To all those telling Hillary supporters who won't pledge to vote Obama in Nov if he's the nom...

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...that they aren't Democrats. To all those telling us to leave the party, or, better yet, be thrown out of the party because of our refusal to kneel at the altar of the chosen one, have a look at this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=5523969

[last1standing]

1. Wow! That couldn't have been freeped by Hillary supporters!

Not a chance! No way! That's as sound as an AOL poll!

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2. But...I thought Hillary supporters were vastly outnumbered here...

:shrug:

[last1standing]

4. Maybe most Obama supporters have you on ignore.

:shrug:

[Skip Intro]

6. Ah, the chamber room thing. Well, some are just afraid of what is different from themselves.

And chose to ignore it rather than engage it, try to understand it.

If I'm on anyone's ignore list, I am simultaneously saddened that the ostrich effect would become such a lazy refuge, and flattered that I could present views that shake the insecure little world of those who prefer mirrors to reality.

[last1standing]

9. You might want to edit again since I couldn't quite make out what you were saying.

Something about being flattered that people don't want to read your crap, maybe, but I'm not really sure.

[Skip Intro]

12. maybe you should give it another try

seems pretty clear to me

[last1standing]

16. Much better this time.

And I'm glad to see that my original reply was right on the money. :hi:

[Skip Intro]

24. ah...yeah, sure, ok.

your orignal reply was that Hillary supporters had "freeped" that poll to make Obama supporters look bad, right?

Even though there are far more Obama supporters here, as acknoledged even by Skinner?

And that view has been vindicated? By me?

Please, enlighten me.

:hi:

[WillyToad]

25. The big question is...

Will Obama supporters be able to turn off the hatred when he is the nominee?

Or will they continue to try and justify it or make excuses for it and destroy the party in the process??

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29. Some are already setting up excuses for him losing the GE, and guess who's to blame?

Yep, Hillary and her inbred, racist supporters.

[last1standing]

26. Are you another low information voter for Hillary?

I never said the poll WAS freeped, I said it could have been. As any child of 10 can tell you, online polls mean absolutely nothing other than a certain number of people know how to click a mouse. I'd suggest you find a 10 year old child to have them explain that to you as I'm finding your friends in the Hillary camp look down on that learnin' stuff.

[Skip Intro]

28. Insults you can believe in. "Low Info Voter." When that doesn't work, do you call me a racist too?

There's that hope and change...I mean, arrogance and insults, I have come to know and love...

Please, try to keep any reply restricted to monosyllabic words if you can, you know us Hillary folk ain't all that bright.

[last1standing]

31. Why? Are you going to post something racist like some other Hill supporters have tonight?

If you do then I'll call it out as racist. And since you started with the false charges you have little room to act offended. But I'm sure you will anyway. The true mark of a Hillary supporter is how quickly they can jump into professional victim mode.

[Skip Intro]

33. With what "false charges" did I start? Please, elaborate.

[last1standing]

34. Ugh! You claimed I said something I didn't say. I explained that earlier.

And I'm tired so I'm heading to bed. We can insult and badger each other tomorrow as if there was any chance of either of us changing our minds.

Fair?

:hi:

[Skip Intro]

35. Fair, except that I didn't claim you'd said something you didn't say.

Other than that, have a good night.

[Guaranteed]

37. There's been an exodus in the last month, since that poll. nt

[Ken Burch]

3. self-delete.

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11. hmmm....why?

[Ken Burch]

13. I realized I'd misunderstood your OP.

Let's leave it at that.

[jillan]

5. Must be all those Obamacans.

Republicans at heart.

[chknltl]

7. odd...I have never seen any DUers suggesting as you say.

Do you have any links backing up your assertion that our fellow DUers are suggesting that supporters of Senator Clinton need to be thrown out of the party? Tell ya what, I 'd like to see...oh... 2. Please show us a link or links to even 2 of our fellow DUers suggesting that Clinton supporters should be kicked out of the Democratic Party.
:popcorn: hmmm... might be a two bagger :popcorn:

[Skip Intro]

10. You've never seen one but you want links to two.

Well, I don't feel like digging for links for you. Take my word for what it's worth or call me liar, really doesn't matter to me, I know the truth.

Search my screen name in the "Author" section and do a little digging. It's there.

[chknltl]

19. WHO made the assertion?

Can't or won't back up this outlandish assertion says the exact same thing to me: Credibility = 0
Sorry. L8ter

[Skip Intro]

22. Well chew on this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5920614&mesg_id=5920614

So if you support Clinton, and you will not vote for Obama no matter what, even though he is the Democratic nominee, then you're excused. We don't need you.


anything else?

[chknltl]

38. Chewed on, I stand corrected.

I didn't actually see anyone advocate throwing fellow Dems out of the Party but there were posts which came close enough as far as I am concerned....(and there was at least two of them), I stand corrected. The OP said that he was being rhetorical early on in the thread as he was being called out for even excusing our fellow Dems.

One thing that we should be able to take pride in is that we have a big tent, we want to bring folks in and educate them if needs-be but throwing folks out is utter utter nonsense! (I suspect that you agree). I noticed one, 'boppers', (who has only been here since Feb.) who seemed especially keen on NOT wooing Dixiecrat Dems...hmmm.. he(she?) got what I would have expected from our fellow DUers but it did not seem to do any good. That is how things should be, we should be willing to educate not be into tossing folks who are here to join us. Our fellow DUers attempted to educate 'boppers' but I suspect things fell on deaf ears. That said, even though I disagree with 'boppers', tossing this person out of the party would be madness.

Good on you Skip Intro, I thought for sure that you were stirring up something that IMO did not need stirring up. I thought to call you out on it because I for one am sick of all the needless flame-baiting. Your assertion, as it turns out was not more of that flame-baiting. You stood up for yourself when I figured you would not have been able to do so. I underestimated how stupid our fellow DUers can get and you have a right to be outraged...I am equally outraged!

To you Skip Intro: :thumbsup:

[lumberjack_jeff]

20. Awhile back I asked Obama supporters if Hillary will or should be McCain's runningmate

28% said yes. Does this not suggest that they are either resigned or actively interested in removing her supporters from the Democratic party?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5666226

[chknltl]

30. Nopity

It suggests Senator Clinton herself not being in the party. Plenty of our fellow DUers have said that Senator Clinton's tactics are not the reflection of what they felt Democratic campaign methods should be... generally not in THOSE words, (ie calling her tactics rovian or republican and etc.). Nowhere in that poll to include those 25 votes is there any mention of tossing fellow Dems out of the party because of who they back. The closest I could find was in a response by Hippo_Tron who said he would love a party split but even that post never advocated chucking fellow Dems just because they back a specific candidate.

I've heard some out-n out-silliness on this board but that....well words escape me. I am a bit of a DU junkie but I haven't seen anything THAT spectacularly stupid so far. Had I actually seen it, I suspect that it would have been followed up by a few unkind words from backers on BOTH sides of these primaries. Party unity right now ain't what it could be but calling for the ouster of our fellow Dems is...well... madness doesn't even come close.

[beezlebum]

8. scientific!!11!

of course, i'm not telling anybody they should be kicked out or whatever, and if any i have only seen a few or as many hillary supporters saying things like that, but...

if i for one voted 'no effing way' in that poll, and i don't know if i did or not, but if i did, it was likely cast very much tongue in cheek, b/c those polls are stupid, and they are basically loaded questions/flamebait, just as the "____________ supporters are meanies" theads are.

congratulations on the win (not tongue in cheek). :hi:

[WA98070]

14. I believe these answers are politically aimed to increase pressure on the supers....

each way.

[Occam Bandage]

15. Well, dear Hillary supporters, which is it?

Is it the case that:

A: Hillary supporters are more likely to bolt if Obama is the nominee, thus making Hillary stronger than Obama in the GE?

or

B: Obama supporters are just as disloyal as Hillary supporters, if not more so?

I've seen both, often from the same people, and I'd like to know which you believe.

[bridgit]

17. This household is democrat, we vote the ticket...

[enid602]

18. Obama

Obama can unite the Party and win over the Hill supporters if he wants. We'll see what kind of leader he is in the next couple of weeks.

[Catherina]

21. What does it really matter? Everyone's vote is their own n/t

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[Yukari Yakumo]

27. Guess what!

She lost.

Get used to it.

[mcctatas]

32. It's kind of fishy...

supposedly "no fucking way" got the most votes, but a majority of the replies are in the "I'll hold my nose.." and "yes" categories. What could account for that? HMMMMMM...:puke:

Edit to add, that fucking thing is from April???? And apparently, my April self thought the same thing I'm thinking now...

mcctatas (1000+ posts) Tue Apr-15-08 10:56 PM
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10. I would like to hear justifications from some of these no fucking
way folks...
*I must be spending to much time in GDP because I had an awful thought that it's really Hillary supporters trying to make us look as nuts as the 25% of them that won't vote for Obama, but I know that's not the case.....
"The great only appear great because we are on our knees. Stand up." James Connolly
Add to my Journal

[Jamastiene]

36. I like your style.

That was good. :thumbsup:

[Pushed To The Left]

39. If Clinton is the nominee, I would be critical of Obama supporters not voting for her as well.

I am going to be behind the Democratic candidate whether it be Obama or Clinton. I actually had this argument with a couple of fellow Obama supporters at a primary-watching party a few months ago. I made it crystal clear that I'll be standing behind the Democratic nominee, even if he/she isn't my first choice!

[jgraz]

40. I personally don't care who you vote for

The tiny number of bitter dead-enders who would rather fuck over the country than accept the will of voters can blow me.

[BzaDem]

41. LOL. Someone's bitter.

[jgraz]

44. Nope. Just tired of dealing with petulant children.

Run along, now.

[datopbanana]

42. That doesn't make it any less wrong for HRC peeps

Both sides would be stupid not to support the nominee

[last_texas_dem]

43. I'll just link to my post from that thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5523969&mesg_id=5525621

Goes for both Obama and Clinton primary supporters, especially if you live in a state where your actually matters in the general election.