Andrea Mitchell reported that members of Senator Clinton's campaign said they would quit

[my3boyz]

THIS WEEK if she does not drop out of the primary after winning in West Virginia! Rats jumping off the sinking ship! Bill and Hill would rather drown.

[tekisui]

1. I wonder what great news Obama has planned for tomorrow and Wed.

to overshadow the WV results.

Those campaign members may not be getting paid.

[babylonsister]

7. Maybe campaign contributions for April? nt

[tekisui]

8. That would do it, especially after Clinton Camps' $20 million in debt.

[roguevalley]

59. good for them. someone still remembers reality there.

[SoFlaJet]

2. I heard yesterday

that there were talks behind the scenes about her "going out on a high note" after tomorrows big win

[sellitman]

3. Going out after a big win saves face.

Good for her. I hope she is smart enough to do so.

I still expect her to stay in until the Convention.

[Wetzelbill]

13. I think that's a great idea for her

Get a win, acknowledge she's run out of time, take a victory lap, show some class and graciousness and work on cementing her legacy by helping to get the first black president ever elected and building a great career in the senate. Hillary is an icon, if she can put the negatives of this campaign behind her and say become majority leader and help lead a fight for health care and some of her other standard issues, she'll really be doing something special.

[closeupready]

49. This is one of the best ways for her to redeem the Clinton legacy.

Will she do this - probably not, but I would really hope so.

[Wetzelbill]

60. I truly hope so, too

That would be so great. You know, she probably could be more effective in the Senate anyway. She's well-liked, even by some of her husband's biggest enemies from the 90s like Lindsey Graham, and she works with lots of different people. The people of NY love her, she's safe in that seat as long as she wants it. She'd surely be able to secure a leadership position at some point too. But she's a lightning rod for hate. In the Senate, she can work around that because the people she works with like her and her constituents like her. As a president? She'd be getting bombarded constantly. It would be just like Bill was, maybe worse. I don't know how effective she would be as a president simply because some people and some media irrationally hate her guts. And they aren't afraid to shout it at the top of their lungs either. The senate might be the best place for her, in the end.

[ORDem]

46. She is trying to position herself to be V.P., but I hope the convention dels. are

not that stupid! Obama will cream McCain and pull in a lot of Dem votes in swing districts where we need them. Hillary would bring out the Goopers in droves and kill our swing district chances. Plus, can you imagine what a disaster she'd be as V.P.? All the time she'd be looking at Obama with knives in her eyes thinking that it should be her behind the Oval Office desk. There's no end to the mischief the Clintons would be at if a part of his administration.

:dem:

[info being]

52. Clinton as VP almost guarantees the CIA will take out Obama

He needs someone even more Liberal than he is for that reason alone.

[truedelphi]

55. I worry abt Obama constantly

IF he gets the nomination, will he live to see the election happen??

[pompano]

72. Well, that and.....

Bill's micromanaging should send chills up the spine. To the Clinton's I'm afraid, this would be nothing but Bill's third term, Hillary's first and Obama may or may not even be recognized.

Not to mention, it would be terribly unfair to Obama to have to endure the embarrassment of say another Lewinsky, Trooper gate, Flowers, Jones scandal, true or fabricated, haunting his whole term.
Obviously we'll never know the validity of those past claims against Bill, thats not the point, but it is a fact that Bill had to spend a tremendous amount of time defending himself against them, baggage Obama doesn't need. Bill, was for that time in history, a good President. He did some good things for this country. I have no doubt in my mind that Obama couldn't be every bit as good or better even with the absence of Bill and Hillary.

Now, on the issue of getting votes. Obama will pick up some R's and I's straddling the fence. Some Republicans may stay home. With Hillary on the ticket they will do anything but stay home. Conservatives have a genuine dislike for Bill and Hillary and they will do anything to keep Hillary or Bill out of the WH again.

With Barr lurking in the shadows, Obama can pick up the Presidency easily.

Thats just my opinion.

[AZBlue]

71. It also makes her supporters feel better about the situation.

It's a good plan for all Dems.

[Ian David]

4. Probably the same staffers responsible for THIS...

See prior thread:

OH THIS IS RICH! Latest Clinton Ad Uses Newspaper Clipping on TROOPERGATE!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5930322

[bluestateguy]

5. This is why Obama's surrogates need to keep their mouths shut

Give her some space. DO NOT ask her to drop out or attack her in any public forum. That will only give her an excuse to march onward.

[DeschutesRiver]

34. While I understand the necessity

when dealing with someone like this, every time I hear the saw about giving her space, don't do anything that she might consider offensive or an attack, blah, blah - well, it starts to remind me of a hostage negotiation by a swat team.

People have to walk very carefully around her, and try to negotiate as you would with an unbalanced, unstable person holding hostages. And I find that idea offensive - but whatever it takes to make her back away is fine with me. No one should have to be walking on such a fine line with a person who offered herself as a presidential candidate - it is almost scary, because it is what I think about dictatorships and the like - the inability to be criticized, the non tolerance of dissenting opinions, and for the rest, read a little history, which is full of these kinds of situations.

[grantcart]

37. have you noticed that they all seem to have gone fishing?

[Shine]

51. Exactly right. It's about respect.

She'll do the right thing in the end. I have faith in her. I also have compassion for her, this must be extremely stressful, disappointing and personally painful for her to deal with. I wish her all the best, truly.

[L0oniX]

65. Heheh ...maybe we all should encourage her to go on so she will go bankrupt.

:evilgrin:

[C_U_L8R]

6. It can't be a great career move to stay on.

Hillary can afford to become a pariah, she's got nothing to lose at this point.
But any staffer who intends to have a career in the Democratic Party beyond
this primary has to be weighing their options a bit more seriously.
They're in a really tough spot.

[ashling]

9. Link?

[hokies4ever]

11. Don't have a link but

it's most likely from her appearance on the Morning Joe show this morning, so maybe search for a transcript of it when it becomes available.

[my3boyz]

12. There isn't a link. Andrea said this on Morning Joe. It was

just before 8 am. I'm not sure of the exact time because I had paused my tivo as I was getting clothes ready for the day. It was probably around 7:40 though.

[ashling]

16. Thanks

I should have asked where this was heard ... sounds realistic to me, I just wondered when it was said.
:hi:

[Catchawave]

32. Andrea Mitchell sez, so it must be true?

Did she name names?

[greguganus]

10. They are probably tired of not being paid while the failure Mark Penn gets richer. n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

29. Do you have any evidence

that her staffers aren't being paid? This was a lie debunked back in February. I see it's back.

[Bullet1987]

14. It's looking more and more like this won't go to the convention...

[depakid]

15. I stoppped listening to anything Mrs. Greenspan said a long time ago

Might as well watch Fox "news"

[Doityourself]

20. Doesn't make it any less real or true..

[depakid]

22. It's called credibility -or the lack thereof

and it sure as hell DOES affect the probability of whether it's true or not.

At least it does to critical thinkers.

[Doityourself]

25. Sigh...the ever wonderful critical thinker that can't see the critical situation their candidate is

in...

[depakid]

27. Whose candidate?

Every post that doesn't either fawn over Obama or deride Hillary must automatically come from a Clinton supporter?

:sigh: not to worry, I've gotten that (from both sides) for months.

The bottom line is that Andrea Mitchell's known to spread unfounded rumors and propaganda or pick facts right out of her ass- and she's done so for many years.

Might be something to remember come this summer and into fall.

[Doityourself]

36. Well thank you for the info, I'll be sure to watch Mitchell much more closely as the weather warms..

lol..

Don't pick a candidate to support. Your life. Your choice.


C'est La Vie.

[JackORoses]

39. but you are a Hillary Supporter, why deny it?

are you embarrassed?

[Doityourself]

40. Nah, the poster doesn't have a horse in the race...isn't it obvious...

:sarcasm:

[depakid]

56. Curiously, your posts reflect the sort Manichean thuinking that's so common among Republicans

You're either for us or against us.... where have I heard that before?

Sounds to me like all these years of Bush and Republicans and the cowardly DINO's have had had a major influence on you.

Actually, if you watch the corporate media- they probably have, and you don't even now it.

[Doityourself]

70. If yo say so...poster with no horse in the race...if you say so..now where's that bridge

[Tatiana]

Well, she is the "reporter" assigned to cover the Clinton camp.

So maybe she does know something.

[crankychatter]

17. good Democrats... not "rats" - MHO - they know this is killing us in November

yep

[WeDidIt]

18. That's to be expected

Payments to staff have begun to be deferred due to a lack of funds.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. so her staff aren't being paid?

not good for team moral

[WeDidIt]

23. I don't know for certain

In most cases a campaign in heavy debt that is gambling on that one win that will turn things around will defer paying staff, though.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

64. she will only get about 10 dlegates in WV!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

67. she will only get about 10 delegates in WV!

[NJmaverick]

21. Considering that Hillary is 20 million in debt, I think they have to start worrying about their pay

checks bouncing.

[mmonk]

24. Why did they leak their intentions?

Best to stay silent unless they are trying internally to pressure the campaign to call it quits by the leak. They shouldn't embarrass her.

[my3boyz]

26. Perhaps they want to make sure she knows their intentions if she does not concede. nt

[livetohike]

28. I think they are frustrated and are looking to their own future

in politics. When Obama becomes the nominee, they would probably rather have a job (with his campaign), than not have a job. Most people look out for themselves first, in my experience.

[Yukari Yakumo]

54. Some are unintentionally doing so

I think I heard it from Cenk, but many of her high ranking staffers are now looking for book deals. This is a sure sign that they don't expect to be employed much longer.

[gulfcoastliberal]

75. I think Hillary has that one covered all by herself.

Embarrassing herself, that is.

[countingbluecars]

30. According to Sunday morning talk show

pundits, several of her campaign members are already trying to make book deals.

[Bucky]

31. 1- Not rats. 2- Not a sinking ship. 3- The Clintons are flawed good guys, not villains

Your mama would tell you to grow up, quit acting like a smart ass, and support your party. Your mama ain't here, so I'm telling ya.

[powergirl]

33. Clinton won't let the Daily Show reporters on her campaign bus - the end is upon us

http://www.politico.com/blogs/michaelcalderone/0508/Daily_Show_crew_cant_pierce_HRC_bubble.html

"The crew, from the network's hit faux news program "The Daily Show," showed up at a Sunday night rally at a middle school gym in Eleanor, W.V., apparently intending to film a segment about the media coverage of the campaign.

"A Comedy Central crew also recently flew on Barack Obama's campaign plane for the segment.

"The crew at Clinton's Sunday night rally, which included Daily Show correspondent Jason Jones, shot footage of Jim Axelrod, CBS News' White House correspondent.

"A member of the crew told Politico that the Clinton campaign at first offered Jones et al a ride on its traveling press bus from the Eleanor rally to the Charleston hotel where the press and campaign staff is staying. But the campaign later reneged, according to the crew member."

[Ichingcarpenter]

35. I think that is interesting news... I'm out of posts and this should be posted

The hardest working news team on TV gets thrown off the bus.
I bet The Daily Show has a comment to say about that on their program

[powergirl]

42. I'm all out too!

I hope someone posts this also. pretty funny!

[Ian David]

38. Bush isn't anti-gay enough for Phelps?

Protesters from Topeka, Kansas, hold signs as a bus with guests drives to the wedding of President George W. Bush's daughter, Jenna Bush and her fiance, Henry Hager, in Crawford, Texas, May 10, 2008. Bush and Hager are scheduled to wed this evening at Bush's Central Texas ranch.
(Larry Downing/Reuters)

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Jenna-Bush-White-House-President-George-W-Bush-Crawford2C-Texas-first-lady-Laura-Bush/ss/events/us/042408jennabush/s:/ap/jenna_bush_wedding/im:/080511/photos_ts/2008_05_11t003318_450x321_us_bush_wedding/

[rodeodance]

41. yeah yeah--and there was a rumor that Wes told Hill to drop out. It had to be RETRACTED--DU is

the biggest rumor mill on the internet!! Rove loves yah.

[OzarkDem]

43. After winning a state primary race, she should drop out?

Especially when she'll win KY also on May 20?

Either Mitchell is mistaken or Clinton needs to hire better staff next time.

[nichomachus]

44. There will be no next time n/t

[quiet.american]

45. The thing is, they will be symbolic victories that won't make a wit of difference to her prospects.

To me it's like aiming to be a millionaire and buying a couple scratch-off lotto tickets hoping for a win -- let's say I win $25 on each ticket -- sure, I'm a winner, but those two small wins still leave me a long way to go -- and that's all I've got.

[AllentownJake]

47. There will be no next time

We aren't going anywhere if anything there will be more of us "next time" if there ever is one.

[Diane R]

48. Oh yes. Because West Virginia and Kentucky are such important states.

[Renew Deal]

68. She'll win WV, and KY and lose everything else.

It's not all sunshine for Hillary.

[Shine]

50. No matter what, it's very important for Team Obama to be respectful

and continue to take the high road, even as the media has obviously shifted in his direction.

I believe Hillary will do the right thing, in the end.

I wish her all the best as she comes to this very painful and personally disappointing conclusion.

[sfam]

57. The MSM is already circling like a pack of sharks...Clinton will be pushed...

This will look to Clinton supporters like Obama is behind it. I really don't see a graceful ending unless its the day after WV. Anything later and it gets ugly.

[Shine]

62. It makes sense to me that she'd want to wait til she wins WV and KY

let her go out on a high-note win. Good for her. I can totally respect that.

I trust Hillary will do the right thing.

[Imagevision]

69. I agree, it's wiser for Hillary to go out a winner in something

[DeschutesRiver]

53. 20 million in debt and

McAuffie suggests that payroll might not be this week.

How many ways are there to say the campaign is insolvent? And that nobody is contributing money in the amounts necessary to make her campaign keep its doors open? I am sure working for free on a losing cause is causing much angst amongst her staff, and I don't really blame them.

Somebody has to call this race over - maybe her people are more in charge of things than she is, and will make the call by leaving in droves in the next couple of weeks. When you can't even pay people anymore, and the numbers aren't there, then it is expecting a lot of folks to stay by your side just because you have an ego issue.

[Lerkfish]

58. really? that's bizarre if true

[SoCalDem]

61. let 'em..

Knowing them, they'll find something to grab onto, to stay afloat..

Inflated egos may provide some flotation too

[VotesForWomen]

63. What? i thought the MSM was shilling for Hillary?? guess not.

[Renew Deal]

66. At this point, might as well go to June 3.

Just don't act like an idiot.

[Major Hogwash]

73. Or January 3rd for that matter!

I don't buy the People magazine, but I just read Hillary's hillaryous interview with People on page 189. Yeah, it's buried that far in the back, about 2 pages from the back cover. It's People magazine's "100 Most Beautiful People" issue, and I was looking for me, but nevermind that part, this is the good stuff -

They asked her "When did you decide to run for President?"

Hillary: "Well, on New Year's, Bill and I were talking . . . "

If you believe that, then you believe it was my ex-wife they used as the model for the Statue of Liberty.

But, to be fair about it, she didn't say what year she and Bill talked about it.
It could've been 1999 for all we know.
Because she's been partying like it's 1999 for the last 3 years.

Her Senate re-election campaign cost $30 Million Dollars.
She raised and spent $100 Million Dollars since the end of last year to be Prez.
She raised and spent at least $50 Million Dollars more this year.
She loaned herself at least $20 Million Dollars more this year.

That's $200 Million Dollars in just 2 years!!!

And Burt Reynolds thought that Loni spent money foolishly!

[Texas Hill Country]

74. what members? how many? what positions will the hold? that is a dumb statement

Obama had one that quit this week? so what? people come and go all the time.

and how do you even verify that? you cant, so she can say whatever she wants... she is reporting a rumor... that is all.