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ps1074 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:57 AM
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UN - FUCKING - BELIEVABLE
Take a look at candidate's web sites today. On Keryr's web site there is not a single word about Bush.

Bush's site has nothing about him but only Kerry bashing.

This from a president that says result matter.

Un fucking believable

Kerry's site


Bush's site
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DemExpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:59 AM
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1. One word....."pathetic"....seems to me....
:puke:

DemEx
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:59 AM
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2. What else can they do?
They can't run on Bush's record. *holes
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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:00 PM
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3. Like I said it's all they got left!!
bash kerry bash kerry they got NOTHING to run on.
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cprise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:01 PM
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4. Bush site looks just like a tabloid!
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Literate Tar Heel Donating Member (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:15 PM
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11. that makes sense
it's about all his base is capable of reading and comprehending

the comparison between the two sites pretty much says it all though ... whatever happened to Bush and Cheney running on their record?? it would appear from their site that their record consists solely of the ability to throw mud at other people
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:02 PM
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5. Someone should maintain screenshots of each over the next 90 days
Would be very telling.
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:04 PM
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6. Good!
Kerry's is a message of hope and possibility. I know people have complaining that Kerry isn't coming out strong enough against Bush, but after much observation, I have come to the conclusion that Kerry is running an extremely smart campaign (take that for what it's worth). They have been countering almost all the negative Bush stuff in an almost glib, off-the-cuff way, so it doesn't come across as a counter attack. They are rising above all the pettiness.

Bush has absolutely nothing to run on, so he must attack Kerry. I know attack campaigns are somewhat successful, but it is going to backfire on Bush bigtime. More and more, the Bushies are going to look ugly and spiteful. I almost can't wait for the RNC convention. I don't think the uglier factions of the Republican Party are going to be able to contain themselves, and it's going to hurt Bush.
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Beware the Beast Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:48 PM
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15. Spot on!
Back in 92, I thought Clinton really took the high road by running a clean campaign, while Poppy did nothing but sling mud. That, among many other things, swayed my 18-year-old mind to vote for the Big Dog.
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tomfodw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 01:58 PM
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16. Spare us this kind of "success"
Attack campaigns are "successful" only in the narrowest of possible terms. They tend to drive up the negatives of both candidates, and they also tend to seriously depress turnout. I know politics is a serious business and no one without a stomach for a fight should try to contend. But is it really only about winning regardless of the cost?

I hope Kerry prepares to go negative but actually goes negative only to the minimal extent he has to. Tit-for-tat, in other words. No-first-use, in other words. Be prepared to respond if attacked - so prepared that perhaps the other side will blink first.

Yeah. Right.

Sigh. This is going to turn into one u-u-u-u-ugly campaign.




TNB

http://www.livejournal.com/users/tomfodw/
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Imalittleteapot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:06 PM
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7. Extreme Makeover? Just what Bush needs.
If they'd stop the Kerry bash, they might have a chance to keep some Repub votes. The Republicans that I am close to do not approve of their pitiful tactics.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:15 PM
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10. Thanks for the info. They are right on schedule for self destruction.
:evilgrin: I also think that Kerry is wise....Keeping to the high road is the road to the White House. The people are tired of plastic turkeys. :dem:
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:06 PM
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8. Petty and putrid
Good catch.
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Salviati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:11 PM
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9. Is that the best they can do?
Pathetic!
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Bush was AWOL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:35 PM
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12. Make this campaign into a we're positive you're negative
because it will diminish the negative attacks from the right.
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mark11727 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:37 PM
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13. If Kerry's website doesn't mention Bush,
and Bush's website doesn't mention Bush...

...what the hell way to campaign is THAT?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 12:37 PM
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14. This is really desperate.
They have nothing, so they do this. It's going to backfire.
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democratreformed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 02:02 PM
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17. It's actually quite hilarious.
Edited on Fri Jul-30-04 02:22 PM by democratreformed
The front page of the Republicans' campaign website is plastered with pictures of Democrats. That's pretty funny.
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AngryLizard Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 02:14 PM
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18. They just broke the 3rd rule of campaigning
NEVER repeat your opponents name over and over. They should be minimalizing the democrats as much as possile, and instead there are like, what, 6 pictures of democrats on their website? The Wingers are in full freak-out implosion mode.

Bee-YOU-TI-FULL!

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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 02:33 PM
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19. Even the Repukes analyzing Kerry's speech
Edited on Fri Jul-30-04 02:43 PM by Nicholas_J
He said that Kerrys speech and call to avoid negative campaigning during the period leading up until the election have leftt Bush in an extrememly precarious position. Brooks, the conversative on Mc Neil Lehrer was extremely firm about this causing a great deal of trouble for Bush in that if he goes negative on Kerry, particularly affer the image presented of him during the convention could easily cost Bush the election. Kerry was in fine form for his acceptance speech, as one would expect him having been one of the best debaters on the Yale debate team in its entire history. Kerry does not speak often, being a man of action rather than words, and this was made very clear during his acceptance, When he needs to speak, he can speak better than virtually anyone else, but he made it very clear without going negative that the president is all talk and no action.

Kerry's plan seems to have worked well, as national polling today has moved him from being two points behind Bush in the last poll at the beginning of the convention, to being fifve pointss ahead of Bush as of noon today.

With a large percentage of the nation supporting Bush himself as a person of conviction, Kerry's best shot is to agree with Bushh's motivation on Iraq, but oppose his method, making it clear that it may have been necessary to deal with Saddam, but there was absolutely no reason that this could not have been put off until Al Qaeda, the immediate threat to the U.S., was dealt with. Which was something Kerry also made abundandly clear last night.

Bush's attacks on Kerry may firm up his base support, but all polling evidence indicateds that going negative will cost him among the undecided, who tend to be much more moderate than Bush's core support, and frequently consists of conservative democrats.

Ont Tuesday, the ABC?Washington Post National Polls had Kerry two pooint behind Bush, Todays Zogby places Kerry 5 points ahead orf Bush, which is a net gain of 7 point in a national poll, while Rasmussens polls have Kerry three points ahead of Bush , a net gain of five points.


THe Zogby polls show little movement for Kerry/Edwards since their own last poll, but show a big loss in support for Bush, with most of the difference appearing as loss of support for Bush over the last three weeks (Bush Cheney losing 3 point during this period, while udecidededs moved exactly 3 points from five percent to eight percent). So the indication is that BUsh is doing something wrong in his campaigning.

THe Rasmussen polls show that for the entire period of the convention, Kerry has held the same lead over Bush, which is the longest period that Kerry has held a continual lead over BUsh in Rasmussens daily tracking polls)


Kerry's speech was written in longhand by himself, but much of it was polished by some of the remaining speech writers of John F. Kennedy.


The American public. and more importantly, the undecided swing voters have made something very clear this yeart, and the evidence of it can be found in the results of the Iowa Caucuses. The two candidates in Iowa, who were considered shoe ins for first and second place, both lost to John Kerry and John Edwards. The factor consider most responsible for this last minute turn around. The negative campaigning of both Howard Dean and Dick Gephardt.

It was very clear in the heartland that the electorate does not want to see negative campaigning at all.

Among the analysts of Kerry's speech last night U.S.A. Today noted:

And he offered a variation on Bush's campaign promise in 2000 to restore honor and dignity to the Oval Office. "As president, I will restore trust and credibility to the White House," he said.

Kerry's strategists succeeded in the goals they set for the convention: Projecting a consistent message. Avoiding public division. Limiting the bashing of Bush. (Kerry mentioned his opponent by name just twice.)

The risk is whether the restraint designed to appeal to swing voters might fail to energize core Democrats who are fiercely anti-Bush.

And whether Kerry strategists succeeded in their larger goal — convincing voters in such battleground states as Ohio, Wisconsin, Oregon and Maine that Kerry can be trusted to protect them in a dangerous world — is hard to judge. Pollsters were in the field the moment Kerry's speech ended to measure that.


Well some of the polls are in today, and they seem to indicate that Kerry's approach is helping him. BUe the polls have indicated something else, that Bush's attack approach is certainly hurting him.

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RamboLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 03:39 PM
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20. Tales from the Lunch Room Today
Those undecideds who heard anything of Kerry's speech were impressed. They were saying they're sick of the negative ads, so I'm sensing if Rove and * keep up this crap they may be toasting themselves. Kerry campaign should make an ad and run these snippets from Kerry and Edwards speeches:

First get a great narrator like Morgan Freeman or Martin Sheen to talk about whatever negative stuff * is running. Maybe a quick counter then run some snippets from these sections of their speeches.

Edwards: They are doing all they can to take this campaign for the highest office in the land down the lowest possible road.

This is where you come in. Between now and November—you, the American people—you can reject the tired, old, hateful, negative, politics of the past. And instead you can embrace the politics of hope, the politics of what’s possible because this is America, where everything is possible.

I am here tonight because I love my country. And I have every reason to love my country because I have grown up in the bright light of America.

Kerry: I want to address these next words directly to President George W. Bush: In the weeks ahead, let's be optimists, not just opponents. Let's build unity in the American family, not angry division. Let's honor this nation's diversity; let's respect one another; and let's never misuse for political purposes the most precious document in American history, the Constitution of the United States.

My friends, the high road may be harder, but it leads to a better place. And that's why Republicans and Democrats must make this election a contest of big ideas, not small-minded attacks. This is our time to reject the kind of politics calculated to divide race from race, group from group, region from region. Maybe some just see us divided into red states and blue states, but I see us as one America – red, white, and blue. And when I am President, the government I lead will enlist people of talent, Republicans as well as Democrats, to find the common ground – so that no one who has something to contribute will be left on the sidelines.


This would be one helluva powerful ad to counteract the attacks.


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