Why Obama is more electable than Hillary: HE WON.

[stevietheman]

So now can we come together and starting working toward Obama's victory in November?

[PBS Poll-435]

1. Dean was far more electable than Kerry, but...who won the Primary?

[cliffordu]

2. Not Hillary.

[PBS Poll-435]

3. Using what metric?

[stevietheman]

5. All available metrics. n/t

n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

7. What?

Huh?

If you want to go to the most basic tool, Clinton has a better outcome vs McCain than Obama in 5/6 polls.

It has been that way for about 2 months.

[cliffordu]

8. The poll I took with my cats show 2 in the bedroom,

three in the front room....

That means Obama wins by 3/5ths of a pride of kitties or one full cat.


Signed Sealed Delivered.

This poll is as relevant as any bullshit GE poll you can come up with.....

[Cieran]

10. Screw elections, lets let private polling companies pick the President! n/t

[Webster Green]

11. Polls on the GE are bullshit. We're still 6 months away..

Omama will crush McSame!

Bookmark this! :smoke:

[stahbrett]

22. If she can't beat a first-term Senator who is black, and whose name is Barack Hussein Obama...

She's not more electable. It's still mind-boggling to think that she lost the nomination - with her universal name recognition, a popular former Democratic president for a husband, tons of support from the establishment, tons of early endorsements, and yet... a black guy named Barack Hussein Obama, who's been in the Senate for just a few years, has beaten her! It must be very embarrassing for her, now that I think about it. She must feel offended that she didn't get the nomination - it's her turn, dammit!!!

[stahbrett]

23. Bill Clinton was in 3rd place in the polls in June of 1992

Behind Ross Perot and the first President Bush...

[MikeDJohn]

24. And without Ross Perot, Bill NEVER would have been Prez eom

[stevietheman]

4. Without any possible evidence, how can we know that is true? n/t

n/t

[PBS Poll-435]

6. I think it is self-evident.

Hence the media's quest to destroy him.

[PseudoIntellect]

9. The media's quest to destroy Obama since he meant real business has been obvious.

[psychopomp]

20. Yeah, sure.

[Wetzelbill]

14. no that's probably wishful thinking

He may have been as electable as Kerry, but far more? Kerry barely lost, well he actually won, but he barely lost. In no way could Dean have blown out Bush, which would have made him "far more electable." But Dean, in the electoral college, brought less to the table than Kerry. He would have been routed in the South, and probably would have lost Ohio outright and his anti-war stance plus the fear tactics of Bush would have hurt him even more than Kerry. Dean wouldn't have been swiftboated by the swiftboaters, but he was gaffe prone enough that something would have caught up with him. He probably would have been more aggressive than Kerry, but who knows if that would have worked for him in the end. Probably not.

[shenmue]

17. Bingo.

The noise level and the obnoxiousness of this campaign will come back to haunt you in the end. Bet on it.

[Secret_Society]

12. That is very flawed logic

It's a whole other game

[Rubiconski2009]

13. Hillary got her butt kicked....Fair and square

Obama has already begun pulling the country together, getting people to register who have been left out for decades.

The GOP has lost a generation of young voters and they will pay dearly.

[TexasObserver]

15. She's won under 15 contests. That's UNELECTABLE.

[VotesForWomen]

28. no, honey, you see, the GE and a democratic primary are two totally different contests.

[shenmue]

16. Um, not yet. It's a squeaker at best, you have plenty of opposition in your own party,

and a lot of people don't like your guy. Your side was gloating months ago. Of course you're indulging in arrogant fantasies. That's pretty much what you do.

Good luck living in the real world once this is over.

[H2O Man]

18. More importantly,

Obama is more electable than McCain.

[Ian_rd]

19. It pains me to say anything resembling support of Hillary's campaign, but this is flawed logic

Just because he has proved more electable in the primary does not mean he is more electable in the General. Democratic Primary voters are a different data set than general election voters. For example, just because Dennis Kucinich is electable in his district does not mean (obviously) that he is just as electable in a nation-wide contest.

I consider it possible that Hillary would be more electable in the general for two reasons:
1. She's not black, and there are probably a couple million assholes in this nation who would sooner vote themselves bankrupt and homeless before they voted for a black guy.
2. She doesn't have a scary name. Well, not as scary as "Hussein" and "Obama" that is.

On the other hand, she is handicapped in the general by more factors, some very significant:
1. She's a woman, and there are probably a million or more assholes who just just could not bring themselves to vote for a woman no matter what.
2. Due to the right-wing and mainstream media for the past sixteen years, she has always had a low ceiling of support due to the knee-jerk Clinton hatred she inspires, not only among Republicans but also many Independents.
3. A substantial number of the new participants in the Democratic primaries would be less likely to participate in the General if she won. Obama is the one who has really brought the new meat into active participation, and a Hillary nomination - especially now that it would resemble (if not actually be) an electoral robbery - would leave swathes of Democratic voters without the will to vote.

[psychopomp]

21. In just four months, setting the tone will be paramount

I consider the possibility that there are enough high-profile people in music and television as well as others in the mass media who will kind of act in concert to set the tone.

Events such as free concerts and appearances at rallies could help keep the media focused on the positive energy that is integral to the campaign.

[VotesForWomen]

29. thank you.

[samsingh]

25. somewhat convincing

[psychopomp]

26. kick

:kick:

[VotesForWomen]

27. another clueless naive Obamite who thinks the GE is the same as a dem primary.