No it is not gloating time. More like puzzlement by Hillary's actions and words.

[beachmom]

And, I may add, supporters, who continue to cut down Obama, when clearly, barring a lightening strike, he will be the nominee for the Democratic Party. I understand that this has been a disappointment for Hillary supporters. If the shoe was on the other foot, I probably would take a couple weeks off the internet, and even the news. But I don't see gloating. I see a lot of celebration, and even threads targeting McCain (a very welcomed development). I also see calls for Hillary to drop out soon, given she has no chance of winning, and her constant attacks on Obama are only hurting Democrats' chances of retaking the White House.

Willie Brown said something wise on NOW the other day. He said Democrats who don't vote for the Democrat for president, because their candidate lost in the primaries, are stuck on personality, instead of core principles or policy. Everyone knows that Clinton or Obama would be better than McCain. Yet Clinton supporters are threatening superdelegates of voting for McCain if they don't back Clinton. It seems to me that instead of criticizing happy Obama supporters, many Hillary supporters need to take some time off and try to re-remember why they decided to be Democrats in the first place.

I also suggest reading this for a refresher course.

[enid602]

1. statistics

But Beachmom, statistics are statistics. I will vote for Barrack (despite being a die-hard Hill supporter), but many won't, given this very hotly contested and almost dead even struggle. Only a unity ticket will create a coalition broad enough to defeat a good showing by McCain. Of course, given our experience with 7+ years of Bush, McCain will hopefully not have a good showing this year. But you never know.

[crankychatter]

5. That's just like saying "I'm not prejudiced but OTHER White people won't vote for Obama"

it's still a threat

and it's still BS

[enid602]

9. race

Hint: don't make it all about race; victims don't tend to win the POTUS. Then again, maybe it's premature to think Team Obama is ready to broaden its base.

[beachmom]

13. Hillary's base is not broad. She has lost the AA vote for good. She is unelectable.

I say this based on conversations I have had. Her despicable remarks have been replayed over and over again on TV yesterday and today. She won't get them back.

[enid602]

15. base

So whites should not support Barrack based on the 'typical whites' comment as well? You and I both know he's not a racist; neither is Hill. I don't doubt that Obama has a decided edge in African American support; I think he's worked hard for it. If he's happy with his current base, so be it. But I'd like to see a candidate that can win. With Hill on his team, he can win.

[crankychatter]

14. I used that as an example of your flawed logic... off topic

it's the precise same argument... you... are threatening US... with THEM

I say... you ARE them.

it serves the DLC and Clinton Camp to keep the party small... to retain power

Obama camp are the one's bringing in the new blood and broadening the tent

you're wrong on both counts

[enid602]

16. response

I'll respond to your comment when I can decipher it.

[beachmom]

6. Well, she did not convince Democratic primary/caucus voters. They chose Obama.

And the incredible organizing Obama is doing right now -- a true 50 state strategy -- should give you consolation. Because that goes way beyond Obama. That means the future of our party.

[enid602]

12. true

True; he knows the rules, and has a good team. So does she. But let's take the lead from Obama; I think he'll show in the next couple of weeks what type of candidate he'll make.

[Saturday]

2. Did you complain when BO supporters "cut down" Hillary

while the race was on? No, I didn't think so. I heard 5 callers this AM on C-
Span say they were Democrats that would NOT vote for Obama. Obama has a problem.

[beachmom]

4. #1 -- Hillary was never the presumptive nominee #2 -- anecdotal evidence is not backed up by polls

Since you won't listen to me, maybe you will listen to Clyburn:

http://www.nationaljournal.com/njonline/no_20080509_6743.php

"I saw a Gallup poll today -- I saw the results of it, anyway -- that said that Barack Obama, at this very moment, is exactly where Kerry was at this point with white voters as well as with black voters. Now, what does that mean? That means, if he maintains that, and he does it in a state like Colorado, that's the difference between winning and losing. Any one of those states -- Colorado, New Mexico, Arizona -- that had been carried by Kerry would have delivered the presidency. Not to mention these other states -- Virginia, for instance. If you look at the white vote that Obama got in Virginia -- it was extraordinary. And the same thing, over 40 percent, in Indiana -- extraordinary. And so I think that we all really ought to just dial back some of this rhetoric, and let's start talking about what makes us all good Democrats."

[Saturday]

7. She was in the race for the nomination. She deserved

respect and very few of you BO supporters gave her any including calling her supporters cows and showing every photo shopped ugly picture you could find of her. Clyburn lost my respect when he turned on the Clintons while pretending to be neutral.

[MonkeyFunk]

8. Yup

when it was very possible, even likely, that she'd be our nominee, they tore her down with every vicious cartoon, right-wing smear and lie available. They're still doing it. They didn't care about "the party" then, they don't care about it now.

[beachmom]

10. You need to go read the "A**hole" post by Atrios and stop wasting my time.

I am not responsible for what other Obama supporters have said.

[gateley]

3. Seeing the political cartoons today,

she's become a joke. Kind of like Perot.

[truedelphi]

11. Doesn't matter. Once the USA attacks Iran

The talking heads will be referring to "Osama" and Barack "Osama" and it will never let up.

I'm hoping the fact that Obama did so well in the primaries means that most of us get our news off our favorite blogs -- would be excellent to see 89% of the country ignore the M$M.

But if the Powers that Be figure that out, the Internet will be locked down. No more discussions.

Maybe you'll still be able to order bed sheets from OVerstock.com

But political discussions will off limits.

[TragedyandHope]

17. It's a time for sadness

Hillary seems to be truly unwell.