A conversation with two people.

[Neshanic]

I have become friends with a couple that are in my complex. They are in their sixties. They are everything that would define a progressive. In thought, in deed, what they do; they are both high up in a University and also teach. One was on the front lines during the Vietnam war and hung out with many names that would be associated with the anti-war movement at the time. The other is a feminist, and has the credentials to prove it.

I am a person of the odd years that gapped the 60's and 70's. I was in HS when the war ended. I like my friends are deeply distrustfull of the government.

We talk out on the patio over dinner many evenings about the state of things, and what has occured, and how we got to this place and time politically in the US. One common thread is the "change" thing. We talk about how this "change" would occur, given the deep tap roots of health care companies, media, defense, and all manner of powerfull money interests that have a death lock on the society. They have become accustomed to being in charge, and how does one person make this "change" occur; do all these entities just lay down and give up? Do they react to a groundswell of people that rise up? Does the war just end as promised?

We have come to the conclusion that if Obama wins, the "change" that is promised will be scaled back considerably, and reasons for it's scaling back will be made clear within six months. That is not a bad thing, but it will not be the change that is expected or dreamed of. The war will continue no matter who wins, and that is our opinion. The reasons for that will be very clear very soon by actions of this administration to "lock in" the next president.

Coming from a place where everything the government must be reviewed before belived, and now livinging a time where a person like Bush is not already impeached, I have certain views that I express that do not go down well with the people that support a certain candidate.

My last post was that I was voting for McCain. I have consistently and always have posted that I would vote for the party nominee no matter what up to that point. My last post was directed at the people that were in the heat of the battle for their guy. I will not be voting for McCain, and after seeing a couple of speeches on CSpan, it became clear that I was taken in by moment of Hillary bashing.

Obama has my vote. That's all I can give. I do believe along with my older friends that "change" will not occur if he is elected. The time still is not right, and the country is still in the grip of various money groups that will not allow it. The country is still comfortable in it's chair and taking in the offerings of the MSM Telescreen, but we are going into a new area of liberalism that will continue. Will Obama be that person to herald in a new way? Maybe. Maybe not. I have been jaded and dissapointed too many times.

But he has my vote. For what it's worth.

P.S. That does not mean he will not get called out until the official "presumptive day" here.

[DevonRex]

1. Thank you. nt

[Cant trust em]

2. The change will be the pendulum starting to swing back left

For the last 30 years it's been moving slowly to the right. Obama will start moving it gradually to the left. We're not going to get a truly progressive America in one term. It's going to take time. But all changes have to start somewhere.

[Straight Shooter]

3. I would have more respect for him were it not for the hype of "change"

I will, under great duress, vote for him, but will not hold my breath to see any substantial change whatsoever. Even miniscule change. Maybe chump change.

I am very concerned he will nominate "moderates" to the Supreme Court who will show their true colors (conservative) once appointed. Obama was going to vote to confirm Roberts because he thought Roberts had such great intelligence, until an aide pointed out that it would alienate the left wing of the party. Obama said he did not judge by idealogy. Well, that's all well and nice, but idealogy is all we've got now to save us from the abyss.

I hope Obama keeps that aide.

[griffi94]

4. i have to agree with you

the change theme imo is just hype. dubya ran on a theme of change. look what we changed into. obama imo wouldn't be a viable frontrunner if he were truly the agent of change his rallies make him out to be.
i do wonder if he will be effective at even band-aid type fixes given the amount of rancor in the general population.
i'm waiting to see the outcome of all the "new" democrats he's brought to the party. if i had to make a prediction it would be that a majority of them drop out of the election process when they don't see the changes they were promised come to fruition.

[Texas Hill Country]

5. the GE will cause a swing back to the middle... that is the truth

[PM7nj]

6. Yes back to the middle from the radical right. nt

[Egnever]

7. I think you are going to be pleasantly surprised.

[redqueen]

8. Glad to hear he has your vote.

We'll have to wait and see how the 'change' thing goes...