.

[Umbram]

27. No, it probably isn't answering jack it's so poorly thought out.

Unless you are trying to make a point, justify not putting the following in your poll:

"I would vote for a third party."
"I would refuse to vote."

What information do you think you are gathering by NOT including these options?

[lumberjack_jeff]

15. I voted "a", but in fairness, the real world has a third option. n/t

[Texas Hill Country]

19. sure, but that is not my question

[lumberjack_jeff]

37. you can't measure those who don't respond to your poll

a) do you love broccoli?
b) do you love liver?

When four people choose A) and one chooses B), it seems reasonable to infer that everyone loves broccoli.

This conclusion doesn't take into account the 100 viewers who read the poll looking for a "yuck!" option.

One other observation: everyone knows that the administrators of Democratic Underground know who votes how in these polls. Providing a "ban me" button, may (and arguably should) cause people to hesitate before admitting that they'll vote for the Republican.

[Umbram]

48. Don't bother. They have a "specific" question they want answered - which is code for:

"I want some completely random data to support the conclusion I've already arrived at, without the trouble of actually worrying about any rational objective method."

[lumberjack_jeff]

58. The fundamental questions;

"Will Obama supporters vote for the nominee" and
"Will Hillary supporters vote for the nominee"

Have been asked multiple times. The answers are unambiguous.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5830451&mesg_id=5830451

I refuse to have my Democratic creds questioned by a group of people, nearly 40% of whom think 15 million Clinton supporters should change parties. If nothing else, it calls into significant question the value of the college education that is said to be the group's hallmark.

If there's a progressive divorce, it's clear who gets to keep this party.

[Umbram]

62. I think you are smart enough to see through that poll.

While that poll was *much* better drafted than this one, you must appreciate that a significant number of people vote simply to get people riled up.

In GD:P there is more sparring than advocacy. In that context, it's silly to believe that even the majority of people who vote in those polls are doing so seriously, let alone rationally.

Taking GD:P with a grain of salt, recognizing it for the sandbox it is, might not suit whatever utility one finds in working up some righteous indignation and clanish us-vs-them hostility, but I think it's nonetheless a better reflection of reality.

[lumberjack_jeff]

66. I dunno.

If you ask the question enough times, eventually one concludes that when they say "I hate your stinkin' guts and want you to become a Republican", they mean it.

[Umbram]

70. Pfft.

I've been called a cultist enough times, and probably called some Clinton supporter a Repuke enough times to be fairly sure that it's just kids at recess doing what kids do.

I've also had some great conversations/debates that were very mature and constructive.

I can't think of a single Clinton supporter that I've had words with here that I wouldn't happily grab a beer (or latte, if that would make their stereotype of me complete) with and laugh it all off.

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. Your experience is greatly different than that of the ordinary HRC supporter.

It isn't recess, it's "lord of the flies".

[Umbram]

73. It is what you want it to be.

You would have to be kidding yourself to think that there isn't a few HRC supporters on this board that have a very good time doing what they do!

I agree - if one thinks that DU:P is something to be won - a war on behalf of one's candidate and we are our candidate's champions, yes - I could see this as Lord of the Flies.

The absolute bottom line is that there are more Obama supporters here than Clinton supporters. There is no way around this. It isn't unfair, it simply is. Correspondingly, there are going to be that many more aggressive people on that side. There are going to be that many more mean posts about the other candidate. That's simply the math of it all...there's no way to even it out.

If an Obama supporter posts "Clinton is a witch" there will be X number of people calling them out on it. If a Clinton supporter posts "Obama is an affirmative action candidate" there will be 3X people calling them out on it.

Likewise, there will be MORE negative posts about Clinton, clinton supporters, etc. It is just the math and no reflection on the supporters on each side.

Clinton supporters that wonder why this is happening and are getting their feelings hurt just need to realize that GD:P is NOT a reflection of the real world.

[Melinda]

18. None of the above. n/t.

[blm]

21. YOU want honesty? Ok - It AIN'T HAPPENING and it is STUPID to pretend it will.

There. Honest as always.

[jojo54]

23. Whoever the Dem nominee is.

It's not that I'm being blind, I support the DEMOCRATIC party.

I would never, never vote for a Repuke, unless the insanity, corruption, and/or stupidity of the Dem nominee smacked me right in the face. Then, I may do something that I never did since being eligible - not vote in a presidential election.

[beezlebum]

25. neither. but here's my honest answer to a dishonest question:

i will never vote for clinton/_______- not with obama. not with kucinich. not with biden or edwards.

i will vote for a dem, and imo, she is not one. i'd write-in obama. and i don't care who it pisses off. and no, it's not about my conscience, it's about the fact that she is not a dem simply because she says she is.

and this poll is unfair in the respect that mccain and clinton wouldn't be the only options. you're basically saying "if you don't vote for clinton, you're voting for mccain."

btw, how many times is this loaded question/poll going to be presented today?

[jordi_fanclub]

26. Isn't an "Honest Question For Everyone"... BTW, it's a DISHONEST question!

Since you use the "Everyone" in the same sentence.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

28. Neither.

[last1standing]

29. It depends on how Hillary gets the top position.

While I may hate the idea of SDs overturning the will of the people I'd still vote for Hillary regardless of VP because we need the supreme court back. However, if she gets there by disenfranchising my vote by getting Michigan delegates seated without a large number being apportioned to Obama then I can't vote for her whether Obama is on the ticket or not.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If my voice is silenced through dirty, backroom dealing then I'm through with the entire Democratic party. I will move third party and stay there. We all have a threshold for corruption and this is mine.

And yes, I will work my ass off to move as many Democrats away from the party as possible.

[Lyric]

33. They can't proportion delegates to Obama because

he wasn't on the Michigan ticket. They at least have some idea of how many people supported Hillary specifically, but the "Uncommitted" option encompassed Obama, Edwards, and other Dem candidate voters--people who might not support Obama now. Simply handing their votes to Obama would be ethically wrong.

They either need to hold a new Michigan/Florida primary, or else refuse to seat those delegations until the second round of convention voting.

[last1standing]

40. I'm good with either of those, but don't try to give my vote to Hillary.

It was power grubbing local pols led by Debbie Dingell who caused this problem, aided by a weak governor and a pliant Dem party. THEY need to fix this problem, not the rest of the country.

It sickens me that these idiots have made this state a laughing stock. It's bad enough that the repubs have raped it of all its resources, did we really need to look like bigger fools?

[Lyric]

47. I don't blame you. If I were you, I'd be spitting nails at my state Dem party.

They really screwed you guys over and made this entire primary season a LOT worse than it had to be.

I support Hillary, but more importantly, I support *fairness* and following the rules, and seating MI/FL delegates without either holding a new primary or leaving them out unless/until the convention goes into "brokered" mode would be flat-out wrong.

[last1standing]

49. I appreciate that. Personally, I support Bart Stupak's proposal to split it 55-45.

I don't mind Hillary taking the majority of delegates, I just refuse to vote for a party that gives her ALL of the delegates. The latest trick these power grubbers are pulling is to appoint pro-Hillary delegates for the "uncommitted" slots when they know that every person who voted uncommitted was voting explicitly against her.

I'll forgive a lot when it comes to politics but when it goes this far then I know I can no longer trust them to look after my interests in anything.

[Texas Hill Country]

42. he withdrew his name voluntarily

[Milo_Bloom]

30. None of the above. 3rd Party.

[elocs]

31. Sorry, I don't do polls. Most are just a useless waste of time with limited options.

Some are useful wastes of time and some are amusing wastes of time. Too many are just chutes to herd the sheep in the desired direction.

[Umbram]

32. This one is especially bad/useless. (nt)

[Texas Hill Country]

36. as i have said many times, it answers a specific question I was wondering about.

[beezlebum]

39. "as i have said many times, it answers a specific (LOADED) question i was wondering about."

corrected.

[Greyskye]

34. I'll vote for the Dem

But your scenario will never happen. Never.

[redqueen]

38. I'd only vote for down-ticket candidates. (nt)

[CTD]

41. Doesn't matter as it won't happen.

And I will not vote for Hillary. Period.

I currently respect and admire Obama. If he was willing to take a Veep role out of political expediency, my respect for him would evaporate.

I wouldn't stay home as I understand the importance of voting the rest of the ballot. But I would likely not cast a vote for president.

[rainy]

43. i'd write in Al Gore. nt

[Aloha Spirit]

44. Hi Texas Hill Country, I appreciate your efforts to gauge party unity, but primary day is probably

not the best day to be asking?
People are riled up!

[Texas Hill Country]

46. it is better than I hoped so far honestly.

[PoliticalAmazon]

45. Only two options doesn't reflect what many Dem voters plan to do. n/t

[FloridaJudy]

50. The Democrat. eom

[MonkeyFunk]

51. Clinton/Obama!

I think that's the best possible ticket!

[spanone]

56. there are seven responders who are not democrats

[not_too_L8]

57. I'll stick with the Dem ticket!!!!

[Tesha]

59. Other. Vote farther left or write-in a real Democrat.

And if your question had really been honest, you
wouldhave allowed for"other" alternatives since
they do exist in the real world.

Tesha

[Khaotic]

60. I won't vote for Hillary now

She's damaged goods and has sunk herself.

I would hope that Obama would decline being her VP.

If she goes nuclear and steals the nomination I'm voting for former Democratic Congresswoman McKinney (Green Party) for President.

[WA98296]

61. Neither, I don't help to elect republicans

[dogday]

64. 9 Idiots will vote for 100 years more war... What in hell are they

doing here I wonder???

[Lady-Damai]

65. I don't like this poll. I WANT OBAMA/EDWARDS TICKET!!!!

[democrattotheend]

67. Clinton/Obama ticket, hands down

And even though I am an Obama supporter I think that might be a good idea, especially if Obama can't regain his mojo and limps across the finish line in a weakened position.

[DearAbby]

68. Write in Obama

[Jennicut]

69. Hillary over McCain. No Re thug is getting my stinkin vote.

[DangerousRhythm]

72. A, but I can't say I'd be happy about it.

Not one damned bit.

[ihelpu2see]

74. Nadar, Nadar Nadar! If Obama is cheated out of the nominee...

[jonnyblitz]

75. the people who voted for McCain must not realize the admins

can see who voted how on these polls and people have been tombstoned for voting "wrong".

[IronLionZion]

76. Who voted for McCain?

You bastards will lose badly. The political landscape is shifting hard left in this country and you are not ready for it.

[Greyskye]

82. I'd be willing to put money down that it wasn't Obama supporters

But only the mods know for sure...

[graycem]

77. I think there's one small problem..

Obama has more delegates, he should get the top of the ticket. But there's no way I would ever vote McCrazy. :)

[stratomagi]

78. Neither.

Luckily that scenario would never happen anyway.

[Texas Hill Country]

81. a much better response than I had expected!!!! thanks for giving me hope