What's the matter with team Clinton since Tuesday?

[oxbow]

North Carolina and Indiana were over. Soon after wards, many were signaling that personal attacks against another Democrat are off the table now. The greatest good of party and country are at stake, and it benefits both sides to focus on going after McCain this late in the game. But then, in quick succession we have Hillary telling a reporter that she can carry the "hardworking blue collar, white" voters and last night comparing Obama to George Bush Jr.! I know she said she would fight on, but I never thought she would actually be batshit enough to do it! Can their egos really be so big as to totally overshadow their sense of the dire emergency this country is in! This isn't about Obama or Clinton to all of us lowly proles, you know. This is our LIFE! This is our bank accounts getting smaller and smaller from trips to the grocery store and gas station. This is our medical bills piling up because our country can't provide for it's own citizens. This is our air and water that have been ignored and dirtied up for so many years. If the Clintons had the sense to get out of their own drama story for a second, they would see what the stakes really are. They're bigger than the Clintons, by God, that's for sure.


Hey! You're hurting other democrats and especially yourself now, guys! Everyone was content to let you take another lap or two around the racetrack if that's what you needed to come to terms with events. It's a historic thing to be the first woman to get so far towards the White House, and for the sake of your supporters many of us were willing to let the campaign grind to a halt on it's own time. But not if you're going to hurt our chances in November.

Look, there are people who want you out now but will let you pick your own time to do it, and then there are people who just want you out now. I like to think that I'm the former but if you don't stop with the slime ball politics, I and alot of other people are going to the latter's camp real quick. It's your choice what the endgame is going to be, but that's all at this point that you can control.

edited for typo.

[WA98296]

1. She is crossing the rubicon.

[cliffordu]

8. That's right. She will not stop until they are completely destroyed.

It's become downright embarrassing.

[bigtree]

2. well, here at DU

. . . the personal criticisms of Clinton are still overboard and obscene. Some of us among the 17 million who voted for her think that's 'hurting a Democrat' as well.

Until Sen. Obama actually achieves the nomination, there will continue to be an effort to define differences between the candidates. That's not an assault on the party. It's a legitimate part of the political process to air these differences in our Democratic primary. Neither candidate should expect the rival camp to back off of those criticisms until the contests have ended or they end their campaigns against each other.

[oxbow]

5. thank you for the well thought out reply.

For me though, what happens at DU (or any other online forum) doesn't really matter. There are jerks in every family, and each of the camps here certainly has theirs. There are also plenty of troublemakers here and in real life (just look at the unexpected results from 'Operation Chaos.' Who ever knew there were so many jerks ready to spit on the principles of this country by using the voting process as a practical joke?).

I believe in personal responsibility though, and Obama has pledged to run a transformative campaign. He has kept that pledge for the most part, I think. He keeps trying to focus on the issues, and the personal stuff seems to leave a bad taste in his mouth. Hillary is still playing the old gotcha! politics, though, as evidenced by the last few days of her campaign. The candidates are responsible for their words/actions, just as we are for ours. The fact that some asshole online has such poor impulse control that he can't act decently doesn't excuse Hillary's behavior in the least.

[bigtree]

7. He's still hitting her hard in his speeches

as is to be expected

[truedelphi]

3. Maybe she knows something that we don't know

This is the woman who stepped out of the elevator with General Petraeus the last time he came to Capital Hill. They had been having a good laugh while inside that box - at least that is how the photo of the two of them captured it.

The USA attacks Iran and all of a sudden, Barack's reasonable approach to Iran is history.

Instead, we are once again at war, and once again M$M is announcing that we should all support the President (And thus by extension those he supports - he has already said he supports her)

The M$M talking heads once again start insinuating that Barack is really "Osama" and that he swore on the Koran and that he is a Moslem. 24/7

The Democratic Convention comes along, and Hillary is jettisoned in.

[GetTheRightVote]

4. I think in the end it would be good to have them both on the ticket going into the GE

But also I believe what ever happens is hopefully best for the nation and gives us the healing abilities we so much need. United how could we fail.

[oxbow]

6. I beleive that Clinton as VEEP would undermine Obama

especially with Bill acting as advisor to the VEEP/former POTUS/whatever. The VP position under an Obama/Clinton administration could easily be as powerful as Cheney has made it now. It wouldn't take long for a power struggle to develop, and the news would just eat it up (think back on the coverage of the past year, and multiply that by 4). In addition, it would be hard to enact the transformative changes that Obama is calling for in our political process in such a toxic atmosphere. I think Obama needs someone who has experience, but is willing to sign on to the Change that he is envisioning.

That being said, I get goosebumps thinking about them running together sometimes. That would be the sexiest ticket ever! Can you even imagine the voter turnout?!