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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 05:51 AM
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Swift Boat Vets for Truth: Fact or Fiction
I've gotten sucked into a discussion on another board. The GOPers are out spreading the word that Kerry's "Band of Brothers" is a lot of hooey, and that only three of the guys on stage served with him. And that a majority say he is "unfit for CIC".

Is this true and if not where can I go for some info to debunk this?
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Sporadicus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 06:00 AM
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1. Fiction
A good place to start:

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On May 17, 2004, Matt Gunn shares a segment from Joe Conason's recent registration-required Salon "uncovering" of "yet more 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' Republican ties, as if there weren't enough on record already" :

"When the 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' launched its campaign against John Kerry 10 days ago, leadership and guidance were provided by Republican activists and presidential friends from Texas -- notably Houston attorney John E. O'Neill and corporate media consultant Merrie Spaeth.

"On closer inspection, the ostensibly nonpartisan 'Swift Boat Vets' seem to have another pair of significant sponsors with deep and long-standing Republican connections in Missouri. Both are officers of Gannon International, a St. Louis conglomerate that does lots of overseas business in, of all places, the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.

"Ties to Gannon can be traced via the Swift Boat Vets Web site ... On April 14, the site was registered under the name of Lewis Waterman, Gannon's information technology manager, at 11301 Olive Boulevard in St. Louis, the firm's headquarters address. Although Waterman wouldn't discuss why he had set up the Web site, he didn't deny that his boss, Gannon president and CEO William Franke, had asked him to do so.

"'The information about my client is confidential,' said Waterman. He acknowledged knowing, however, that his boss Franke is a Navy veteran who served in Vietnam on swift boats. Gannon vice president Stephen D. Hayes, who oversees the company's office in Alexandria, Va., is likewise a swift boat veteran who first met Franke when they served together in the Mekong Delta."

"What is most intriguing about Franke, Hayes, and Gannon -- especially in light of their apparent role in the campaign against John Kerry -- are their strong commercial interests in Southeast Asia. While Gannon is a highly diversified holding company whose divisions range from real estate in Florida and Missouri to Internet technology and software, it maintains an unusual presence in Vietnam, with offices in both Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City. Indeed, Gannon has operated in that country's tourism, real estate and import-export sectors for a decade. (The target market for its tours was fellow Vietnam veterans.)

"None of Gannon's profitable activities in the communist republic would be possible, of course, without the approval of the Hanoi government, which Franke has described as 'strong' and 'stable.' Nor would Gannon be conducting business in Vietnam without the Clinton administration diplomacy, assisted by Sen. Kerry, that established diplomatic and trade ties with the United States in 1994. Franke first began traveling to Vietnam on behalf of Operation Smile, an American charity that provides plastic surgery to children abroad. The relationships he established during those humanitarian missions provided a considerable advantage in doing business under government auspices.

"It was also during those early visits to Vietnam, as he told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, that Franke reached a clearer understanding of the war he had once fought as a young Navy lieutenant.

"'As I looked back 20 years, I saw that it was a very imperial relationship we had with these people,' said Franke in 1989. 'We were young. We were there because we were told to be there and that they were the enemy. This time I saw them as human beings who had fears and hopes the same as we.'

"Yet he evidently cannot forgive John Kerry for reaching the same conclusion about that war and its victims, so many years before he finally did."

Joe Klein, "The Long War of John Kerry," The New Yorker, January 5, 2004 (Courtesy of Matt Gunn and Mike Stark):

"Nixon's chief counsel, Charles Colson, didn't just tap John E. O'Neill to attack Kerry, he also formed an entire group around him called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace: <1>

" was an immediate celebrity. He was also an immediate target of the Nixon administration. Years later, Chuck Colson--who was Nixon's political enforcer--told me, 'He was a thorn in our flesh. He was very articulate, a credible leader of the opposition. He forced us to create a counterfoil. We found a vet named John O'Neill and formed a group called Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace. We had O'Neill meet the President, and we did everything we could do to boost his group."

"'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth' can be seen as merely a 21st century reinvention of Vietnam Veterans for a Just Peace."

Joe Conason writes on May 4, 2004, in Salon that the "latest conservative outfit to fire an angry broadside against John Kerry's heroic war record is 'Swift Boat Veterans for Truth', which today launches a campaign to brand the Democrat 'unfit to serve as commander in chief.' Billing itself as representing the 'other 97 percent of veterans' from Kerry's Navy unit who don't support his presidential candidacy, the group insists that all presidential candidates must be 'totally honest and forthcoming' about their military service.

"These 'swift boat vets' claim still to be furious about Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony against the war in which he spoke about atrocities in Indochina's 'free fire zones.' More than three decades later," Conason writes, "facing the complicated truth about Vietnam remains difficult. But this group's political connections make clear that its agenda is to target" U.S. presidential election, 2004."

"Conason identifies "veteran corporate media consultant and Texas Republican activist Merrie Spaeth" as being behind the group. Spaeth, "listed as the group's media contact," is the widow of Tex Lezar, "eternal Kerry antagonist and Dallas attorney" John E. O'Neill's law partner.

The group's founder is "retired Rear Adm. Roy Hoffman, a cigar-chomping former Vietnam commander once described as 'the classic body-count guy' who 'wanted hooches destroyed and people killed.'" Hoffmann "first gained notoriety in Vietnam as a strutting, cigar-chewing Navy captain. But it was O'Neill, by now a familiar figure on the Kerry-bashing circuit, who came to Spaeth for assistance," according to Conason.

"Until now," he adds, "Hoffmann has been best known as the commanding officer whose obsession with body counts and 'scorekeeping' may have provoked the February 1969 massacre of Vietnamese civilians at Thanh Phong by a unit led by Bob Kerrey -- the Medal of Honor winner who lost a leg in Nam, became a U.S. senator from Nebraska and now sits on the 9-11 Commission."

Conason says that Spaeth is not "as well known as" Karen P. Hughes but yet is "among the most experienced and best connected Republican communications executives. During the Reagan administration she served as director of the White House Office of Media Liaison, where she specialized in promoting "news" items that boosted President Reagan to TV stations around the country. While living in Washington she met and married Lezar, a Reagan Justice Department lawyer who ran for lieutenant governor of Texas in 1994 with George W. Bush, then the party's candidate for governor. (Lezar lost; Bush won.)"

Conason concludes that "Arguments about the war in Vietnam seem destined to continue forever. For now, however, the lingering bitterness and ambiguity of those days provide smear material against an antiwar war hero with five medals on behalf of a privileged Guardsman with a dubious duty record. The president's Texas allies -- whose animus against his Democratic challenger dates back to the Nixon era -- are now deploying the same techniques and personnel they used to attack McCain's integrity four years ago. Bush's 'independent' supporters would apparently rather talk about the Vietnam quagmire than about his deadly incompetence in Iraq."

Hoffmania blogspot provides the following excerpt from the May 4, 2004, NewsMax article "Swift Boat Veterans Condemn Kerry As Unfit To Command". His comment follows the quote.

"O'Neill told NewsMax.com that the medals and their back stories were not the real issue being targeted by the organization, referring to the second paragraph of the letter to Kerry:

"It is our collective judgment that, upon your return from Vietnam, you grossly and knowingly distorted the conduct of the American soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen of that war (including a betrayal of many of us, without regard for the danger your actions caused us.) Further, we believe that you have withheld and/or distorted material facts as to your own conduct in this war."

"But it is with regard to the latter sentence of the charge that John E. O'Neill and others get vague.

"When asked by NewsMax if they had in mind any potential smoking gun of distortion that might be revealed by an unfettered examination of Kerry's military records, there was no answer forthcoming."

Bob Somerby, "Kerry’s accuser remembered it wrong. But so what?," The Daily Howler, May 5, 2004.

Matt Gunn, "Swift Boat Veterans for a Big Lie" and "Swift Boat Followup," mattgunn.com, May 5 and May 6, 2004.

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Swift_Boat_Veterans_for_Truth
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NV1962 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 06:00 AM
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2. "I'll get back to that..."
"...as soon as you guys can deliver conclusive proof that the Fraudster in Chief wasn't a weasly AWOL / deserter, whatever term you're most comfortable with of experienced at.

Other than that, thanks for bringing it up!

Have a nice November, because I will."

Something like that should suffice tp bring the weasels back in line with reality and with the real program.
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 06:03 AM
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3. I believe it is possible to find out just about anybody's military info.
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tandt5044 Donating Member (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 06:53 AM
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4. your link
isn't working .... tried to copy and paste into address line, still, no joy ...
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prodigal_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 07:13 AM
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5. do you have adobe acrobat installed?
Edited on Fri Jul-30-04 07:14 AM by prodigal_green
it links to a PDF form.

edited to say: Welcome to DU!!
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