If I switch from Starbucks to Dunkin' Donuts, can I be considered a Hard Working White American?

[sfam]

I got the white thing down, so that's a plus. But unfortunately, I have both a college degree and a graduate degree. :(

Am I disqualified, or can I get a "waiver" by switching from Starbucks to Duncan Donuts?

Just to be clear, I REALLY don't like their coffee, so this would be a serious commitment on my part. They overheat it, they don't let me put the extras in, and worse, I have the tendency to buy a Bavarian cream donut whenever I enter the place (well, OK, I ALWAYS get it if its there). Considering I'm borderline diabetic, this is a bad thing.

What if I went to a lessor coffee chain instead? I know "Seattle's Best" is out, but what if I switched "Badass Coffee" (they have Kona coffee there!), or "Caribou Coffee" (Great leather chairs!), or Saxby's Coffee (sugar free Frolattes!) - could I be considered a good upstanding, hard-working white person then?

As an added plus, the lessor coffee places have free internet access, so a hard-working white guy like myself can bring my laptop and get some, er, work done!

So what say you - do I make the cut?


EDITED to spell "Dunkin' Donuts" correctly....

[Renaissance Man]

1. Sorry

... that Prius doo-hickey that you're driving disqualifies you. You might want to kill the Birkenstocks as well.

:sarcasm:

[sfam]

5. Actually, I drive a Camry Hybrid...should I sell it?

It really is sort of awesome, and allows me to use the local HOV lane, so I'd rather not. But if this is necessary, I suppose I can make that commitment as well...

[Renaissance Man]

16. Oh, and the free internet...

...kill that too, welfare queen. My "hard-working" taxes shouldn't be used to "pay" for that.

:sarcasm:

LOL

[sfam]

37. I do have a smartphone that I've hacked to get me free laptop internet without paying for it..

So I can skip the free internet while still getting 3G internet access. Does that suffice?

[Skink]

2. Atleast you have choices

Where I am starbucks is the only game in town.:hangover:

[sfam]

20. The DC area has horrid traffic, but LOTS of diversity in coffee places...

I can hit a starbucks regardless which direction I leave my house from. However, to hit this other franchises, I will admit that I actually have to target my driving a bit more...

[MyNameGoesHere]

43. yeah i see construction workers and homeless people there

all the time. Right next to the Illegal immigrants waiting for the jefe to pick them up for work at a very modest wage. Oh and the folks that live in south east are always there ordering lattes. You really are white aren't you?

[sfam]

53. I'm not from Prince William County if that's what your askin...nt

[MyNameGoesHere]

72. Of that I am sure. n/t

[sfam]

74. So the "you really are white" comment meant?...

that only white folks get lattes?

[hisownpetard]

3. 1st K&R.

[zabet]

4. You have to learn the difference between

Duncan Donuts and Dunkin' Donuts first. :rofl:

[sfam]

6. Doh! I've been found out!!! I better change the title...nt

[goldcanyonaz]

7. McDonalds has the best coffee in the world. Mmmmmmmmmmm!

[mcctatas]

8. Unfortunately your extensive knowledge of coffe chains

will make granting of a waiver impossible at this time. If, however, at some later date you would like to reapply you may do so if you can provide proof that you have sworn off all but dunkin donuts and have entirely given up kale...
:)

[sfam]

17. So its a good thing I didn't mention visiting...

The Coffee Beanery and Bear Creek Coffee? Wew! Didn't like them that much anyways...

Anyways, I usually visit this local place owned by a woman named Jane (called "Jane's coffee", surprisingly enough). She roasts her own beans, and I can get absolutely fresh Tanzanian Peaberry there right out of the roaster. But um, this didn't sound all that working class to me, even though it supports the local community. :)

[goldcanyonaz]

29. coffee beanery makes the best cafe caramel. In Arizona they go by THe coffee bean instead.

So odd out here. Eddys ice cream is Dryers and Helmans mayonaise is called best foods out here.

[sfam]

36. I'm not a big caramel coffee drinker...after all, I am a hard workin white guy...

Assuming I get the waiver, of course...which at this point is looking rather slim...not unlike Hillary's chances to get the nomination...

[mckeown1128]

9. yes. nt

[hisownpetard]

10. I regret to inform you that, despite your being white, you do not qualify as being "hard working"

due to the fact that you are apparently intelligent (or at least intelligent enough to start a sentence with a capital
and end it with a period.)

i on the other hand do

[Thrill]

11. uh you Latte Liberal

[sfam]

18. I would be giving up my triple venti, skinny, cinnamon dolce in a personal cup...

this is a bit of a commitment, right?

[nomorewhopper]

12. sorry bub but your graduate degree only qualifies you as a latte drinking, gucci wearing, effete

your money is no good at duncan donuts!

oh, and you don't work hard!

oh, and you are a jerk!

lol im kidding of course. but honestly it doesnt matter what you say, y ou will be considered part of the elite and condescended to just because of your degrees.

:D

[newmajority]

13. Unfortunately, you'd be considered a financial supporter of the Bush Crime Family

Their "Carlyle Group" division bought Dunkin Donuts and Baskin Robbins a few years back.

[formercia]

91. Beat me to it

:rofl:

[featherman]

14. Dang... I went to college... so I am not a "hard working American"

Apparently

[SaveAmerica]

15. Nope, the cut has to go deeper; Krispy Kremes or even deeper yet: McDonald's Iced Coffee

Garn - you can do it!

[PassingFair]

19. All depends...are you still wearing the Birkenstocks?

Dead give away...

:eyes:

[sfam]

22. Never!!! I do wear Ecco shoes, but I'm guessing most hard working white folk do...nt

[bcoylepa]

21. you would be supporting

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/10/28/111517/12
the Carlyle Group

But the Carlyle Group makes sense. You all know who they are, right? They're the insanely-rich private investment company managed and advised by a collection of big corporate CEOs, major political honchos, and former heads of state. Their offices, according to wikipedia, "are on Pennsylvania Avenue, midway between the White House and the Capitol building."

Carlyle's current chairman is Lou Gerstner, formerly CEO of IBM. He has also been CEO of RJR Nabisco, Inc., as well as president of American Express. He serves on the boards of Bristol-Myers Squibb, DaimlerChrysler & Sony, and has in past years served on the boards of The New York Times, AT&T, Caterpillar Inc., Jewel Companies, and the Melville Corporation. Additionally he is a Director of the National Committee on U.S.-China Relations. Can you say "POWER," anyone? Other senior managers have connections to MCI, Sprint Nextel, Marriott, Pepsico, J.P. Morgan Chase, and... the Council on Foreign Relations.

More famous Carlyle members and alums, of course, include George H.W. Bush, Reagan defense secretary Frank Carlucci, James Baker III, some of the Binladins, Colin Powell, former British P.M. John Major, and several other ex-heads-of-state (e.g. Anand Panyarachun of Thailand, Fidel Ramos of the Phillipines, and Park Tae Joon of South Korea).


I'm just saying....

[sfam]

24. Looks like most hard working white folk support the Carlyle Group...

Is this a problem? Corporate america is MADE for pleasing hard workin, white folks like me (er, if I get a waiver of course), right?

[billyoc]

23. Be gone, unclean one. Not even 7-11 coffee can save you now.

:rofl:

[PassingFair]

26. LOL!! n/t

[sfam]

27. NOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooo

Not the 7-11 coffee! Anything but the 7-11 coffeee......

[QueenOfCalifornia]

25. I go where I want

and eat and drink what the hell I want. I would never allow the status quo here or anyplace else decide what I am going to like. If I go into a Starbucks (happens once in a while if I am shopping and feel like a cup) so be it. I wouldn't drink the swill in a Dunkin' Donuts. You are right. They keep the pot on a too-hot-heater and it tastes burned.

I enjoy going to a place nearby with wifi but it sells the best micro-brew around and awesome fish and chips. Great late lunch hangout.

I only stayed in college long enough to get my BA. I admire people who went the distance - I wanted to travel and do almost anything besides serve more time in school.

Take your laptop where you want. Have a martini for all I care. Just don't vote Republican. In fact, that is pretty much my bottom line. Pay enough attention to not vote for a fucktard Republican.

:hi:
:toast:

[sfam]

31. Micro-brew...MMMMM....er, I mean, I like Bud, Dammit!!!

I would never go for Sam Adams!



that is, as long as my local micro brew (Sweet Water Tavern) still has growlers available....

[QueenOfCalifornia]

54. Well...

I believe it's spelled Sweetwater Tavern (Sweetwater being one word) -Centerville VA (unless you are talking about a different one.)

I used to live in VA.

D.C.

Silver Spring MD

I served my time.

San Diego CA is so very nice.

:toast:

I'd go to the Sweetwater Tavern with you if I were on the other coast. :bounce:

[sfam]

62. Yes, the Centreville one, although there are 3 Sweetwater Taverns now...

Its like 5 minutes from my house. Personally my fav time of the year is October - they have the pumpkin ale then! Yum!!!

As for San Diego, I was out there for um, a hard-working conference last month. I LUV Seaport Village! Never found any great microbrews there, but I do love Ruination's Pale Ale, which I believe comes from around there...

[Coexist]

28. I can't help you there -

I like Starbucks better, too, so I don't count.

[jeffrey_X]

30. I buy my coffee from the local, independent coffee shop. What does that make me?

I'm also white. :-)

[sfam]

34. See my post #17...right there with ya, bud...perhaps Indy coffees can get waivers...

maybe its like a dunkin' donuts lite thing...

[doc03]

32. I'm a hard working uneducated white American

and I happen to like Starbucks coffee. I don't drink those $4.00 Venti frappuccino what you call it drinks with whipped cream on top, I'm to dumb to order one and don't know Italian or whatever it is. By the way, why is the (Tall) in English and it's the small. The Grande is Spanish and it's only medium, then the extra large is Venti whatever the hell that is?

[uponit7771]

40. heh heh...

[Andy823]

33. Well I drink Folgers

Drive a Ford, work my butt off, I am white, but have a college degree, am I disqualified? :shrug:

[sfam]

44. Folgers may qualify you. At home I'm working through a 5lb bag of Jamaican Blue Mountain....

...using a burr grinder of course. that probably "won't" make the cut...

[izzybeans]

35. Not in my neighborhood. My Dunkin Donuts is multi-cultural.

Hillary may not want to sit on the stump there.

But hey at least the coffee here doesn't taste like burning dingleberries like at starbucks.

[uponit7771]

38. SLACKER!! :-)

[rucky]

39. If you don't have a big ass commuter cup from Speedway...

you ain't shit.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

41. Only if you spit your chewin' tobacca in the cup and have a 'fedrut flag decal on your pickup.

[enki23]

42. Just don't put too much milk in your coffee

Somebody might call it a Latte. Or worse, a cafe au lait (my personal favorite).

[sfam]

46. Nope. No milk ever!!!! I only put half-n-half in...

does that count as hard working coffee?

[enki23]

68. cream is elitist

cream rises to the top. sorry.

[sfam]

70. What if I refer to it as Breve' instead of as cream or half-n-half?

Would this make up for it?

[enki23]

78. probably. english is elitist. it comes from a country with a still-functioning aristocracy

.

[rox63]

45. No - I don't think you can qualify

The graduate degree, the laptop, the wi-fi, they all give you away as a "latte liberal". :eyes:

In my city, we've got 7 or 8 Dunkins', and not a single Starbucks. Wherever you go, there they are. But we do have some good, independent coffee shops. And there's always the local diner, where the coffee is awful, but the coversation is never dull.

[sfam]

48. No matter. I'll keep campaigning for my waiver even though there is no chance...

Hard workin white folk never give up, dammit!!!!

So my Camry Hybrid makes the cut then?

[rox63]

58. No, that also disqualifies you

You could drive a beat-up, several-years-old Camry, and that would be ok.

[Occam Bandage]

47. If you prefer Starbucks' coffee to Dunkin' Donuts coffee, you are an abomination

that must be cleansed from this Earth.

[sfam]

49. So if I'm an Obamanation...er, abonimation, I can't be a hard-workin white guy?

dammit...

[jakefrep]

51. self delete - posted wrong

[Buzz Clik]

50. This elistist, male, over-educated snob works his ass off on a daily basis.

And it pisses me off when a certain person suggests otherwise.

[alcibiades_mystery]

52. Hmmmmm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3254895

[sfam]

57. I work for an hourly wage...does that count? Does this mean I'm a hard-workin white guy?

By your definition in that linked thread, I am "forced to sell my labor power in order to ensure basic survival, without access to the capital that drives production in my work."

Granted, I'm an independent consultant, so I don't work for "the man", but I certainly "sell" my hours. This is beginning to look up for me. Perhaps I AM a hard-workin white guy!

BTW, just as an aside, check out Donald Tapscott's "Wikinomics" for a potential change in the basic production of work.

[alcibiades_mystery]

80. Oh, I'm well familiar with Tapscott

The definition has nothing to do with whether one works hard.

[CatsDogsBabies]

55. Dunkin Donuts is better at making the lattes hot

I always have to ask to have my hot beverages hot at Starbaucks- they always seem barely warm to me. Also DD has more drivethrus, easier when you have a young child in tow.

[jakefrep]

56. You'd just be an elitist poseur...

just like all the faux grunge kids from my college years with the fancy LL Bean flannel shirts, and $120 Dr. Martens.

[sfam]

59. Damn...no matter...I'll keep campaigning for my waiver well after it realistically makes sense...

I AM a hard workin white guy, I AM!!! I'll keep endlessly repeating it until the MSM buys my rationale...

[Norrin Radd]

60. Waffle House

[mdmc]

61. No

You are still able to purchase taxable food (prepared food).
The Working class is no longer able to do that.

Stick with your upscale status. :toast: to you for being so affluent.

[sfam]

65. Wait...so working class folks don't eat TV dinners or McDs? Anyways, I buy grass-fed beef...

from a grower in West VA. So that probably counts as working class since its not prepared. Woohoo!

[mdmc]

67. TV dinners aren't taxed as prepared (but cold cuts are)

And eating a McD's is getting harder, but I see that in a different way.
1) Fast food is an addiction (IMHO).
2) Fast food is a status symbol for the poor and working poor.

I know it is hard to beleive, but many full timers can't afford fast food meals.
I never thought I would be unable to do so, but here I am.

I am not dissing you in any way my friend. I am glad that you are doing well enough not to feel too pinched. That is a very good thing and I am glad that your situation is still working class instead of working poor.

Peace and low stress. You have been blessed by God my friend. :toast:
:pals:

[sfam]

69. This taxable food distinction is a California thing, isn't it?

Here in VA, we don't quite have the same food tax distinctions.

But I am happy that I'm not considered poor. I just am somewhat shocked to find out I'm lazy.

[mdmc]

79. I'm in NYS

I don't think that you are at all lazy in the least bit.

Peace out.

[hokies4ever]

63. Thank you for your application

but unfortunately, the hardworking, white American group is not hiring at this time. Please reject and denounce both your college and graduate degrees and please apply again in 2012, when Hillary hopes to run again. :rofl:

[Kittycat]

64. For regular Joe - nothing beat a DD w/Cream & Sugah...

Had it myself, this morning.

[sfam]

66. No sugah for me...I use Splenda...

And again, DD has those Bavarian Cream donuts...no resistance....baaaaad

[Kittycat]

92. Apple fritter - the right way...

I don't like it when they just use the apple stuff as filling, rather mix it in to the fitter mix - then fry it. God it's so evil!

And I should do more Splenda. I switched to that at home, but when I get coffee out - I just want to enjoy it.

[IronLionZion]

71. The only thing that defines a hard working white american

is a vote for Hillary. So if I voted for Hillary, my skin color would change. That's why I voted for Obama.

[krkaufman]

73. First, you can't buy your coffee in ANY place where the main product is their coffee ...

... and would really need to skip any businesses who advertise their coffee. You're pretty much stuck w/ the local, non-franchise diner -- unless the diner offers free Internet, or even properly refers to the Internet as opposed to Internets, Intertubes or series of tubes.

[sfam]

76. Wew! At least this rules out McDonald's coffee, as they're advertising it...

Thank God!

[Medusa]

75. Okay so if I BUY the Starbucks coffee and brew it at home--

is that acceptable?

[NightWatcher]

77. Dunkin Doughnuts is Carlyle Group dont do it

[bunny planet]

81. That brings up my question

Am I still an elitist if I grow my own arugula?

[nichomachus]

82. Real men

get their coffee from a vending machine -- and they like it

They put in that powdered palm oil "lightener" -- and they like it

They stir it with a splintered wooden stick -- and they like it

[sfam]

83. Ha! Real men get their coffees from rest areas, ey?

Funny post!

[Stinky The Clown]

84. No, but some could consider you to be an asshole.

Only 7-Eleven coffee has the cachet you want.

[sfam]

87. Well, at least 7-11 has those little cream sweeteners I suppose...nt

[Carni]

85. An ass is an ass

Coffee preference won't change that...I would stick with what you are most impressed with.

[cascadiance]

86. So if I switch from buying Fair Trade certified, organic, and shade grown coffee to Folgers...

... am I THEN considered a "Hard Working American" who doesn't have to worry about those "liberal intelligencia" notions of protecting our rain forest in South America, allowing coffee bean growers down there to cut out the profits of the "white man's company" middle men to help send their dark skinned kids to school, or avoid spreading good White Man's companies global control over genentically modified food crops every place?

Good hard working white folk I guess don't need to worry about such things and don't have the time to when we're working so hard!...

[Leftist Agitator]

88. Get coffee at a McDonalds drive through.

That's what the real blue-collar folk do, at least where I'm from.

[Divernan]

89. Go UBER elite - switch to Caribou Coffee & get the pumkin/pecan bread

It's more comfy than Starbucks - fireplace, leather chairs, bring your laptop

In this morning's LA Times Business section, the feature story is about Peet's Coffee, the chain that inspired Starbucks. The article is interesting, but the outstanding tidbit of information exists in a small box that lists the top 10 coffeehouse chains in the United States, as of the first quarter of 2006. It's not a surprise that Starbucks is number one, with 8,000 locations (in the US). But what was surprising to me is that the second largest chain is Caribou Coffee, with 322 locations.

The second largest coffeehouse chain in the US trails number one Starbucks by 7,700 locations. That is scary. The entire list of the top ten shows just how HUGE-mungous Starbucks is:

Starbucks - 8,000
Caribou Coffee - 322
Tim Horton's - 292
Coffee Bean & Tea Leaf - 213
Coffee Beanery - 200
Seattle's Best - 160 (which happens to be a subsidiary of Starbucks!)
Peet's Coffee - 112
Tully's - 100
Dunn Bros. Coffee - 85
Port City Java - 55

[sfam]

90. Caribou Coffee has the comfiest chairs...BTW, its "pumPkin" with a "P" as in fantasypumpkins.com

Why is this important to me? 'cause all my pumpkin carvings are at fantasypumpkins.com....people continually complain they can't find the site for just that reason. :)

But I haven't tried the pumpkin bread at Caribou. I'll give it a go.

[DemVet]

93. To be truthful, Starbucks has shitty coffee.

I can't believe people get duped into buying that crap. I guess fashion and people's pride gets in the way.

[sfam]

94. And um, Dunkin' Donuts coffee tastes better???

Is this what you're sayin? Well, are ya?