Bill Clinton Loses it in W. Va - Obama Supporters Think They are Better Than "Us"

[K Gardner]

I had to include this video, which has absolutely nothing to do with the OP

Bill Clinton Loses It in West Virginia - Video - Screaming at Questioner




Bill Clinton to W. Va: Obama's Voters Think They Are Better Than "Us"

Absolutely stunning in its hypocrisy. On the stump in W. Va., former President Bill Clinton said the following:

"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," he said in Clarksburg. "In West Virginia and Arkansas, we know that when we see it."

Clinton said his wife's primary challenger has "got so much money and it's a different electorate. It's a little more upscale and modern ... than those poor people in Texas and Ohio." In Clarksburg, Clinton contrasted his wife's appeal to working-class people with the elitists he says support Obama. He made the same comparison two months when he last campaigned in West Virginia, calling his wife's critics in the party "glitterati" and "elites."

Exactly WHO is playing by a different set of rules, President Clinton? Take a look in the mirror and those ever-changing rules, standards and goalposts. Who loaned their campaign 11.4 million in spare change and who is "elite"? And exactly what about the "poor people" in Tx and Ohio?

Hillary, her appearances under close scrutiny at present, does not seem to be overtly pushing the "us v them" theme (except in her unfortunate "I get the white vote" statement) as much as her husband, who is stumping in small, rural communities across W. Va and appealing to the Appalachian heritage. I do not say this in a discriminatory way, as I live in Appalachia and come from a family strongly rooted in this heritage. It is, however, a different mindset - one they are taking advantage of and exploiting. This tactic does nothing but further the racial and economic divides in this country and blatantly plays to ignorance.

Bill Pushing the Great Divide Across Rural West Virginia

Us v. Them

Published: May 09, 2008 12:22 am

Clinton shows strength in Appalachia

Gaining support of working-class whites remains Obama’s challenge

By Bill Byrd
Times West Virginian


The “largely working class Democrats of central Appalachia have a long history of empathy for unions, cultural conservatism (including patriotism, loyalty, fairness and concern for security) and economic issues facing families.”

“In that regard, the Clintons — and one can not separate the appeal of Bill from that of Hillary — represent familiar cultural values,” he said.

“The Clintons have also been better than Obama in identifying with the ‘us vs. them’ perspective of class that is a very powerful value in Appalachia.”

A SAMPLE OF CLINTON COVERAGE IN W VA

RIPLEY — Former President Bill Clinton will stop in Ripley tonight to campaign for his wife and presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton.

The “Solutions for America” event, featuring Bill Clinton, will take place at 7:30 p.m. today at the Ripley Volunteer Fire and Rescue Station at 337 West Main St., said Jessica Santillo, West Virginia communications director for the Clinton campaign. The event is free and open to the public. Tickets are not required, Santillo said.

Ripley is the final stop today for Bill Clinton, who will also make West Virginia appearances in Madison, Williamson, Wayne and St. Albans.

Clinton made campaign stops in Fayetteville, Fairlea and Athens on Thursday as the Democratic presidential candidates worked toward the West Virginia primary on Tuesday. Before arriving in Jackson County tonight, Clinton is scheduled to stop in Madison at 10 a.m., 12:15 p.m. in Williamson, 3 p.m. in Wayne and 5:30 p.m. in St. Albans.

Meanwhile, several hundred West Virginians waited more than an hour Thursday to urge Hillary Clinton to continue her Democratic presidential bid. Driven inside by rain, supporters packed the state Capitol’s Rotunda to see the New York senator during her three-state blitz in the waning weeks of the primary season. Gary Johngrass drove up from Lincoln County to join the rally. The Air Force veteran of the Vietnam War cited two botched knee surgeries at U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals among his reasons for supporting Clinton.

‘‘It’s mainly been because of her support for the VA, and for getting more benefits for Iraq and Afghanistan veterans,’’ said Johngrass, 57. ‘‘They’re going to need help as they start coming back home.’’ Her arrival delayed by more than an hour, the former first lady touted her energy proposals during her half-hour speech. She also promised the crowd that their state’s leading export, coal, ‘‘is not going anywhere’’ when it comes to future U.S. policy.

Clinton is expected to fare well in West Virginia’s primary on Tuesday. She has consistently outperformed Barack Obama among white, older and working-class voters in competitive primaries. With the nation’s third-highest percentage of seniors, West Virginia’s median family income is roughly $12,500 below the national median of about $58,000.

Obama is planning to return to West Virginia, though his campaign said Thursday that the details of his visit were still being worked out. He last visited the state in March.

They are not finished - not by a long shot. Although they are becoming noticeably more shrill and desperate.

[ChickMagic]

1. Did I hear...

uppity n word in there somewhere? Wow, I thought I did. From what Bill said:

"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," he said in Clarksburg. "In West Virginia and Arkansas, we know that when we see it."

[baldguy]

19. The DNC had rules; FL & MI broke those rules.

Now Hillary thinks those rules shouldn't apply to her because she's better than everyone else.

[Onyx488]

44. "Different set of rules" ha ha ha Bill and Hillary are the ones trying to change the SET RULES

1. FL & MI ( I know dead horse)
2. 2270 is the winning # not 2025
3. "If we had republican rules, I would have won already." HRC
4. "Barack Obama played the race card on me, ...I shouldn't have to take that shit!" B.C.
5. "Whites vote for me, I have a wider base" HRC
6. "Pleged delagates can change their mind" HRC
7. "I have the popular vote"...if you count FL & MI and take away all the states Obama won HRC
8. "Only the states I've won count" HRC


Hmmm Shame when the "Stated rules" are considered the "different set of rules"

[PoliticalAmazon]

65. They are not going to be satisfied until the tear this party, and this country, apart. n/t

[Onyx488]

85. I think as Long as Obama continues to ignor her, but give her the space to bow out gracefully...

It will be alright.
If Obama or his camp attempt to put her out that will not go well for Him.

He is doing the right thing campaigning for the GE

I am actually beginning to feel sorry for the old horse. let her run a few more laps before she is set out in the political pasture.

[PoliticalAmazon]

89. Clintons have gotten WORSE with their bigot-pandering...

I think Obama is handling it well, letting her piss in her own soup pot. Without opposition, she will spiral into full-fledged KKK rhetoric. And maybe that will be what it takes for her diehard supportrs to finally say "enough with the bigotry."

[hisownpetard]

121. It's too late for her "to bow out gracefully." And there has never been anything gracious,

either, about Hillary or Bill.

They believe more in revenge than redemption.

They believe more in mocking than in mending.

They have become, in my eyes, very much like KKKarl Rove.

[K Gardner]

123. I agree.. she missed the "graceful exit" ramp and is back on the highway of destruction.

[Onyx488]

130. I hope Hillary's supporters recognize how gracious Obama is being with her. Ignoring her is the...

... Nicest thing he can do for her at this point!
As long as Obama stays away from her, and the situation, then it's a positive for him.

[mitchum]

118. Yes, "uppity ______" was being implied

DLClinton justs gets more disgusting with every passing day

[Blondiegrrl]

152. I love this Photoshop image:

Not my creation. Pretty much sums up the primaries, though.

[Erin Elizabeth]

162. OMG I LOVE that picture!!!

:rofl:

They hatin.

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[Divernan]

158. Wonder what all the Mountaineers think of Bill's "bespoke" suit?

[theHandpuppet]

196. Please explain that comment

As a West Virginian, I'd love to see how many of us you are painting with that bigot brush of yours.

[hisownpetard]

3. Jeeez. who's writing his speeches these days, The Onion??

[cui bono]

54. No. Same person who writes Bush's hyprocitical bulllshit. n/t

[PoliticalAmazon]

67. The SDs and the DNC won't react well to this. They were supposed to tone it down....

I cannot possibly imagine what their agenda is at this point, but it sure seems like they are hell-bent on tearing this party, and our country, apart.

[Limelight]

194. I heard someone suggest...

That she's the October surprise. Her and Bill run as "Independents" ala Lieberman, which means they need to tear away as much support as they can now. That's in addition to the "f*ck up Obama so he loses so I can run again in 2012" scenario.

Whatever it is it's gonna blow up in her face. Unfortunately that means the party might just wind up collateral damage in the explosion.

[ORDem]

174. Bill just really seems to be losing it all over this primary season. Hillary's undoubtedly

got him on a short leash and he's frustrated.

:dem:

[global1]

4. Looks Like The Clintons' Are Campaiging Hard In West Virginia.....

to force voters to support Obama and move away from them.

I think that the Clintons' have been too much influenced by the present 'bizarro world' administration. Looks like they have drunk the kool aid.

[K Gardner]

7. It is amazing to read the comments under some of these news articles from W. Va. They certainly

DO have their "base" there. It is somewhat frightening.

[DefenseLawyer]

5. The Clinton view of politics

Has always been essentially the same as the Nixon view of politics: Fight to the death, by any means necessary and hope when the dust settles you have 51 to the other side's 49.

[ShortnFiery]

17. True. The Clintons have played "Southern Strategy" throughout their political lives.

Hillary: 'SPADE WORK' (Clinton racist code words)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRwZQLdhEw

[PoliticalAmazon]

91. Hillary's next move: To run for Grand Drago of the KKK. n/t

[Mme. Defarge]

6. Reminds me of the great Doc Holiday line

in "Tombstone" -- "I have not yet begun to defile myself."

Played brilliantly by Val Kilmer.

[K Gardner]

9. I LOVED that line, ROFL !!

[Mme. Defarge]

24. Yes, Hillary,

you are a very good woman… then again, you may be the Antichrist.

[Mme. Defarge]

48. "Make no mistake, it's not revenge he's after.

It's a reckonin'."

[DefenseLawyer]

14. "It appears my hypocrisy knows no bounds"

Classic.

[Mme. Defarge]

119. One of the greatest screenplays of all time -- n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

127. Hillary to Mark Penn:

Christ! It's like I'm playin' cards with my brother's kids!

[AtomicKitten]

15. a brilliant performance indeed

"I'm your huckleberry."

[Mme. Defarge]

27. The shoot-out at the "OK" Corral ...

May 20th, Oregon & Kentucky.

[JackORoses]

31. Clinton's our Racist Huckleberry...

She's no Daisy, no Daisy at all

[DemVet]

76. Neither is Michelle "Proud of her country" Obama

[JackORoses]

78. Go Hillary! White Power!!!

:sarcasm:

[DemVet]

88. Heaven forbid...

...someone actually goes after the white, I mean black, vote.

[Leopolds Ghost]

114. Is there something supposed to be bad about photo showing two American civil rights pioneers?

[frylock]

120. only if you're a racist peckerwood..

and they've been crawling out of the peckerwoodwork all week long.

[Freedom Train]

172. Getting black support = Good

Getting white support = bad.

At least according to the racist Obama supporters.

[NOLALady]

186. Michelle is not running for POTUS.

[Leopolds Ghost]

113. Only Huckabee is no racist. Compasre the McCain/Huckabee wind-down

It's sad to see the difference.

[PoliticalAmazon]

69. Kilmer was incredible. Never thought a "lunger" could be so sexy. n/t

[EmeraldCityGrl]

8. WOW!

THE IRAQ WAR, HEALTHCARE, THE ECONOMY...she loses on the three issues that will matter to voters in the GE.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

10. Actually, President Clinton, the correct phrase is better than "we". nt

[redqueen]

26. Right you are...

and I'm certain he knows that... pandering to the under-educated, perhaps?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

30. He totally lays on the Bubba schtick with certain audiences

It's so annoying. I have seen the man speak, on more than one occasion, at high dollar donor events and there was no evidence of it.

[redqueen]

34. Well in fairness... I do the same thing.

Born & raised Texan, and I was taught at my first job (telemarketer) to speak without an accent, cause it might turn off potential customers. Ever since then, I have used the "phone voice" when in professional settings, and revert to my normal way of speaking in more casual settings.

I don't forget grammar though. Well... not too much. I do say "ain't". :P

So... maybe it's a natural thing.

Still... can you imagine how much the incessant whining would increase if Obama or his wife consistently insulted Hillary's supporters like this?

:banghead:

[The Night Owl]

110. LOL! Yes... I'm sure that Bill Clinton consciously chose...

...to use the grammatically incorrect phrase. Everything is a calculation and everything is a conspiracy.

:eyes:

So silly.

[redqueen]

111. Read post 34. (nt)

[Arugula Latte]

11. Not snark, here ... I seriously think that bypass damaged his brain.

It's scientifically documented that a lot of post-bypass patients have increased anger and depression issues. Something is wrong with Bill Clinton's brain.

[liberaldem4ever]

25. My husband had double bypass surgery at age 46

And he has had anger and depression issues ever since, so I can tell you that can happen from experience. Bill Clinton doesn't even seem like the same person he was in the '90s to me. That is really sad to me cause I voted for him twice and I really admired him. Not anymore. :-(

[Arugula Latte]

28. Wow, I'm sorry to hear that about your husband...

Must be hard for both of you... :hug:

[liberaldem4ever]

Thank you

He is better now, but he's really hard headed. He won't quit smoking and won't listen to doctors or me or anybody else. It really makes me sad. :cry:

[Catherina]

57. I've heard that explanation before but didn't know if I should believe it

Thanks for vouching for it. That's really sad generally and very sad in this case.

Sorry to hear about your husband.

[liberaldem4ever]

59. Thanks Catherina

[high density]

29. I agree

The first time that idea came up I kind of discounted it, but with these latest comments I'm beginning to believe that bypass surgery changed him in some way.

[Raine]

140. I agree, this happened to my BF's father

he was never the same not only anger and depression but premature dementia.

[Warren DeMontague]

12. Oh, I just love it when he starts wagging that finger.

:eyes:

[Arugula Latte]

13. Maybe Hillary can scold us while Bill wags his finger at us.

It'll be a two-fer!

:eyes:

[PoliticalAmazon]

71. OH PUKE. I bet you're psychic, and this will be the next Clinton tactic. n/t

[Webster Green]

16. This is sad to watch..

I once had respect for the "Big Dawg", but he is just making an ass of himself lately. :thumbsdown:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. As Abe Lincoln said of one his opponents..

“He reminds one of the man who murdered both his parents, and then pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan.” - Abraham Lincoln

[K Gardner]

20. Ya just gotta laugh :-)

[TexasObserver]

21. If the sorry SOB had resigned in '99, Al Gore would have become president.

What a different race that would have made in 2000.

Bill Clinton is officially Full of Shit, for now and all time. Please, someone put him out to pasture with the other horses that are over the hill and past any usefulness. Let him roam, eat grass, and produce manure, because that's what he's good at.

[MH1]

131. Yes.

That is exactly what I thought at the time.

Of course I was an Al Gore supporter long before it was cool, and always thought "slick Willie" seemed apt. (Kinda like in PA we call Rendell "Fast Eddie" and many Dems chuckle at that cuz they know it's on the mark.)

To be honest though, I did respect Bill for hanging tough. Although I wasn't sure it was the best for the country, but I didn't expect Al Gore to ever lose the 2000 election. (of course, he didn't, but that's another discussion)

[Raine]

142. He was too selfish and self-centered

to do that, Clintons always put themselves and their wants first.

Edit: added one word.

[merh]

154. What we see of Bill is the real Bill

Read his memoir (if you can get through it) -- do you know why he had the relationship with Monica while president, why he got that blow job in the oval office? "Because he could" - the hell to respecting his wife, his family, the office, the party or the nation.

I know folks hate it when I bring it up, but Bill was no saint as president (besides the blatant lies and philandering).

The no-bid contracts awarded to Halliburton in Bosnia and Kosovo set the precedence for like no-bid contracts in Iraq and the US.

The extraordinary renditions, he began those.

The "no fly zones" over Iraq, he continued Poppy Bush's policy to use our military to enforce them even though were illegal, not mandated by the cease fire resolutions and the UN even considered them illegal.

So much more, the point is, what you are seeing is the true bill - he just can't believe folks don't worship him as they once did and now this new guy, offers hope and change and steals his thunder.

The clintons have not been good for the party or the nation.

[ForeignSpectator]

176. You are talking about "My Life"? I couldn't get through it because...

...he had this theory to explain why he did what he did. I don't remember it exactly but I think it had to do with "I did it because I could" and something in his childhood where he was making up alternate realities or so...

And that was supposed to be the explanation for his adult behaviour.

As I said, I don't remember exactly how the theory went but I DO remember thinking how fabricated that whole thing seemed to me.
Couldn't make it past the first third and never touched the book again.

And now I can't even sell it anymore, who is gonna buy it? ;)

[TwilightGardener]

22. Wow. He's just nuts. First, Obama doesn't love America, and now this bullshit.

Fucking go away, and take your crazy-ass wife with you.

[redqueen]

23. Is this why her supporters can't say enough bad things about Obama's supporters?

Are they just following Bill & Hillary's lead?

Jesus... fucking sickening.

[dana_b]

32. well

I don't think he was some sort of raving lunatic in the video. He was obviously annoyed that she interrupted him and was defensive of Hillary, but not screaming or raving.

The second issue is different. He's not doing his wife any favors by insulting the tens of millions of Obama supporters. I stated that in my comments on that page. However I still feel that each candidate needs the other's supporters in order to be successful in the GE campaign.

[redqueen]

35. Yeah... there was no screaming.

Insulting supporters though... Jesus...

[K Gardner]

50. Went back to edit for better word but too late. I do think he was at least shouting :-)

[redqueen]

68. Oh yes... there was shouting...

he was upset by what she said, no doubt.

I'm more focused on the other part of the thread though... his insulting Obama's supporters. Seems pretty counterproductive...

[Catherina]

55. I don't understand his behavior. Does he not understand he's hurting her?

What will it take to get it through his head? It infuriates me to no end that he doesn't understand he's making people who support HER recoil in disgust. I'm beginning to wonder if deep down inside Bill doesn't have a misogynist problem of not wanting to see her become President. It makes no sense to me. I really wish, for her sake, we could turn the clock back and yank him off the stage so we could see how well she'd do without his help.

As an Obama supporter, I take no joy in any of this. I'd rather we had a 100% win on the issues instead of having an advantage because of Bill's nonesense. It's bothering me too as a woman to see her own husband hurting her cause.

[dana_b]

115. agreed. Maybe his emotions get the better of him.

I'd be pretty upset hearing people knocking down one of my loved ones, however he's in a position where he has to try and not let that get to him.

[renate]

125. liberaldem4ever was talking upthread about her husband's bypass surgery...

... and how it affected his behavior--which I'm very, very sorry to read about, because it must be absolutely heartbreaking for a spouse's personality to change like that.

She's aware of what caused the personality change, though. Maybe Hillary isn't--maybe she still thinks of him as the political whiz kid he used to be, and assumes that whatever he's doing on the campaign trail is actually good for her, in some way. I can understand how it'd be difficult for her to face the fact that he's hurting her, even though it presumably isn't deliberate.

I can't imagine why her advisers haven't told him to sit down and stop talking.

[KamaAina]

145. There is a school of thought that says he's trying to sabotage her

consciously or otherwise.

[Divernan]

157. And if HRC were running for VP, she & Bill would pull all kinds of passive agressive shit

to derail Obama. Two things you can say about the Clintons: (1) They're always there when they need you, and (2) they're always planning four years ahead. I don't believe Obama would let her on the ticket. Her high negatives would draw out a wide range of voters to supportthe GOP ticket, and also she/Bill would love to do anything they can to keep Obama out of the White House so she could run again.

She already has motive (wanting to run again) - why give her opportunity?

[nxylas]

193. That strikes me as the most believable explanation

I can imagine Hillary wishing he would just STFU, but not wanting to humiliate him in public by telling him so.

[marions ghost]

79. he was belligerent

usually Bill can counter with something intelligent. In this audience he obviously thought that just STFU would do. (Tired and frustrated?)

[dana_b]

33. delete - double post

[NJmaverick]

36. Poor Bill always willing to destroy his reputation for the sake of a woman

[Catherina]

47. This is very sad. Hillary is the one woman who's worth that from him

or at least should be and he knows it. It is KILLING me, no matter how much I dislike Hillary's politics, to see her own husband mess things up even more for her.

If Bill were within smacking distance, I'd smack him black and blue right now.

Hillary did good. I loathe her politically, will never forgive her for certain votes but DAMN she did good.

You know who fucked it all up for her? BILLY BOY

Hillary, for your sake, I wish you had left that man long ago.

[Beregond2]

37. Classic

sociopathic behavior. Accuse your opponent of what you are doing yourself.

[WeDidIt]

38. I cannot help it. Every time I see him wag that crooked finger

I cannot hear a word he says. All I ever hear whenever he wags that finger at me is, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinsky."

I've tried over the years, but nothing helps. Every time I see the crooked finger wagging that's all I can hear.

[elocs]

39. Bill is finger wagging--you know what that means.

It's such an endearing quality. I think he has turned out to be a real dud of a campaigner for his wife--he can't control his mouth.

[Catherina]

40. :( Please Bill. You're not helping her

I want Obama to win badly but I'm very sorry for your wife that she didn't listen to early advice not to let you campaign for her.

"In West Virginia and Arkansas, we know that when we see it."?

"Next thing I know, we’ll have an ad saying, ‘You gotta vote for me for president, I don’t steal cars.’ "


I never loved you Bill but today you broke my heart. Out where I am, we know racism when we see it.


K Gardner, I don't know about you but my sanity can't take this anymore. For the first time since this race began, the Clintons have succeeded in making me cry. Not for me but for them. In a desperate attempt to salvage something and not go down in history books without a win, they're destroying their own legacy. Is there no one close and trusted enough to advise them?

Yesterday a news commentator made a comment that by the time we get to Kentucky, we may hear "Segregation Now, Segregation Forever" from the Clinton campaign. I laughed yesterday but that was before I saw this comment.

You know the old Smith's song "That Joke Isn't Funny Anymore"? It's not Bill. Please stop it. You're hurting your wife's campaign, destroying your own legacy and hurting a lot of people who still want to believe you're better than that.

I'd done with you Bill. And I'm not going to fight with some good people you put in a very bad spot anymore.

I'd done with you Bill.

[JackORoses]

41. what a sad, sad old man

How the might have fallen...

From Leader of the Free World to screaming at an old woman in a High School Auditorium all in the span of a decade.

[ShortnFiery]

42. "They (the Clintons) PROMISED but they didn't DELIVER."

That will be the Clintons' Legacy.

[Bluerthanblue]

43. Oh NO... Mr. Bill...... you

need to step away from the microphone.

This is just getting sadder and sadder.



peace~

[Independent-Voter]

45. That's one crazy honky!

[annie1]

160. lolol. :D.

[malik flavors]

46. So he's still labeling Obama as an elitist when he's going to be our nominee? That's bullshit.

Seriously, i'm not one to care about this stuff, but he's going to far. The Clinton's need to talk about why they're great and not why Obama is bad. He's telling voters we're going to need in the fall that Obama is an out of touch elitist. What an asshole.

It's almost time to pull the plug on this Dino. Time to retire "Bubba."

[SOS]

49. "it's by those who think they are better than everyone else"

said Bill Clinton before climbing aboard Vinod Gupta's private Lear jet.

:eyes:

[Vinca]

60. I heard a report that he and Hill took separate private jets back from Indiana.

But, hey . . . they're just like you and me.

[cui bono]

51. Unbelievable. Still slinging it. Classic BUSHISM from Clinton.

"The great divide in this country is not by race or even income, it's by those who think they are better than everyone else and think they should play by a different set of rules," he said in Clarksburg. "In West Virginia and Arkansas, we know that when we see it."

Clinton said his wife's primary challenger has "got so much money and it's a different electorate. It's a little more upscale and modern ... than those poor people in Texas and Ohio." In Clarksburg, Clinton contrasted his wife's appeal to working-class people with the elitists he says support Obama. He made the same comparison two months when he last campaigned in West Virginia, calling his wife's critics in the party "glitterati" and "elites."

Um, Obama's donations are mostly from the general public unlike Clinton's corporate donors. B.Clinton is so wrong on this it's not even funny. He's clearing lying to the people, and counting on their being uninformed so they'll just buy the lies. Perhaps they would be Obama's demo too if he just lied to them like this.

This is Bushism/Rovian Speak at its best. They are outdoing Bushco now.

[eridani]

165. "The great divide in this country is not by race or even income"

That goddam REPUKE FRAME again! Why does that jackass not realize that those frames hurt EVERY DEMOCRAT, even his wife?

[EFerrari]

52. Someone has to step in and stop this cr@p. n/t

[marions ghost]

83. yes soon please

"Is this the promised end?" (King Lear)

[EFerrari]

86. "Or image of that horror?" Don't get me start on Goneril references,

because I COULD GO ALL DAY.

:rofl:

[marions ghost]

124. ha ha you get it

but Bill and Hill wouldn't, for all their smarts. The same fatal flaws, all through history...

we're getting to the end of this act methinks;-)

[mckeown1128]

53. There are so many racist buzz words in that mess of a rant...

unbelievable...

[tpsbmam]

56. That's IT!

I'm writing to Clinton. I supported him both of his elections, I stumped for him, I talked myself silly convincing potential 1992 Bush voters to vote for Clinton (and switched many of them to Clinton), I supported him though his many scandals (though I did criticize him for some of them), I was one of the many Americans who made it possible for him to get out of Arkansas, become president and make $134 million. I'm sitting down this evening and composing a polite but straight-forward letter to him. I've HAD IT with being put down by the Clintons. Won't say it in my letter but I'll say it here -- fuck you, Bill Clinton!

[K Gardner]

63. It would be nice if one even felt they would listen. I fear they hear nothing now but the sounds

of their own distorted echo chamber.

[tpsbmam]

81. While I'm sure you're right it doesn't matter --

I have to say it.

[Vinca]

58. Damn, they're telling me I'm rich again.

Old, white, (hard) working class, middle-income, high school graduate, Obama supporter here.:mad:

[livetohike]

61. I threw my shoe at the TV this morning - he's pathetic

I hope that when this is finally over, he retires out of the public eye.

[SeaLyons]

62. Say It Like It Is, Bill!!!

Bill Clinton can say whatever the hell he wants to.

Check the polls, folks. One half of the democratic party support HILLARY!! Just because DU is Obamaland, there is huge support Hillary. Deal with it!! It's not over 'til it's over. LOL

[redqueen]

75. Sure... but should he?

What would you be saying if it were Michelle out there, insulting Clinton's supporters for being something they're not?

[SeaLyons]

77. You're kidding me, right?

Michelle Obama has insulted the entire United States!!!! I have never seen anyone with a bigger chip on their shoulder than her!! Michelle Obama can go to hell as far as I'm concerned.

[redqueen]

90. No she didn't.

I wonder if you'll even be around this place after the election.

[SeaLyons]

100. I could say the same about you....

so let's not even go there!!!

[redqueen]

107. Uh, no you can't. I've been here for years.

And I post on threads other than those about the primaries.

Have you?

[davidinalameda]

170. bigger chip?

guess you never heard the story about a girl who was to be her roommate at Princeton

she was from New Orleans

her mother freaked when she found out that her daughter's roommate was black


http://www.ajc.com/news/content/news/stories/2008/04/12/roommate_0413.html

[muryan]

187. I'm assuming you know everything there is to know about Michelle

and what has transpired throughout her life. So any observations of a perceived character flaw would completely accurate coming from you, having such knowledge. Right?

[walldude]

150. Then why is she LOSING?

[eridani]

166. Repuke framing screws Hillary as well as Barack

Bill is no longer campaigning for his wife--he's campaigning for McSame.

[kenny blankenship]

64. Who is us? People with over ONE HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS in assets?

Help me out here, Bill.

[SoxFan]

66. A quick comparison

BlueDog: Struggling solo practitioner who lives in middle class neighborhood
Bubba: Net worth of over 100 million

BlueDog: Graduated from the University of Arkansas
Bubba: Went to Georgetown, Yale, and Oxford-all hog hat and no hog

BlueDog: Hangs out with salesmen, roofers, social workers, and software geeks
Bubba: Hangs out with Barbra Streisand

BlueDog: Spending "vacation" in Moline, Illinois
Bubba: Jets off to palm-tree intensive locales

BlueDog: Mini van with peeling paint
Bubba: Armored SUV and private jet

I'm an elitist? Oh, wait, that's right...

BlueDog: Voted for Obama
Bubba: Voted for Hillary

[K Gardner]

73. Priceless !! The irony is just beyond the pale :-)

[DogPoundPup]

70. ROVIAN RIGHT DOWN THE LINE!

Ah so...You learned well little one! (speaking of Hill & Bill of course)

[Tatiana]

72. Dammit, why can't he STFU!!!!!!!! I'm starting to think he really is (mentally) ill. n/t

[Eurobabe]

200. Bill is losing his bearings. Just like someone else we know. n/t

[The Stranger]

74. This fucking piece of shit should be helping Obama get whites, not fucking the party and the nation.

[Strawman]

80. I'm an Obama supporter, but Bill Clinton was right and the heckler was a moron

"She got in the White House and 2 weeks later you never heard anything else about health care."

Umm, no. That's not accurate, Ms. Cuckoobananas. Sure the Clintons (like every Democratic administration that's tried since FDR), didn't pass a national health care program, but they certainly didn't "do nothing." That's fucking absurd. I'd be pissed too.

[K Gardner]

84. LOL.. yes, that's a pretty poor statement. I'm more focused on his divisive comments on the

stump, however, that are getting wide coverage in the W VA media markets. :hi:

[agingboomer]

93. you're right - she was WRONG!

I'm an Obama supporter also. I also remember her working diligently and exhaustively to try to get health care legislation passed. Let's give credit where credit is due and call out those who are peddling false information.

[Az_lefty]

82. it's the Clinton's who have always acted like elitists...except when they run for office

then their just like George W, pretending to be some poor down to earth working class hero who's just trying to make ends meet. Totally phony...:puke:

[tishaLA]

87. Bill hates the "elites"

Natalie Portman



Barbra Streisand



Eva Longoria-Parker



Magic Johnson



Jack Nicholson



Ted Danson



Ellen Degeneres



Elton John

[iamthebandfanman]

92. only if by 'elites'

you mean anybody who doesnt want to or wont vote for hillary ;)

you know, the majority of the democratic party.

[kenny blankenship]

105. that's why their top donors are :

DLA-Piper a law firm representing businesses in "emerging markets", aka outsourcing multinationals,

Goldman-Sachs, the world's largest investment bank and private equity firm.

Citigroup, the financial services group that is the largest company in the world in terms of assets (over two Trillion under management.)

Morgan Stanley, a major investment bank and financial services company operating in dozens of countries with assets of 750 Billion USD under management.

Why, the Clintons is jes plain folks and would never hobnob with ELITES or elitists who pursue their own narrow interests by buyin' off politicians. The contrast with Barack Obama, that terrible terrible ELITIST, could not be clear. You might even say it's black and white.

[snooper2]

94. Bill probably knows...

that Hillary will divorce him after this is all over...he is bitter :)

She only needed him to get in to the White House, now that is lost dream...why stay together

[The Night Owl]

95. Responding to a heckler is what you call losing it?

I knew even before I watched the video that you were lying through your teeth about Bill Clinton losing it.

[LSK]

96. in response to the 1st video about healthcare, that woman is flat wrong

Hillary did work a long time on healthcare in 93.

[K Gardner]

101. I agree. I think it was his demeanor that has attracted attention to this particular video.

[The Night Owl]

102. Yeah... Bill Clinton went nuts on that lady. Someone should have called the cops.

:eyes:

[uponit7771]

108. I saw Sicko, she did STOP working though. It was gung ho for 2 years and after that nothing. Bill...

...can say he has millions of documents but they were never out front after the 94 election with Health care.

Most likely Penn told them to cool it because it wasn't attractive to conservatives.

[LSK]

109. "she went into the White House and 2 weeks later she never emerged for Healthcare"

Thats her exact quote.

She means once they got elected in 92 that they just dropped it and that is not true.

[nomaco-10]

97. Does anybody remember when these two.....

officially jumped the proverbial shark? How much longer must we endure their incoherent ramblings, salted with racial overtones? There an embarrasment to the party. Why don't they just go away?

[Danger Mouse]

98. Oh yeah, of course, Bill, all those elite black folk, right?

I've lost all respect for a man I used to consider great.

[uponit7771]

106. I cant believe what this primary has turned those into, if they've ALWAYS had it in them they hid it

[Cha]

99. Guess what bil, dude?

It doesn't take much.

[BlooInBloo]

103. The Hatfields and McCoys is kinda lS kind of a low bar to set.

[theHandpuppet]

199. And your comments throughout this thread...

...are examples of the ignorant, snobbish, class-driven crap which has earned so many Obama supporters the reputation as elitists. You have nerve even talking about bigots.

[uponit7771]

104. Bill Clinton tells America not to watch Sicko by Michael Moore.

[workinclasszero]

112. Hill and Bill are sitting on a 100 million dollar plus mountain of cash

and he has the gall to call me and my wife who sent 25 bucks to Obama "elitists"??:wtf:

What a f'in joke Bill and Hillary have become! Obama and the new democratic party he will lead need to cut the DLC right-wing racists out of the party like the cancer they are!:argh:

[FlyingSquirrel]

116. I would really love to know why it's legal for candidates to loan themselves that much

in a campaign. If THAT isn't "buying the election" what is? Elections should be about who can garner the popular support. Being a realist I recognize that money will play a part - but shouldn't that money at least be raised from your supporters, and shouldn't it be the case that if you can't manage to get that kind of financial support from the people, you shouldn't be able to just bankroll yourself?

[TragedyandHope]

117. Way to ignore reality, Bill!

Get off the stage. You're not helping.

[MilesColtrane]

122. He's the Bizzaro Jimmy Carter.

Unlike Carter, Clinton gets worse and worse as his presidency recedes into history.

[dcindian]

126. Quite honestly Bill most Americans are better then you.

At least in person on the internets we can be real slim balls just like you.

[Zachstar]

128. He lost it months ago.

I said he needed to b asked to go home and Clinton did not do it so oh well.

[whatchamacallit]

129. Well we are. (n/t)

[Bucky]

132. I'm the glitterati? Really--little ol' me?

Oh, Bill, you great big ol' polar bear of a flatterer!

[YDogg]

133. This has turned pathetic

[catrose]

134. Are they going to get away with this?

I was an Obama delegate in my precinct, and I promise you, everyone was working class. Lots of minorites, many involved in politics for the first time, but no latte sippers, just folks who finally had a candidate.

[K Gardner]

135. They'll get away with it in W Va and KY, but they'll pay for it in Oregon.

[Mme. Defarge]

136. Yup. n/t

[southerncrone]

137. HOT DAMN!

Here I thought I was just a working-class individual, but since I now support Obama--I'm an ELITIST!!!!!! Thanks for letting me know this, Bill!

Wow! That Obama is soooome special dude! Turned me into an elitist just by supporting him!
What a Wizard! He's a Magic Man!!



(Can Bill get any more ridiculous?)

[Major Hogwash]

138. The 9 super d's who endorsed Obama today will outweigh her gain in W. Va. next week.

Bubba made all those campaign appearences for nothing.

[Major Hogwash]

139. That's why they endorsed Obama today - to send a strong, clear message to Hillary.

It's over.

[DuaneBidoux]

141. Well, I DIDN'T think we were better, but I'm sure beginning to.

[Blondiegrrl]

153. LOL, my sentiments exactly. n/t

[Megahurtz]

143. Alright.

Something is looking really absolutely weird about this pair.
It's as if they have to get back in the WH and they are so desperate to make it happen.:tinfoilhat:

Something is looking really suspicious about these two by now!:think:

Stay tuned.

[southerncrone]

144. Yea, it seems sooo desperate that it does make one wonder.........

[catalinacat]

146. she was not the vice president or president

Do you people hear yourselves? Hillary tried to push health care through, she was given the mandate, she was not pres. or vice president, but she tried...this woman was criticizing Hillary for the fact the health plan failed, yes it failed, but she fought, against the republicans and the insurance companies. Hillary worked hard on this, even Bob Dole said she did - but you obamaniacs keep it up. Forget the prosperity we had under Bill Clinton. You loved him then, right, you voted for him, this fraud barry has you all brainwashed, you can not even give Bill credit for anything now. You are worse than the republicans = listen to you! Your feet must be killing you from all the shots you're giving yourselves.

So you cocky, big-mouthed people think barack is going to get in there and it's going to be a cake walk?? YOur going to see the changes he's promising? But he won't get in there, 'cause you lost us. HIllary is practically out and your still slamming the Clintons and her supporters.

You can't give him a break, and your democrats. He is defending his wife, she fought for it, and she fought hard. Do you remember how the rethugs slammed her and villified her after it failed? YOur doing the same thing to her now, how sad for all of you and the country.

Your complete hatred and dismissal of the Clintons and their supporters will be paid back to you in full by the failure of obama in the general.

[eridani]

167. The prolbem in the 90s was that Clinton was in bed with big insurers, not fighting them

Her plan was developed in secret with no public input, just the largest companies that would split managed care markets among themselves. Naturally, smaller insurers were furious and mounted the Harry and Louise slanders. Then what? Did the big boys then stand up for the plan that they had helped to create? Hell NO--they just let Clinton twist in the wind. And because she refused to organize a public constituency (which would have been hard because most potential members favored single payer), there was no one else to back her up either.

She seems to have learned the wrong lesson from 1994. The insurance companies are Lucy, she's Charlie Brown, and our health care is the football. And yes, they damned well will yank it away again.

[mnhtnbb]

180. Exactly right. The Clinton idea of health care reform was to give managed care players

advantages. It was nowhere near true health care reform. And the lady in the post-rally interview
is absolutely correct. The Clintons promised health care reform and they didn't deliver.

[reddconsole]

147. Right

They didn't deliver, but this rude beast is delusional when she says Hillary disappeared into the White House and never campaigned for health care.

I don't blame Bill for losing it. First, he gets turfed by the right wing his entire Presidency, then Hillary get turfed by Obama supporters, who are just as strident and nasty as the right wing. I'd be angry - I am angry: these assholes are setting the party up for slaughter in the GE. Obama and his cult have caused so many problems that Obama should be the one to drop out for the sake of the party and the country.

[proud2BlibKansan]

148. I never thought I would say this, but

FUCK YOU Bill.

[mcollier]

149. ATTENTION!!!!

I HAVE TO STRONGLY CAUTION ALL OBAMA SUPPORTERS WHOSE STATES HAVE NOT YET VOTED, PLEASE GET OUT AND VOTE WHEN YOUR VOTING DATE ARRIVES. THE RACE IS NOT OVER, SO DO NOT BUY INTO WHAT THE MEDIA IS SAYING. THEY ARE GIVING OFF A FALSE SENSE OF SECURITY.

IF THE MEDIA ARE ABLE TO GET OBAMA'S VOTERS TO STAY AT HOME, WITH THE FALSE SENSE THAT OBAMA HAS ALREADY WON, HILLARY WILL WALK OFF WITH THE NOMINATION, BECAUSE YOU BETTER BELIEVE THAT HILLARY IS TELLING HER SUPPORTERS TO GO OUT AND VOTE.

OBAMA SUPPORTERS, THIS RACE IS NOT DONE UNTIL ALL THE VOTING IN EVERY STATE IS DONE.
SO OBAMA VOTERS GET OUT AND VOTE, NO MATTER WHAT THE MEDIA SAYS, OBAMA NEEDS ALL YOUR VOTES, THIS RACE IS NOT OVER UNTIL ALL THE STATES HAVE VOTED!!!

[proud2BlibKansan]

164. I voted in February

[Blondiegrrl]

151. Unfuckingbelievable. The gall of this man.

How dare he accuse Obama of playing by a different set of rules! Obama is the one running a clean campaign. I sure as hell don't see him moving the goalposts with every single defeat.

I'm equally infuriated to see Bill Clinton claiming that Obama's donor base is composed of wealthy people when it's a FACT that Obama's fundraising consists mainly of smaller donations by vastly more people than Hillary's campaign.

Lying piece of ...

Hate him. HATE him.

[Cha]

161. Notice how rove and hilary accuse

their opponents of what they're busy doing.. hoping people are too stupid to realize it?

[Blondiegrrl]

163. I've never been a fan of the Clintons, but I'm beginning to

despise them more with each passing day. I'm also starting to believe the conspiracy theories that Hillary is trying to destroy Obama so she can run again in 4 years.

Good luck with that, I say. If Hillary gets the blame for destroying Obama's chances, not only will she not stand a chance as president, she'll lose her Senate seat as well.

[concerned canadian]

155. "the great divide in this country is not by race or income

but by those who think they are better and think that they should play by a different set of rules"

He really is trying to sabotage her campaign and that's a good thing, because he IS perfectly describing

Hillary, a veiled reference to he agreeing to the party rules in Michigan and then breaking them.

She's going thought the family fortunes like a spouse with a gambling addiction, dragging their

once stellar reputation through the mud; the humiliation of being the co-but of jokes and cartoons.

They're flying in separate private jets now, and Bill is one of the celebrity guests slated to attend

the 90th birthday concert celebration of Nelson Mandela on June 27 in England. Either he jumps ship

or has a massive heart attack (giving Hillary the sympathy vote...hmmm) by campaigning all over WV

like he was still in his 40s.

[nichomachus]

156. Tough talk from a perjurer and an adulterer

Hey Bubba -- STFU.

I'm so sorry I ever defended this dirtbag.

I came into this election not supporting anyone, but leaning toward Hillary. However, Bill and Hillary have turned me into an Obama supporter.

I just pray to God that I'm not forced to hold my nose and vote for HillBilly on election day. I made need a barf bag to do that.

[Political Heretic]

159. Bill Clinton has left the reality-based community.

[Hippo_Tron]

168. He and Hillary are going through the 5 stages of grief...

She's actually a step further. She's at bargaining, he's stuck at anger. Don't worry, before long they will both be at acceptance and fully behind Obama.

[barack the house]

169. Every time I think we might be getting them wrong they step it up a notch...

As Randi said if you can loan yourself 11 million you might be an elitist.

[Colobo]

171. I think Bill needs to relax.

[Freedom Train]

173. I agree 100% with our last (elected) President

I stand with Bill Clinton. One need only to take a look at the antics of the Obama supporters at DU to see that he's right.

[judasdisney]

175. Obama SAYS he's not a Muslim... "I take him at his word"

Ooooooh.... yeah

[LaurenG]

177. No not better, we just want better than what the Clinton's are bringing

I guess politics will always be ugly. Say whatever you want to win. Screw over at least half of the electorate while you're losing.

It's disappointing to say the least.

[Jawja]

178. Gee. And I

voted for President Clinton TWICE. I didn't think I was "better than them" then; I do not think I am "better than them" now, even though I support Obama. :shrug:

[symbolman]

179. Old man yells at cloud...

Bill...Bill!

Put the Finger Down and Move Away from it...

There's a Giid big dawg..

Have a woman shaped Scoobie Snack... Now.. Get the Frisbee! You can do it, C'mon Boy!!

Too young to be senile, but I get that distinct impression, maybe his wife drove him crazy, she would me..
:)

[Jennicut]

181. Bill, its time to shut now. You are damaging your legacy, or what is left of it.

Please, please think before you speak. What is wrong with this man? The man who once brought hope in 1992 to a beleagured nation, tired of Reagan and Bush and ready for a change? He sounds like a bigoted racist. I don't think he is, he is just acting like one because he is desperate. Bill, its over. Hill has to try to get the VP spot or move on. Tearing Obama down will not help Hillary in 2012. It will not help the Dem party at all.

[saltpoint]

182. What shitwork by Bill Clinton.

[Zambero]

183. Bill's take-home message for, uh, November

Bill knows full well that Hillary isn't going to get the nomination. So now he's looking ahead to 2012. Oh, and by the way, Obama needs to lose the general election to pave the way for Hillary II. What better strategy than to sow the seeds of doubt and dissention in the minds of voters now, so that they take full hold between now and November! Playing to the prejudices of socially conservative and less-educated white voters has been a part of the GOP's divide-and-conquer strategy all along. But it's not just for Republicans anymore! It's ironic that Bill retained a lot from his prior association with Dick Morris. Even though Morris can't stomach Hillary, his methodology of conservative posturing appears to be in full swing at the moment.

[WinkyDink]

184. Bill is wrong. The Great Divide is most decidedly economic.

[JimboDem]

185. Postperfusion Syndrome aka "Pumphead"

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_dave_lin_080428_invasion_of_the_pump.htm
Is America at the mercy of an invasion of the pumpheads?



The bizarre behavior of Bill Clinton during this campaign season, which has seen this once smooth-talking and politically uber-sophisticated campaigner repeatedly stick a foot in his mouth and undermine his wife’s struggling campaign, raises the issue of whether he is suffering from postperfusion syndrome—a now recognized cognitive impairment common in patients who have undergone heart bypass surgery.

Referred to in hospital jargon as “pumphead syndrome,” the condition, thought to be caused by debris and bubbles that are created and released into the bloodstream by artificial pumps used to circulate blood while hearts are being operated on—material that can block blood flow in smaller vessels in the brain, causing neurological damage--this recognized condition has been demonstrated in some studies to lead to significant cognitive impairment that can show up in as many as 42 percent of heart surgery patients even as long as five years after surgery.

[kevinmc]

188. Bill Clinton has turned into Barbara Bush n/t

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

190. This post is swamped with burned toast

The Obama supporters seem to think the white house is now theirs.Odd it is when elitist is mentioned Nixon politics comes right in. That kind of sucks doesn't it? It blows in that the great divide uses that one against the other.
And with all those short memories and no memory behind it ,it just gets worse.At the same time if you don;t face it ,than it remains buried.Or huckelberried.

Funny it is that short memories don't remember that republican swing voters are crucial to winning the white house and more seats. But with all these elitist around here that seem to think they are better that working folk that get their hands dirty at work -,you all don't need no republican swing votes because you all got it all down by yourselves!

I suppose if nothing else you all can at least start change! Start change, where did that one come from!

[JackORoses]

201. I agree, Hillary is Toast!

[LuckyLib]

189. The Clinton CringeFest is getting worse. Nobody has a rein on Bill and Hill is spinning out in her

own orbit. They're both desperate. Losing lots of good will. Give it all a rest, both of you. Go home and get some sleep.

[AntiFascist]

191. This is such BULLSHIT!!!!

The mass majority of Obama's campaign contributions come from relatively small donations, while most of Clinton's come from special interest groups and big donors. Clinton is continually trying to run on Obama's cred...

[invictus]

192. Angry, red-faced, finger-pointing Bill ... now that's a familiar sight. n/t

[IndianaGreen]

195. The Clinton brand is quickly going down the toilet!

To think I voted for that asshole twice!

[anonymous171]

197. Way to be a conservative populist Bill. nt

[lcdtelevision]

198. Clinton won once and lost once in WV

Clinton beat Bush in WV, by the way, cherrypicker.

[Skittles]

202. they do n/t

[Time for change]

203. That is so unfair of them and so disappointing