wright is not "a few reasons..."

[beezlebum]

you'll have to forgive me- i had eye muscle surgery yesterday and can barely see to type and edit. i know that what i am posting may not make much sense, as i am also a bit medicated, and while this may be largely grammatically incorrect and a tad incoherent, it is with fury and passion that i believe.

i've said it before, and i will happily say it again- If the WORST thing Barack Obama has done is attend a church with a provocative, truth to power preacher, then I, for one, am behind him 100%.

in supporting barack obama, i am conceding my far more liberal beliefs, but i am supporting the person i think will best lead this country out of war, into a better economy, into a new era of diplomacy and PEACE.

My moderate republican husband, who i've noted on numerous occasions to make racist remarks, having grown up in the deep south amongst a very casually racist populace, is behind barack obama 100%.

he is tired of war. he is tired of "free" trade. he is tired of dynasties. he is tired of lies and manipulation and obfuscation. he does not give a fuck about reverend wright. he even found it difficult to argue with the context, and admitted it didn't mean dick to him in the end, because what really matters is ending war, and healing our economy. period.

i am tired of war. i am tired of saber-rattles and hypothetical scenarios that involve nukes (read: FEAR MONGERING). i am tired of free trade. i am tired of "moderate" democrats, who behave like conservative, hypocritical republicans. i am tired of a petty little issue like "wright" still coming up from dems. and if the worst thing barack obama did was attend that church with that preacher, we are behind barack obama, 100%

YES, i KNOW wright will come up again during the GE, but THAT does not make barack obama "UNELECTABLE"- 100 more years makes John McCain unelectable, and i won't touch on the reasons i think hillary clinton will not get elected since it is my personal belief that she is no longer a factor in this race.

WRIGHT is a WEAK, USELESS ARGUMENT, and it can EASILY be overcome. it can't be easily be lost in the chaotic and furious storm of emotion that is iraq. it can easily be used against the person trying to make it an "issue." it is foolish nonsense, and so are those who continue to use it. the percentage of the population who believe that BS EXCUSE are the percentage who still fervently support bush. the rest are over it, or never had a problem with it from the beginning.

barack obama will defeat john mccain. wright or not. people are tired of war. people are tired of fearmongering. people are tired of




it's past time for a new day. give the bs a rest and help put an end to this fucking nightmare of a decade. one last time: If the worst thing barack obama did was attend that church with that preacher, we are behind barack obama, 100%.

[RaleighNCDUer]

1. K&R

[iconocrastic]

22. Methinks she doth protest too much.

[beezlebum]

44. ...huh?

are you proposing that i really have a crush on john mccain?

methinks you are throwing around idioms where they don't belong, unless you're trying to suggest that i'm actually threatened by or afraid of he whose name i have sworn off due to the lack of relevance in terms of the grande scheme of things, that is, the effort to accelerate to the end of an era- in which case, you're simply wrong and missing the point. still.

[Window]

2. K/R.

:kick:

[roguevalley]

3. K & R sweetie

[cliffordu]

4. Excellent post. Perfect graphics. KandR

:patriot:

[beezlebum]

20. thank you cliffordu

:hi:

[The Night Owl]

5. Was Pastor Wright speaking the truth when he described Louis Farrakhan as...

...a man of honesty and integrity?

[DearAbby]

7. Who cares?

Is Wright running for President? Go back and re-read the OP. and then stop and think about it...repeat as often as it takes.

[The Night Owl]

9. The OP made a statement about Pastor Wright. I am challenging it. This is how a discussion works.

People who do not want discuss Pastor Wright should stop gushing about how great they think he is.

Do not speak again except to answer the question I posed.

[PoliticalAmazon]

11. "Do not speak again except to answer the question I posed"--Here's my answer:

BLOW ME.

This is a public discussion board. If you cannot take a challenge, then perhaps you need to toughen up a bit or take a vacation from posting.

The poster to whom you responded asked you a question: Who cares?

Can you answer it? Why should we care about Wright's preachings? Should we apply the same test to ALL candidates' pastors? If not, why single out Obama?

[The Night Owl]

13. The OP brought up Pastor Wright. If the OP doesn't want to talk about him, then...

...she should not have brought him up.

I'll gladly take on any question or challenge you have for me, but only after someone takes on the question I posed in response to the OP's post.

[PoliticalAmazon]

25. Don't bother answering. Either you have what it takes to answer or you don't...

There isn't much of a reason to make up time-stalling excuses.

[graycem]

26. Have you ever heard the expression..

actions speak louder than words? I think Obama's life actions speak to his character. Rev.Wright's actions and good works speak to his character. Clinton's vote FOR the war and cluster bombs speak to her character. Those actions have FAR more consequences on whether or not Rev.Wright thinks Louis Farrakhan is the best thing since sliced bread. Issues like this is exactly what is so wrong and morally disgusting about the voting mindset in general. How about voting for something that might actually have an impact on your life or others lives. You know, the economy, the war, the job loss. Rev.Wright spoke many truths, a couple of things he said were questionable, but perhaps you're so perfect and have never done or said anything that could be considered offensive by anyone. Lucky you.

[The Night Owl]

30. Sure, everyone blurts out something stupid every now and then, but Pastor Wright didn't just...

...blurt out the things he said about Loius Farrakhan. The things Wright said about Louis Farrakhan were part of a speech which he took time to write and consider. Moreover, I have yet to hear Wright disavow his praise of Farrakhan. In fact, despite Barack Obama's claim that Wright acknowledges that things he has said are inapproproate, I have yet to hear Wright disavow any of the idiotic things he has said.

[graycem]

31. What exactly is it that you take issue with?

That his beliefs and opinions are different than yours? I'm still not understanding what's so damning? Wiseass aside, can I have an example of why even Farrakhan is so hideous? I saw fast Eddy Rendell lauding praises on him when it was convenient for his campaign. Is he as bad as Wright? Am I if I agree with anything Farrakhan has ever said? I am trying to figure out just how it is, that you're so moral. That anyone in this world is. Help me out.

[The Night Owl]

35. Louis Farrakhan in his own words...

http://www.adl.org/special_reports/farrakhan_own_words2/farrakhan_own_words.asp

[graycem]

36. Ok..

I still agree with what Rev.Wright said regarding our government. Senator Obama has said he disagrees with much of Rev.Wright's statements. Rev.Wright does not make someone unelectable by extension. That was the point of the original post. It is going to take much more than a Rev.Wright episode to make Barack unelectable. It was not, in my opinion, praising Rev.Wright for praising Louis Farrakhan. Are you a Hillary supporter? or you dislike all the candidates equally? or do you just not like Rev.Wright? Because again, guilt by association is a dangerous game, if that's what you're getting at. If it isn't, my apologies, it just seems to be the standard for many around here.

[The Night Owl]

37. No, I do not believe that Barack Obama should be judged by his assocation with Pastor Wright.

My only purpose in this thread to counter the assertion that Wright is a man of truth. And I think I've done that.

I am a Hillary Clinton supporter, but I plan on supporting whoever the Democratic nominee is.

[graycem]

38. Okie..

I will disagree with that then. I think that we've all been guilty of saying some things that are true, and some things that are not true. I also think that his particular past as a victim of racism has shaped his opinions and beliefs and I have no right to speak to that since I had the luxury of being born white. Like it or not, this country makes people who they are.


Anywho, good that you're voting for the nominee, the only relevant thing in November.

[The Night Owl]

39. Being the victim of injustice does not make a person's statements and deeds above criticism. {EOM}

[graycem]

40. It does explain them. n/t

[ekwhite]

41. Besides the fact that Nation of Islam assassinated Malcolm X?

I hate Louis Farrakhan for that, and always will, no matter what fast Eddy and Rev. Wright say. I won't defend Rev. Wright for that comment. If his attending a church with a preacher who sometimes said crazy things - mostly a lot less crazy than most preachers - is the worst association Obama has, then he is as clean as a whistle.

Let's keep our eye on the prize here - Rev. Wright is nothing but a distraction.

[beezlebum]

24. a reply to night owl

perhaps i should clarify a bit about my op:
i responded to another op or post last night that called barack obama "unelectable." when i requested reasoning for "why" he is supposedly "unelectable," the reply i got was "Here are a just a few reasons:...." and the "few reasons" was a link to a blog dedicated to the SUSA poll that had obama "down" b/c of wright. there was no substance. there was nothing to indicate the plurality behind obama's supposed unelectability.

i was quite disturbed, as i have been frequently this primary- that such insignificant issues are harped on, whilst war is being waged, while our young men and women, and innocents overseas are being killed and maimed, and more of the death and destruction is burgeoning and negotiated...

whether or not i agree with wright is far from the point of my OP. my point, once again, is that issues like wright should not be a distraction. my eyes, surgically scarred or not, are on the prize. my eyes are on the end of a nightmare. period.

[iconocrastic]

27. You think nobody will get killed or maimed if Barack were President?

If he doesn't have the judgment to figure out Wright, how will he deal with dictators?

[beezlebum]

33. once again, and for my final reply to anything regarding wright

apparently, not very many of wright's antagonists "have the judgment to figure" him out either, nor do they have the capability of understanding the paltry "substance" this brings to the proverbial table.

i don't believe barack obama is gonna "fix everything." i don't believe him a saint. but i believe that i have seen what others in the race are capable of, and i believe that unlike them, obama is open to the grassroots cries against war, and i believe that he believes in diplomacy- which every other "option" has spoken out against.

do i believe "nobody will get killed or maimed if barack obama were president?" to answer that, i believe he will make a much more sincere effort to put a stop to it, and i believe he will make the effort to avoid it.

[ekwhite]

42. That is not even logical

I suppose you think our CURRENT administration deals with dictators well. Or John McCain, with his links to the Myanmar dictatorship.

[The Night Owl]

28. Regardless of what inspired you to declare that Pastor Wright is a...

...man of truth, you should not have made that declaration unless you were prepared to stand by it. And you're clearly not. You're avoiding answering the question I posed because your instincts, aside from the ones which lead you to praise a scumbag like Wright, are good and you recognize that defending Wright is like walking into a minefield.

[DearAbby]

14. Here is my answer to your question

I don't give a rat's ass what Wright believes, since he isn't running for any political office. He has the right to believe whatever he wants to believe.

As for your rudeness...Do not speak again except to answer the question I posed. Kiss my cellulite infested ass.

[The Night Owl]

15. That Pastor Wright is not running for any political office goes without saying.

I'll interpret your response as abstention.

[DearAbby]

17. why does it matter?

Can you link me to where Obama has claimed to believe the same? What the hell does Reject and refutiate Farrakhan means to you? What more do you expect from Obama?

WHAT THE FUCK does this have to do with Obama?

[The Night Owl]

18. The OP declared that Pastor Wright is a man of truth. I want to know if the OP feels that...

...Wright was being truthful when he declared Louis Farrakhan to be a man of honesty and integrity.

I'm getting really sick of you Wright apologists playing this passive-aggressive game in which you guys exalt Pastor Wright and then act shocked when someone questions that exaltation. Like I wrote earlier... Don't gush about Wright unless you're prepared to defend him.

[The Night Owl]

10. K&R

[The Night Owl]

23. {the sound of crickets}

[annie1]

45. or when he referred to Italians as "garlic noses"?

[grantcart]

6. tks and good luck with your eye

can looking at GDP be good for anyone's eyes?

[beezlebum]

19. thank you grantcart

and i'm thinking looking @ GDP is certainly not aiding the recovery process

:hi:

[DearAbby]

8. K&R

[backscatter712]

12. That's OK. We keep bringing up Hagee and Parseley.

They make Wright look moderate.

[beezlebum]

21. absolutely!

:hi:

[me b zola]

16. Powerful OP

Wish that I could recommend more than once. :thumbsup:

[scarletwoman]

29. Beautiful! Excellent! k&r! (nt)

[bvar22]

32. Isn't it wonderful to live in America....

...where any American is free to attend whatever church he/she chooses?

....where religious litmus tests for public office are forbidden.

...where an individual's religious freedom is protected by the Constitution.

...where Church and State are kept separate?

[walldude]

34. K&R.. great post! n/t

[quantass]

43. Very good read...thank you.

:hi: