I'm Still Pissed At Sandy Berger....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

He should have announced he was under investigation in October when he was notified and he should have never become an adviser to the Kerry campaign....


His clumsiness is causing problems for the Democrats and the Kerry campaign...


No individual is more important than a Kerry victory and removing this evil cabal from the White House....


Sandy Berger should have fell on his sword in October....

[freetobegay]

1. Hindsight is 20/20

I'll wait for all the fact to come out before rushing to judgement.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Whether Or Not Sandy Berger Did Anything Wrong

he is giving the Republicans a cudgel...



I'm pissed... He should have never became an advisor to the Kerry campaign....

[trumad]

2. Yah..Kerry should drop 20 points in the polls because of this...

sheeeesh! :eyes:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. The Last Time I Looked This Is A Close Election

And Every Vote Is Crucial...


He knew he was under investigation... He never told Kerry about it.... And now Kerry is being dragged into Sandy Berger's nightmare...

[IronLionZion]

9. The convention will more than compensate

And Berger is already out of Kerry's campaign. I think this thing has been contained or it will be soon.

[IronLionZion]

4. I'll give him the benefit of a doubt

He served well as NSA and Clinton still vouches for him. Apparently he's always been disorganized and buried in papers. That didn't stop him from ensuring the safety of this country and stopping all those attacks we didn't hear about. (we only hear about failures)

And you have to love the timing of all this. Isn't the Dem convention coming up?

[rpannier]

6. But Will The General Public?

Berger owed it to Kerry to fess up immediately. This will probably have little-to-no significance on the race, but he still should have said something.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Please Read My Original Post....

He should have announced he was under investigation in October or leaked it himself....


Politics is the continuation of war by other means... This is a tactical blunder...

[IronLionZion]

8. Yes he should have

That was irresponsible. The Republicans are making it seem a lot worse than it is. Berger should have known they would use it againt Kerry.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. Xactly....

I listen to hate radio and they are positively orgasmic over these developments....


I like to listen to hate radio so I can counter their arguments in my mind....

[fujiyama]

11. Agreed

I don't really think he did anything serious. He did make a minor mistake and probably violated some convention. He sounds like he was careless.

If he knew he was under investigation he should have let the campaign know way back and left right away.

While I think the story will blow over and doubt it has legs, the closer it gets to election day, the less you want stupid shit like this coming up.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Xactly....

The salient point which is lost in all this is that Berger didn't take any original documents so there is no possibility of a coverup but the Pukes are making it seem like he took the original documents....

[trumad]

13. First off...if you've been paying attention,

the election isn't all that close.... The numbers are very very bad for bush... Secondly, this matter will be dead within the week because there is nothing there....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

14. Thanks for the tip....

I check out www.pollingreport.com everyday...


It sure seems close to me....

[trumad]

19. Yes...cause you're simply looking at a number

Look past the numbers at the undecideds and the Independnats... Bush is cooked... I don't think this Berger things makes one bit of diff to those folks.

[mememe]

24. Sorry, this is very serious

In my job I've had a few occasions where I've been in government locations where secure documents are kept. The procedures to ensure proper handling of secure documents are very explicit and are clearly explained. Further, it is inconceivable that a former National Security Adviser would be unaware of the regulations governing secure documents.

In all cases where I've visited secured locations I was briefed on what I could bring in and what I could bring out. I had an escort at all times. Upon exiting, a security officer examined everything I had in my briefcase. Secured documents are printed on special paper which clearly states that the document is classified.

It is inconceivable that one could inadvertently take the documents, inadvertently see them later and not realize what they were and then inadvertently discard them. That being said, Mr. Berger has a well-deserved reputation for integrity and honest public service. It is equally inconceivable that he would deliberately purloin such documents.

The completely bizarre nature of this whole episode serves to indicate the seriousness of it, not a lack of seriousness. This is inexcusable and inexplicable.

This was not some minor mistake or a violation of "some convention". This is a very serious matter. Military personnel have been sent to prison for much less than this. Don't get excited - I'm not advocating that Berger be sent to prison - I'm just trying to show how serious this is. Trying to defend this action will do nothing but send the message that Democrats are not serious about national security. That is not a helpful image leading up to an election.

[randr]

15. Again the real news here is who leaked the info

and who the hell said they say him stuffing documents into his socks?
This "outing" is so obviously an attempt to divert interest from the 9/11 report.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. The Republicans Are A Nefarious Group No Doubt...

That's why we need to be smarter than them and not give them anything to work with...

[wishlist]

17. White House got caught yesterday flipflopping about their knowledge

since spokesman Scotty had at first denied the White House knew about the investigation but yesterday he had to admit that the White House had known about it for months! But only now is Bush calling for quick resolution of the matter.

I hope this matter serves as a big wake up call to all Democrats that they cannot afford to be careless.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. We Can Mitigate Alot Of The Damage By Playing The Leak Angle....

I just don't want any mistakes this campaign....

[wishlist]

20. The leak has fallen into place as a well-orchestrated WH political smear

with the help of the Justice Dept who didn't bother completing the investigation earlier. If it was such an important matter, they should have cleared it up before the 911 commission had finished its work.

[Mr.Green93]

22. and when did the W H know of the investigation?

[Mr.Green93]

21. Berger is an innocent victim of an illegal perjury trap (imho)

[dolstein]

26. Bullshit

First, even if he "inadvertantly" removed classified materials from the archives, he made a very deliberate decision not to get clearance to remove his personal notes from the achives, even though he knew that this was a violation of archive rules. So the claim that Berger is completely blameless simply doesn't hold water.

Second, regardless of the merits of the criminal investigation, his calculated decision not to reveal the fact that he was under investigation to the Kerry campaign was, quite frankly, an act of political treason against the Democratic Party. This guy knew he was under criminal investigation, he knew what kind of impact the disclosure of this fact could have on the Kerry campaign, and yet he contined to keep the Kerry campaign completely in the dark.

[DrFunkenstein]

28. Unfortunately, I'm In Your Camp

I had even entertained the notion of Berger as Sec. of State, but this was beyond dumbass, it was disloyal.



National Security Advisor Sandy Berger at the bipartisan September 11 terrorist attacks commission on March 2004 in Washington, DC. President George W. Bush's reelection campaign said that Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry should come clean about whether he benefitted from classified documents removed by Berger.

Fuckers.

(pardon my French)

[TexasSissy]

23. I agree. He shouldn't have let it be announced by a leak at an

inopportune time.

[dolstein]

25. THANK YOU!!!!

I made a similar point in a breaking news thread. Personally, I think what Berger did with regard to his handling of classified materials at best involves negligence bordering on the criminal. But even if you are willing to buy his claim that he "invertantly" removed top-secret classified materials from the archives, you must admit that his decision not to disclose the fact that he was under criminal investigation to the Kerry campaign was quite deliberate. He should never have put Kerry in the position of having to explain why he was getting foreign policy advice from someone who was under criminal investigation for mishandling classified materials.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. A Man That Makes Sense....

Berger should have come clean in October when the investigation began....


This election is going to be difficult. We need to run a flawless campaign....