Is It Time To Ask Democrats Who Vote For Bush To Leave The Party

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I'm tired of seeing polls where twelve or so percent of Democrats say they are voting for Bush...

If they are doing it to mess with pollsters that's one thing but if they are doing it because they really support Bush I don't want them in my party.... They can Cheney themselves....


Do you agree that Democrats that plan to vote for Bush should leave the party or at least not identify themselves as Democrats....

[apnu]

1. we need to have a Zell Miller outing party n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. It's Rediculous....

Then folks like Nader throw these traitors in our face...


A Dem voting for Bush is like a chicken voting for Colornel Sanders....

[WI_DEM]

3. on the other hand 8-12 percent of Republicans say they will

vote for Kerry.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. I Don't Think It's Quite That High

And I would expect Republicans to feel the same way..

[Feanorcurufinwe]

15. The last poll I saw about this was months ago

from CBS, and it gave 11%. I think the Republican vote for Kerry is going to me MUCH higher, a lot of them would never admit to it, but when they get in the voting booth they won't have to justify their vote to their friends and neighbors, but to their conscience... and a lot of Republican voters are not the nutcase idealogues that we think of when we say 'Republican'.

[NoPasaran]

4. Yes

And they're welcome to leave the planet as well.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. They Can Stay On The Planet Just Leave My Party

NT

6. Can we have a secret handshake also?

:evilgrin:

(to go with the secret ballot we have the right to in this country)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. You Can Write In Gus Hall's Name

That's not the point....


The ballot is secret but declaring you are a member of a party is not...

11. Ok

then can we have a secret handshake so that we can get into the treehouse?

Aren't there better things to worry about?

I sure as hell am not going to vote for Bush, but if anyone told me that I had to vote a straight Democratic ticket because I was a Democrat, I'd tell them to go to hell, even if I was planning on voting a straight Democratic ticket.

That's my point, this line of reasoning regarding asking people to leave the party reminds me of grade school and secret handshakes.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

12. Why Should Someone Say They Are A Dem And Are Voting For Bush?

NT

13. Who knows?

It doesn't make any sense to me either & I find it hard to believe such a beast actually exists, but even with the evidence that they do, I still believe what I said before.

[aden_nak]

9. It depends on how often.

Look, if they side with Bush's people once in a while on a bill, that's one thing. Representatives have to be allowed to vote their minds or else we might as well just pre-determine the votes by what party wins the state.

On the other hand, guys like Zell Miller need to go. "Democrats" who follow the Republican line to the letter need to go.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

10. If I Was A Representative Or Senator I Might Vote With The R's Once In

Awhile.....


I'm referring to folks who say "I'm a Democrat but I'm voting for Bush".

[aden_nak]

18. Ah, in that case, fuck 'em!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

19. That's What I Meant....

I'm not arguing for Lenininist party discipline but if you are a member of a party you should agree with it on the really big things and the presidency is a really big thing....


For instance Nader criticized Gore for losing 12% of the Democratic vote in Florida to Bush....


This is a totally nonsensical charge for Nader to make for the only way Gore could have gotten those vote was by moving further to the right...

[Westegg]

14. I agree they are Democrats in name only, but...

they have the freedom to call themselves whatever they want. However absurd... More to the point, who ARE these people, anyway? Pro-choice opponents who otherwise agree with the Democratic platform? I'm mystified. What's the benefit of labelling yourself a Democrat and voting for Bush? Who did these 12 percent vote for in 2000? Is it possible that someone who voted for Gore in 2000 and is now going to vote for Bush? I really don't get it and I would like you smart people out there to tell me what's up.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. I Agree...

that they have the freedom to call themselves anything they want but it makes no sense at all...


* did receive about 12% of the "Democratic" vote in 00....

[MoonRiver]

17. YES! Just GTFO, and, while yer at it, go straight to Hell, DINOs.

I will tolerate NO Pukes, even or especially those disguised in donkey suits, ever again.
:puke:

[fujiyama]

20. I don't like 'em either

but what are we goin to do, purge them?

People have the right to identify themselves as whatever party they want and vote for whomever they vote for, even that incompetant fool in the WH right now. Hell, some dems will vote for Nader, some for the libertarian candidate, and some even constitution party.

For example, I once met someone that considered himself a republican but he was quite liberal. He also had a signed photo of Al Gore and was upseted by the GOP's tactics during the recount. Certainly, the GOP isn't welcome to moderates.

As for those sitting in office (say someone like Miller) and endorsing Bush, they should be kicked out.

[zulchzulu]

21. A Democrat voting for the Chimp IS NOT a Democrat

The differences between Kerry and Bush and the repercussions of another Bush term are too much.

Either the person is clueless, stupid or really a Republican.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. You Are Right...

NT

[RoyGBiv]

23. Yes and No

I don't really care about individual party members. In some places, Oklahoma for example, party affiliation is more a matter of convenience than a statement of principle. We have closed primaries, and there are areas where almost no one ever runs as a Republican. Put another way, what makes a Democrat a Democrat varies from place to place.

However ...

Those Democrats who have achieved a national office who offer their support to Bush should be drummed out of the party immediately. These people have some degree of power within the party itself, and they use that power to undermine legitimate goals of the Democratic party. It's actually less about their vote than their open support for Bush and/or the measures they advance publicly and in caucuses as party members. (What they do privately is their business.)

Another aspect to this is that someone who supports Republican principles can claim him or herself to be a Democrat and infiltrate the primary system so as to make it meaningless. In the end, voters are left with two choices, both of whom support the same goals and principles, only varying in their official party affiliation. Former residents of the Soviet Union might be familiar with this sort of thing.

[wyldwolf]

24. Yes... and those who vote for Nader, too

[AntiCoup2K4]

25. Sure, as long as you include "Democrat" politicians who vote the RW agenda

The ridiculous anti-gay bill today being a prime example, but certainly not the only one that could easily be pointed to in the last three years.

Right wing sympathizers. Bush voters. Pussies who won't stand up for the values that built this party - and this country. DLC traitors. Be gone, all of you :grr:

[dolstein]

26. No, but it IS time to stop asking silly questions

The fact of the matter is that there is no way to actually kick these people out of the party. Any voter can register as a Democrat, and in the privacy of the voting booth there is simply no way to enforce party loyalty.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. I Don't Want To Kick Them Out...

I'm asking them nicely to leave....

They are not wanted....


They are not needed...


They are a fifth column in the Democratic party, quislings, Benedict Arnolds, Vichy Democrats....


on edit- next time I want to post a question I'll run it by you first....

Kisses,


Brian

[ulysses]

28. what, are you kidding?

They're our only hope!

:crazy:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Who

NT

[ulysses]

30. ...

(kind of a joke there...)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. I Know

-:)

[leyton]

32. I think you guys are forgetting the other Democratic parties.

Yes, there's a national democratic party.

There are also state and local democratic parties that are more conservative because they have to be to survive. There are also people who identify themselves as Democrats because they would be considered liberal in their home county, or it's a yellow-dog democratic place where elections are really decided in democratic primaries.

Why should the top of the ticket define a person's party? Plenty of people in North Carolina, for example, voted for George Bush in 2000 and then voted for Democrats in Congressional, Gubernatorial, State Council, and Local elections. They are not Republicans, and they should not be kicked out of the party.

It's a ludicrous idea.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. You Have A Point And Maybe I Was A Bit Rough...

I just get tired of having wayward Democratic voters thrown in my face....


The Dems are a broad coalition and you can't appease all it's sundry parts...