How to Divide and Conquer the Democratic Party Strategy One: Clinton Turned Democrats Racist

[McCamy Taylor]

I. Question: On the night of the New Hampshire primary, which any sensible political Democratic observer could have told you Clinton was going to win based upon that state’s polls, history and demographics (Irish-Catholic meaning strong support for female candidates and concern for reproductive rights) who said about the election results Methinks paleface speaks with forked tongue ?

Answer: Chris Mathews of MSNBC, whose parent company GE is among a handful that will benefit if the dozens of new nuclear energy plant requests that have been submitted to the NRC are approved. (Since GE makes billions each year building nukes)

http://www.nrc.gov/reactors/new-licensing/new-licensing-files/expected-new-rx-applications.pdf

While Obama is the “nukes are green” I will let you build them as long as they are safe Democrat and Clinton is “agnostic” (meaning she will take your money but do not hold your breath waiting for NRC approval), McCain is the I don’t mind if we glow in the dark, and I hope you don’t either candidate. GE wants McCain to win, and they know how to do it. Use their media tools at MSNBC and NBC to divide and conquer the Democrats---and that includes KO, though he does not know that they are using him for this purpose.

More on Nukes:
http://www.star-telegram.com/100/story/636314.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Nuclear_Energy_Institute
http://www.enn.com/energy/article/35938

McCain, a Republican senator from Arizona who has wrapped up his party's nomination, is by far the most enthusiastic about the carbon-free fuel source, regularly calling for more nuclear power plants at campaign stops throughout the nation.

"I believe we are not going to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and become energy independent ... unless we use nuclear power and use it in great abundance," he said in North Carolina on Monday.
McCain adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin said nuclear power faced an "uneven playing field" from years of political opposition.

"Sen. McCain would eliminate the political obstacles that hinder nuclear power, allow it to compete more effectively, and likely increase its share of the US energy portfolio," he said.

Note that while many at DU believe that MSNBC stumps for Obama, they seldom promote Obama. Instead the trash Clinton. In particular, they encourage KO, known for his progressive views, to trash Clinton. Since he is known to present stories from Obama camp memos as “news” this gives the impression that all the smears that Matthews, Fineman and the others make about Clinton also come from the Obama camp—which has added to the tremendous divide within the Democratic Party. Clinton supporters are increasingly unwilling to vote for Obama and vice versa. Who does this help this fall? Mr. I never met a nuclear power plant proposal I wouldn’t rubber stamp McCain.

Check out my old journals for the way that GE/MSNBC stumped for McCain during the GOP primary, calling his “maverick”. “straight shooter” etc while Matthews called the Iraq War “the Democrat’s War”. Do not be fooled by what you see on TV now. KO will be muzzled by GE when the fall election finally gets here. They will use the Dan Rather strategy on him, if necessary. They make billions a year from their nuclear reactors.

MSNBC ProMcCain spin that I have documented in Journals here:
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/139
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/140
The second is MSNBC’s Monster Super Tuesday coverage in which they were practically coming all over themselves about what a “maverick” John McCain was. It was pathetic to watch.


II. Question: Which widely read political columnist distorted Clinton’s words about JFK and LBJ on the eve of the New Hampshire primary, leading many—including KO, Rep. James Clyburn and the Obama camp to then begin a political campaign designed to target her as a racist for a remark she did not actually say?

Answer: Ben Smith of Politico He rewrote history to make it appear that Clinton was being disrespectful to King. Where did he get this impression? I wish he would tell. He issued a correction that same day. Funny. Some news organizations have never corrected the record.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0108/Clinton_and_Obama_Johnson_and_King.html

Hillary was asked about Obama's rejoinder that there's something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes as false, and that it doesn't jibe with the careers of figures like like John F. Kennedy and King.
"Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," Clinton said. "It took a president to get it done."

Now, the same day correction at Politico

I would point to the fact that that Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act of 1964, when he was able to get through Congress something that President Kennedy was hopeful to do, the president before had not even tried, but it took a president to get it done.

Unfortunately almost no one else bothered to correct the record. Keith Olbermann of Countdown ran the distorted quote that night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BB4Vvgn_4k

“KO: On a day in which she‘d already tear up at one moment and then attacked Barack Obama the next, on a day on which she had already invoked Martin Luther King and President Johnson in a dubious analogy to herself and Senator Obama. Senator Hillary Clinton this afternoon played the al Qaeda card.
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Alas, wait, there‘s more, as if having drawn inspiration from the Karl Rove playbook were not bad enough, Senator Clinton making an another analogy in which she appears to be President Lyndon Johnson and Senator Obama seems to be Dr. Martin Luther King in not a good way quoting her, “Doctor King‘s dream began to be realized when President Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act. It took a president to get it done.
Snip
OLBERMANN: When she was asked today whether her campaign was in panic, Senator Clinton responded well, I‘m not. When you are invoking Dr. King against the African-American candidate, let alone the Democrat who seems to have Karl Rove as a campaign advisor as evidence by her invoking the al Qaeda reference there, is it not fair to say that, you indeed, are panicking?

Here is one of Media Matters numerous debunkings of this media lie. They never chastised KO, because they are guilty of bias sometimes, too.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200801120003

Bob Herbert of the New York Times, Rep. James Clyburne, CBS, NBC, MSNBC---a bunch of people kept getting it wrong in the days that followed. That includes the Obama camp in the Race Memo as I discuss in my journal about the Race Memo, which the MSM will not discuss…now, because they are saving it for the GE when John McCain plans to paint Obama as a Chicago style dirty tricks artist (it was one of the first things he announced when he said he would be running against Obama). An Obama/Clinton ticket is the only thing that will nullify the effects of this memo, since it will prove that it had no effect on the race, i.e. neither candidate took it seriously.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/McCamy%20Taylor/203

You can read the “Race Memo” in the link to the Huffington Post in my journal. I document that even though the Obama Camp apologized for the memo and even though it contained three easy to prove lies, the corporate media continued to disseminate those lies about the Clintons---

---as if to suggest that the corporate media really wanted to divide and conquer the Democrats along racial lines.

III. "We Must All Hang Together or We Will Surely Hang Separately." Thomas Paine

Everyone who reads my journals knows that I believe that the corporate media in the US is 1) a big fat liar and 2) that it serves to disseminate the propaganda that improves the bottom line of the giant corporate conglomerates which control it and 3) occasionally individual journalists of high caliber have some effect--the Dan Rathers and Bill Moyers and Sy Hersches of the world. But they are the exceptions.

Normally, it should be the job of the press to serve as fact checker. However, as Margaret Carlson told the Rolling Stone, it was more fun to make up stories about Gore being a liar than to fact check Bush's lies in 2000. If someone hears Bill Clinton call Obama’s war stance a “fairy tale” and misinterprets the statement, the press should correct the record. The press should not begin to propagate the lie on the grounds that so and so said it .

However, if the press is on a divide and conquer mission, then it wants to accuse Bill Clinton is saying things like "The Pope is a pedophile" even if what he really said is "Pass the mustard."

This year, all the corporate media had to do is find one person who would go on record as believing that something that the Clintons might have said---or something that someone doctored or distorted , i.e. something that they did not even say as with the Drudge 60 Minutes video or the MLK Jr remark which Ben Smith could say he got wrong, he is so sorry--- was racially charged to create a two or three day smear--- Clintons make racists remarks again. . Since many people are afraid to appear insensitive in racial matters, often it was only other African-Americans who felt comfortable coming forward and saying “Um… that wasn’t racism.”

And of course, in his special comment, KO lowered the bar on racism in the US to say that if anyone could even construe that you intended to say anything racist, even if they were wrong, it was your own fault and it was your job to set the record straight even if you did try to set the record straight repeatedly and no one would listen or believe you and the press continued to lie. That gets him off the hook for misquoting the JFK-LBJ remark and airing the Drudge 60 Minutes edit tape as if it was the real thing, I guess.

We had charges that the 3 am ad was racist. Any discussion of drugs was racist (bet you didn’t know that W. was Black.)We had charges that Clinton’s win in Nevada was a racist win (Latinos are racist). So was the California win (Asians are racist). (Citations for both in my journals). Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, West Virginia were all racist states. Why? Because Democrats in those states favored Clinton.

Now, I understand that at least fifty people at Democratic Underground believe that Hillary Clinton turned Democratic Primary voters into racists ! How? Did she use the wicked witch powers and the laser beam eyes that Chris Matthews, Drudge, Fox, Bob Novak and Peggy Noonan are always warning us about? Man! If that woman has that kind of power, she needs to be president! Imagine what she can do to our economic rivals in China and Japan! Anyone who can turn 50% of Democrats into flaming white hood wearing, goose stepping seig heiling bigots could easily persuade a room full of foreign businessmen to bring down our debt and give us some favorable trade rates and maybe take over peacekeeping in Iraq so we can leave faster. Perhaps she can show some cleavage and trim our debt by an extra trillion….

People, take a moment. Imagine you were on national television and someone asked you “What do you believe?” Would you really want your 15 minutes of fame to be you saying “I believe that Hillary Clinton turned the Democratic Party racist” ? If you were in the studio audience of a show like the Daily Show or the The Colbert Report what do you think that the reaction would be? Wild applause? Cheers?

At best, Hillary Clinton turned the Democratic Party racist is----

Oh, hell. There is no best. Hillary Clinton turned the Democratic Party racist is just more of the splitter bs that the Democratic Party has had to endure this election season ever since the RNC decided to get cute and try to divide us the way that they have always divided us---along economic, gender, ethnic and racial grounds.

They did it in 1972. They are doing it again.

So, when you rate up Hillary Clinton turned the Democratic Part racist you are rating up good old fashioned divide and conquer politics which is the number one tool in the RNC’s arsenal. It is how the bosses keep the working class from pooling their voting strength in order to elect a socialist government like those that get into power from time to time in western Europe to give people universal health care and maternity leave and decent benefits. It is how the rich keep getting richer while the middle class keeps sinking into poverty. It is why Democrats who haven’t felt the pinch of the recession—yet—look down on those who cut their grass and mine their coal if the latter vote for a different candidate, even though they ought to be celebrating the fact that working poor are voting.

The GOP is scared shitless at the number of blue collar and pink collar and poor folks and minorities who are coming out to vote this time. If all those same people vote this fall, and McCain only gets the Republicans who voted in their primary, he is toast. So the only hope the GOP has is to keep either Clinton or Obama off the ticket—that way at least 25% of the Democrats will stay home. And then they can try to alienate some of the other Democrats based on demographics by saying “Psst. The Party favors that other demographic group over you.”

Divide and Conquer. I have almost given up complaining that certain threads---like ones that tell us that “Clinton made the Democratic Party Racist” are divide and conquer zones. Someone needs to declare GDP a divide and conquer zone.

[Razorblade01]

1. You Haven't Seen anything yet!

Just wait until Obama runs against McCain. The Republicans may as well wear their hoods out in the open!

[ShortnFiery]

24. HRC better remain "The Al Sharpton of White Folk," because the AA community will NOT claim her

EVER again. :nuke:

[pathansen]

51. No, tt was Jerimiah Wright who turned voters against Obama

I know several Obama supporters who immediately switched over after listening to him.
They fear Obama might secretly feel same way as he does.

[democracy1st]

2. hey McCamy how are ya hun ?

[Name removed]

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[genna]

4. Even if dividing voters is true AND Republicans want to win using it

who benefits historically when this analysis is applied to elections?


You might see a conspiracy and fellow conspirators in the wrong places. The Richard Nixon Southern Strategy worked. It is not so much that conspirators had UNBELIEVABLE mind control powers over the rest of the electorate, but that the electorate was ALREADY DIVIDED and they took one side of the argument.


It is one thing to point to Pat Buchanan and say he wants to race war to continue. I think he is a cultural conservative who writes things like African Americans should be thankful for slavery because of all the benefits America gives them. It is another thing to raise new co-conspirators in MSNBC/NBC because its parent company GE has cultural war enthusiasts because they have nuclear interests.

You're argument fails on a few counts:

1) Does GE or its board of directors solely contribute to Republicans and Obama?

2) Is there nexus of influence with GE campaign contributions which have led to the sole progress of their issues?

3) Which politicians who receive the nuclear lobby money do the GE supporters refuse to talk down in their coverage as a comparison for the Obama/Republican arguments?


From a different direction, do these links in GE corporate ownership reflect the same kind of bias that Fox News Channel displays with their parent corporation?

You can't make those spoke and wheel allegations unless you have overwhelming proof from the first conspirator to the end conspirator. Conspiracy theories break down when you can't link/tie each conspirator together.


Support the Clinton banner until the end and beyond if that is how you feel, but make sure if you put forward this argument forward you don't leave gaps in reasoning.

[femrap]

41. You do realize the 'divide and

conquer' has worked on Dems many times? This particular primary can be summed as: Young v. Old/Older Male v. Female Black v. White. Lots of ways to 'divide and conquer.' Just look at DU...it's pretty obvious.

I assume you are young and haven't seen how dirty politics works. Watch and learn.

Do you watch MSM and see the propaganda? We have become the old Soviet Union in many ways.

Do you know who Karl Rove is?

edit: can't read/spell

[JohnnyLib2]

5. "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?"

It's amazing how often the old, old gimmicks are recirculated, eh?

I appreciate your efforts, McCamy. Some, like me, have tried to face our own ignorance, blind spots, and insensitivities for many years and correct where necessary. To be labeled now as racist is sickening, yet almost unanswerable. Of course, that may be the point.

K & R

[DWilliamsamh]

6. OMG It is OVER.. Give it a rest.

Your candidate lost because of her own mistakes and mismanagement. It is time to get behind the nominee.

[dkf]

7. I don't see a difference in your two MLK/LBJ quotes.

I never did understand why expanding that sentence was supposed to make me feel better...

[dchill]

12. You are right - either way...

"it took a president to get it done." A very unfortunate choice of words when referring to MLK.

[McCamy Taylor]

18. Ted Kennedy saw the difference and endorsed Obama. She called Obama JFK

and called herself LBJ and said that she had the kind of experience that would help people with hopes and dreams to pass laws. She was not belittling anyone's hopes and dreams. She was saying that LBJ was more effective at getting things through Congress than JFK. That was the point of what she said.

The irony of the whole situation is that when I first heard the mangled quote I thought "That does not make any sense. I wonder if they got it wrong and she was really making a point about JFK and LBJ" Which would have made much more sense. So turned immediately to Media Matters. And, as usual, common sense turned out to have been right. Everyone was parroting a mangled quote.

I wonder how many people out there had that same "That just does not sound right" feeling that I had? Maybe very few people were able to think through the mangled quote and come up with what she was really saying---being a writer and editor has its benefits. But I suspect that lots of people experienced that little warning bell that signaled a disconnect between what they were being told was "reality" by the Tweeties of the world and what they knew from experience was likely to be the truth.

That alarm bell should be the warning that the press is up to Nixonian dirty tricks.

For those too young to remember how hard Congress fought against the Civil Rights Act and Votings Rights, here is a two page link "LBJ Champions the Civil Rights Act of 1964"

http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2004/summer/civil-rights-act-1.html

Be sure to note that LBJ used everything--including the assassination of JFK to shame Congress into doing it. Also note from the second part how Humphrey kissed GOP ass to pass the laws. The same Humphrey would later be reviled by Hunter S. Thompson and the McCarthy camps and then the McGovern camps as being the same as Nixon and a hawk---the way that people at DU are treating Clinton now---and his African-American base would respond to this maltreatment in the GE of 1972 by staying home in droves while his labor and working class base responded by crossing over to vote for Nixon.

The times they are a changin' back to what they were in the days of my youth, and I don't like it one bit.

[EOTE]

30. There is no difference between the two quotes.

But we're meant to believe that the first quote would be uttered by Hitler, where as the second one would be said by Ghandi. I guess anything to perpetuate the meme that the big bad MSM is out to get Clinton while being infatuated with Obama.

[susankh4]

8. "Someone needs to declare GDP a divide and conquer zone."

H'ain't that the truth.

It is beyond sickening in here. I can only handle a few minutes a day..... or I start to give up on the party altogether.

[Jakes Progress]

14. It's sad.

I was a teacher for many years. The saddest part of that profession is watching kids with perfectly good minds turn to ignorance as a preferred way of life because it fed their ego and was easier. Perfectly good Democrats are refusing to believe that they have been manipulated. Not them. They are the ones in the know; they are the ones with the straight skinny. Never mind that their ideas come from six second clips on you tube and "news" commentary fueled by people who are laughing at them.


Me? I spend less time here and more time on icanhascheezburger.com. I laugh and my wife enjoys my company more. I can't see a single case in all of my reading here where anyone ever changed anyone's mind. It's like each group is just hollering down a rain barrel to hear their echo.

My hat's off to McCamy for doing the Lord's work. She toils in a field to produce food for people's minds. Instead of relishing the wholesome grain she harvests for them, they run to McDonalds for a big old MSM burger, and call it nutritious. Bless you, McCamy.

[Mithreal]

42. My mind has been changed more than once

by people who write here, like Madfloridian, McCamy and others. I will admit engaging in political discourse is relatively new to me so I have a lot to learn, but still I have preconceived notions that have been challenged here, sometimes by a well-reasoned argument or new information. That is not to say that I leave this place and ever think I have a concrete knowledge of any issue, I try to maintain an openness to changing my views based upon new information. Anyway, just because you don't see someone's mind changed, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Sometimes it may take days for a well-reasoned thought to resurface in the mind and be integrated into someone's understanding. Instant epiphanies are rare, don't ya think?

Your other sentiments are very agreeable to me.

[femrap]

44. What a great post, Jake....

The only reason I came to DU tonight is because of the NARAL announcement...wanted to see what others thought.

McCamy is fabulous.

I don't think most of the young 'uns even understand what 'divide and conquer' is.

None of this is probably going to matter since we're running out of energy and food. I wonder if the young 'uns know about this. Has Keith, the new American Idol, discussed it yet?

You are so right about TPTB laughing at the manipulation...it's so easy for them, isn't it?

Take care...go laugh!

[BigBearJohn]

46. Wow. Great post. Thanks.

[planetc]

9. Undivided, unconquered, and happy to cast another pretend vote

Just a note here that some of us have been saying we'll vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, even if we have zero confidence our vote will be counted accurately.

American Democracy these days is a giant charade: the news media pretend it matters who we vote for, even though two general elections have been stolen in the last seven years, and we voters pretend it matters who we vote for because we really like the idea of democracy, and have been under a life-long delusion that we live in one.

Anyhow, I'm not divided from Sen. Obama or Sen. Clinton--both fine candidates, and I'm unconquered by the pernicious slop purveyed by the media as political reporting. I know that the only way to find out what anybody in public life has actually said is to *listen to them say it* or get hold of a reliable transcript. There's no other way.

Keep up the good work, McCamy Taylor!

[BayjanDem]

10. "I don’t mind if we glow in the dark"

ROTF!

[ShortnFiery]

11. It wasn't the M$M out in SC "talking Bubba" with his possé leaning against his

big a** Limousine. It wasn't anyone in the M$M but HRC herself who dis'sed MLK to tout LBJ as "It takes a President ... and a "peon" of a Civil Rights Leader can't. :puke:

The Clintons have always played that "Southern Strategy" when it can scare-up more good ole boy votes. <cue the them tune from "The Dukes of Hazard"> :nuke:

[Jakes Progress]

13. Born yesterday and weaned on MSM. nt

[papau]

17. nonsense - Obama's David searched for "racist supporter quotes" before that

[ShortnFiery]

25. Oh come on. Bill Clinton with that southern drawl - thug looking body guards ... it was OVERT.

Bill and Hillary have been sued by the NAACP during the late 80s. They've never been shy in playing that "Southern Strategy."

It's all in the *spade work.* :nuke:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRwZQLdhEw

[Shoelace]

29. "NAACP Scorecard-- Clinton Better Than Obama"

so much for Hillary's so called "racism"! Quotes from TMPcafe:



So....... I know the NAACP cannot endorse but they do give Senators a scorecard. Since this is such a heated election, the NAACP has decided to give both candidates an "Incomplete." They do list the legislation that was scored for the other 98 Senators. Naturally, I thought to check the roll call and see how they voted and what score they would get if the NAACP were to score them.

They scored 15 pieces of legislation, a couple of votes were missed by both of them because they were busy with debates that day so those votes are a wash, leaving us with 12 to score. The drumroll please.....

Vote # 272 Making College Affordable Act, which increases Pell Grants and adds a category for the poorest of Americans to afford college, something I have heard both candidates speak a great deal of lately. The NAACP strongly supported this Act. Clinton voted "yes" and Obama did not vote.

Vote # 257 An amendment to the education bill that would have removed student loan forgiveness for certain public sector workers such as Americorps/Peacecorps and teachers in inner city schools. The NAACP strongly opposed this amendment. Clinton voted "No" and Obama did not vote.

Vote # 184 Requiring a government-issued photo ID for anyone attempting to vote in an election. This was an amendment to the immigration reform bill. The NAACP strongly opposed this amendment. Clinton voted "No" and Obama did not vote.

Both Clinton and Obama were present and voted with the NAACP on the remaining 9 votes.

Both candidates as well as their supporters have TALKED a great deal about these issues and have made them conerstones of the campaign, but only Clinton cared enough to vote on these important bills in the Senate and do her job!!!

The way I see it: out of 12 votes, Clinton scores 100% with the NAACP and Obama scores a 75%.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/03/naacp-scorecard-clinton-better.php

[Mithreal]

43. Interesting, was there any good reason Obama did not vote? nt

[MonkeyFunk]

27. She never dissed MLK

Just another attempt by the Obama camp to falsely smear the Clintons as racist for political gain.

Yeah, some new kind of politics. :eyes:

[Lilith Velkor]

15. Have you ever seen The Revolution Will Not Be Televised?

Our media culture is getting closer and closer to that of Venezuela circa 2002.

I thought most DUers were immune to the bullshit, but now it seems they are very susceptible to bullshit because they want to hear it.

It's depressing, but good for developing a morbid sense of humor.

[McCamy Taylor]

19. Remember, not all that claims to be a DUer is a DUer. Some are Freepers.

[Lilith Velkor]

21. I've been here since the very beginning

A lot of DUers who used to know better are being played like xylophones.

Anyway, I highly recommend checking out that film if you haven't already.

[Shoelace]

31. I've seen that too

and it doesn't surprise me at all, in fact I expected them to invade here. Divide and conquer is the name of the game.

[femrap]

45. Or paid by PR firms and/or

Repugnant think tanks.

[Justitia]

16. Ack! Benjamin Franklin is rolling over in his grave! Egads, please fact check. -eom

[McCamy Taylor]

20. Columbia Journalism Review dissects MSNBC last night: "Ponzi scheme"?????

http://www.cjr.org/the_kicker/camp_clinton_as_cast_by_msnbc.php

OLBERMANN: I don’t want to use the term Ponzi scheme, but if we were not talking politics and the chance for a pay off for people who were investing or donating to the campaign were as little as it is for those people donating to Senator Clinton, we might use the word pyramid or Ponzi scheme. At what point does it become some sort of political scam to be insisting to people this can happen when the odds are the proverbial odds of passing the camel through the needle?

What can I say? Those who have been watching MSNBC recently know that the latest strategy is to try to deprive Clinton of funds by keeping donations away. In Indiana, one county that was heavily favored for Obama deliberately refused to release any numbers (even though they had lots of numbers that favored Clinton) for hours and when they did release numbers, they first cherry picked numbers that favored Obama by 3 to 1 and sat on Clinton's positive numbers for another hour until after 1 am est in hopes that all the NYC people would be in bed and Hillary would lose an opportunity to collect donations that she needed. . Last night, since there was nothing that they could do to stop her big win, I guess someone came up with the Ponzi scheme idea.

The problem is that GE is the one that counts on getting something---like lots of nuclear power plants in the US---for its investment. Voters donate because they believe in a candidate.

KO has lost it big time. He does not even remember that John Edwards was driven from the race by the corporate media which refused to talk about his upset second place finish in Iowa, even though KO made a big deal about the media silence at the time. The press ignored him and therefore he could not raise money.

Eeks! They have turned KO into a media whore! I am so glad that I get my election night coverage from CNN now. The people at Time-Warner are professional, well informed and Blitzer is smarter than Matthews and better at the second degree. You could practically see his bullshit detector go off when he was interviewing Richardson and he cut him no slack. It was fun.

[ShortnFiery]

22. KO is right. The Clintons are NOT political royalty and it's time HRC stops trashing her Party.

[Shakespeare]

23. There's no dissection; they simply post some snips from the transcript.

At least be honest when you post something, McCamy.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. Great post

thanks.

Why people refuse to see this, I'll never understand.

[SeaLyons]

28. Excellent Post!!

It's been difficult and maddening to observe the powers of the MSM over this primary.

Thanks for posting!!

Go Hillary!!

[suzie]

33. Is this the same mainstream media that proclaimed Hillary Clinton

the inevitable winner in the campaign until super Tuesday?. The same Wolf Blitzer who led with a story about Clinton practically every night on the news for the past year?

I was in another room recently while Blitzer's show was on. Maybe when you're hearing something, you notice the number of stories more. His coverage of Clinton was at least 4 to 1 greater than that of Obama, and it was just an ordinary news day with ordinary coverage of the primary season.

[SeaLyons]

36. well, just keep it on MSNBC....they'll make you happy!!

[Name removed]

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[rucky]

34. The JFK reference wasn't the offensive part of the quote.

McCamy, you're smart. You know the whole story about LBJ and the Civil Rights legislation - and in this case that makes you too smart for your own good.

If your hubby calls himself "the first black President," you don't start tipping sacred cows. You don't cut Obama's path to the gates of 1600 short by evoking a leader who became a symbol after his life was cut short. It's insensitive, but was at one point forgivable. Instead, those offended were met with hostility and arrogance, and so went Hillary's majority support among black voters. To this day, people still fail to see, or are dismissive of the offensiveness of that remark, and prefer to believe that 98% of the black voters simply got duped.

Hillary's not racist and neither are her true supporters - but the Clintons are tone deaf and arrogant.

Common decency dictates that if you've offended someone you respect, you apologize - especially if that was not your intent. Truth is, she was too scared that it would make her look weak.

[Swamp Rat]

35. Some of Hillary's "supporters" are racist.

HAHA! Made you look. :D

They aren't really Democrats nor are they believers in Democracy.

They are members of "Operation Chaos," who have come here (and elsewhere) to help their masters divide and conquer. ;)

[Name removed]

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[Spider Jerusalem]

38. *yawn* another long-winded bit of bloviating from you, I see...

helpful hint: no-one has said that Hillary 'turned the Democratic Party racist'; you're setting up a straw man. What HAS been said is that Hillary has engaged in racial politics (which she has), that a significant part of her campaign against Senator Obama has been the attempt to marginalise him as the 'black candidate' (which one of her own campaign strategists admitted). No-one has even said that Hillary (or Bill, for that matter) is racist; however, their conduct in this campaign (and Bill's conduct in his campaigns for the Presidency) show that they are certainly not above exploiting racism and other prejudices for political gain.

[Jakes Progress]

39. And the posters here who call us racists

and the surrogates of the Obama campaign who have used the same tactics have also shown that they are not above exploiting race issues and prejudices for political gain.

[McCamy Taylor]

48. Big thread yesterday accused Clinton of injecting racism into Democratic Party

It got 50 recommendations.

I thought the CNN exit poll which showed that over half of African-American voters in Nc wanted Clinton to be Obama's running mate was fascinating. That sort of raises the question of who was the whole "Clintons are racists" Big Lie aimed at. Not at Black voters. At least 50% of them as still loyal to the Clintons and want to see them AND Obama in the WH. At least 50% of them took no offense at all and they are the ones who should know if it was racist.

The Big Lie "the Clintons interjected race" was designed to make White Democrats like Keith Olbermann afraid not to support Obama. KO has his own problems with race. For over a year he hounded Barry Bonds over his possible steroid use, even though the federal grand jury in the Bonds case illegally leaked grand jury testimony to two reporters so that they could write a book indicting Bonds for lying to the grand jury (his testimony should have been a secret). The fed DA then used this book whose writing they facilitated to build public pr through people like KO to do things like incarcerate an acquaintance of Bonds' for a year---shades of Susan MacDougal and Ken Star. Through all of this, KO continued to hound Bonds, mocking him, defending the writers who used the illegally obtained grand jury testimony and never ever questioning why the federal prosecutors leaked that information and the ethics of the leak (which was so reminiscent of the deliberate leaks in the Starr case). At the same time, KO made excuse for white ball players who use steroids like they did it before it was illegal or technically they did not commit perjury. The last straw was when Roger Clemens lied before Congress and we all got to see how totally disinterested KO was in that matter.

When KO first started his anti-Bonds crusade, I tried to warn MSNBC that it looked ugly. Later, there were websites accusing him of a racial bias in targeting Bonds. We know that the Bush administration selectively targets high profile African-Americans for prosecution of the same crimes for which white Americans never get bothered. Look at Wesley Snipes, sentenced for failure to pay taxes. Every election year, they arrange media trials to paint Blacks as scary and corrupt. (My journals about the "War on Black Folks" by the DOJ have more details).

People like KO who have had "problems" with race have found a convenient way to expunge the public perception of bias. And people like Pelosi who were too gutless to end to war or impeach now have the hope of saving their Congressional seats by taking a stand against "racism". People like Jay Rockefeller who tried to give the telecoms immunity can boast "I stood up against racism".

The only problem was that the very real problem of bigotry in the US has not been addressed. All that has been done is that some people have tried to scapegoat the Clintons for a problem that is systemic and which will not go away with the election of Obama, because the root problem is poverty.

[Spider Jerusalem]

49. Injecting race as an issue into the Democratic PRIMARY!

NOT the 'Democratic Party'. The Democratic primary and the Democratic Party are not the same thing. Learn the distinction.

And she HAS injected race as an issue. You are blind or wilfully ignorant if you think otherwise.

[miktor von doom]

50. couple problems with this

1) You're beating the same dead horse you always beat. Just because you write fairly well, doesn't necessarily mean you're going to convince anyone of the same overarching premise that's present in seemingly all of your journals: "Obama supporters are flawed, hypocritical morons, and therefore must attack the greater nominee, Hillary, because they're such big meanies, and Obama's various leads in various metrics are irrelevant because of this. If only you were McCamy Taylor, this would be blatantly obvious. But seriously, folks, can't we just get along????"

2) "Blacks" go on trial for offenses great and small every year, regardless of whether there's an election or not. So do all manner of American citizens. Wesley Snipes is a really bad example of what you were trying to say. Tax evasion is pretty serious, particularly on the scale on which he was involved. He owes MILLIONS. I'd say prison is precisely where he belongs.

But then, not only do I support Obama, I also pay my taxes. So what do I know, right?

Carry on.

[krkaufman]

40. If you're still debating Hillary versus Obama, you're pounding sand. It's over. n/t

[BigBearJohn]

47. Thanks for restoring my equilibrium. The mob mentality here is maddening.

[rodeodance]

52. Thank you very much

[Jakes Progress]

53. "They would not listen

They're not listening still.
Perhaps they never will."

Too many hear will not listen to a message, no matter how true, that might mean Hillary isn't a monster. I'm afraid this will cost us dearly. Just how many votes and people do they want to throw away? The very group they want to shun will be the majority difference.