Why DID clinton lie about Tuzla and her support for NAFTA...

[Zhade]

...among other things (like the mother who died IN the hospital WITH insurance)?

To this day, I don't get why she would lie about things for which evidence exists that prove she lied. Tuzla video, pro-NAFTA meetings paper trail - did she think she wouldn't be found out?

Did she think no one would care? Did *she* not care?

Or is it worse? Did she actually believe she was dodging nonexistent sniper fire? Did she believe her urging that NAFTA be passed meant the opposite would happen?

Is she unbalanced? Did she just not give a shit about us and lie without reservation? What explains her undeniable lies?

Anybody?

I truly don't understand it.

[Zhade]

1. I guess no one else knows either!

It is bewildering.

[TexasObserver]

2. Because she lies so much, so often, she loses track of her lies.

[AtomicKitten]

3. Because just like the GOP, she lies to and cultivates stupid people.

[Zhade]

4. So it really is willful?

Does that explain how her supporters can deny something like the Tuzla video even after watching it?

[AtomicKitten]

8. they are clearly in denial

and it's pathologic IMO

[Darth_Kitten]

16. pathologic?

from someone who really can see herself very clearly. :eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

17. project much?

[Darth_Kitten]

12. LOL........

this is too funny.

[last1standing]

5. Because the lie is usually on page 1A and the correction back on 11A.

If anyone even bothers to print it.

Unfortunately for her, the fact that she lied was actually bigger news than the lies she made up.

It's just another example why "Ready on Day One" was the biggest lie of them all.

[dailykoff]

6. My theory? The whole thing was fake.

Every fucking word of it. They cut a deal with their bush buddies long ago to cover their bases by running two pukes, one dressed as a Democratic Condi, only it didn't work out. So there's no distinction in her mind between truth and reality because it's all a script, just like in Hollywood where they're so famously beloved.

[Mme. Defarge]

19. Indeed!

Her real job was to simply get the nomination. She blew it.

[dailykoff]

20. Yep, basically she ran as Ronald Reagan .

She was in front of the cameras and her "staff" did all the rest. Fortunately for us, Hillary is no Gipper.

[Mme. Defarge]

33. This long campaign has been a gift --

we dodged a bullet.

[dailykoff]

37. Well, I wouldn't go that far.

I heard this morning that Bushler himself is openly campaigning for her overseas. What the H*E*L*L is she still doing in this race? WHY WHY WHY can't somebody get her the hell out of here?


:banghead:

[DemGa]

7. She didn't lie -- NT

[cliffordu]

23. Oh, yes, she did, on multiple occasions....meaning

chronically, constantly...habitually....

EASILY

[canadian_is_cold]

9. She is a compulsive liar n/t

[anonymous171]

10. Because Obama wouldn't call her on it.

[Darth_Kitten]

he doesn't have to say much of anything, eh?

n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

11. Are you unbalanced, perhaps?

Go right ahead, so helpful for the Obama cause. :eyes:

[OzarkDem]

13. I can't believe trolls are still posting this junk

Go sell it somewhere else.

[Darth_Kitten]

14. I can't believe they think so LITTLE of DU and it's members.....

:sarcasm:

[highplainsdem]

15. From the Washington Post:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/23/AR2008032301706.html

After weeks of arduous negotiations, on April 6, 2006, a bipartisan group of senators burst out of the "President's Room," just off the Senate chamber, with a deal on new immigration policy.

As the half-dozen senators -- including John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Edward M. Kennedy (D-Mass.) -- headed to announce their plan, they met Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who made a request common when Capitol Hill news conferences are in the offing: "Hey, guys, can I come along?" And when Obama went before the microphones, he was generous with his list of senators to congratulate -- a list that included himself.

"I want to cite Lindsey Graham, Sam Brownback, Mel Martinez, Ken Salazar, myself, Dick Durbin, Joe Lieberman . . . who've actually had to wake up early to try to hammer this stuff out," he said.

To Senate staff members, who had been arriving for 7 a.m. negotiating sessions for weeks, it was a galling moment. Those morning sessions had attracted just three to four senators a side, Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) recalled, each deeply involved in the issue. Obama was not one of them. But in a presidential contest involving three sitting senators, embellishment of legislative records may be an inevitability, Specter said with a shrug.

Why would Obama do that?

[rodeodance]

26. as it says. Obama wanted to embellish his record.

[highplainsdem]

27. And none of his supporters have replied.

His taking credit for work he didn't do at that press conference is of a piece with his taking credit for 26 bills that other Illinois state senators did most of the work on, after he went to Emil Jones, the president of the state senate, and asked Jones to make him a US senator. Jones agreed and had the most important bills and the ones getting the most media attention given to Obama to create an instant record of legislative accomplishments for him. It's called bill-jacking. It is not ethical. And it left a number of his fellow state senators feeling resentful, since in some cases they'd been working on bills for years, only to have the glory handed to Obama as Jones played kingmaker, at Obama's request.

[rodeodance]

30. I noticed that. And I have read stories of how the IL legislators are angry at how Obama

took credit for bills that he did not work on and how jones helped him.


It ok if Obama embellishes but it is sin if Hillary does it.

[Eric Condon]

18. Same reason she lies about everything else she lies about

A combination of having no integrity, being willing to make patently false statements, and being so arrogant as to think no one would call her on it.

[Azathoth]

21. Because the Clintons view honesty as a childish foible n/t

[Cali_Democrat]

22. When she is caught lying that cackle of hers comes out

:puke:

[eridani]

24. No.l Nixon in 1960 didn't "get" TV. Clinton doesn't "get" YouTube n/t

[1776Forever]

25. To be honest I think she just did it because that is the way it has always been done before!

Look at Bush and Cheney and their Rovian ways. It is just done that way in Washington - it is excepted that when you have a "cause" it is OK to embellish your comments with more exciting or compelling issues. That is just the way it has always been and I guess she thought it was her "right" to do it.

:nopity:

[merh]

28. daggumit - why must you focus on such things

at least she hasn't called a reporter "sweetie" :sarcasm:


:argh:

[tblue37]

29. A lot of the older politicians do not really use the Net that much themselves

except for stuff like email. They have "people" who take care of their Internet stuff for them. Thus they do not really understand in their bones that the Net is a different beast altogether from the normal news media, that anything they say or do is being scrutinized abd fact-checked by millions of dedicated people, not buried on a video tape in a storage room that one intern would have to spend hours finding, if anyone even remembers for sure that it exists.

[dazzlerazzle]

31. Tuzla and NAFTA

Those were her mistakes, much like Obama talking about "bitter" people. She got thru her "mis-statements" although it may have cost her some support, but I couldn't overlook the "Senator McCain and I have met the commander in chief test" basically saying she was equal to McCain but Obama was not. She seems to give the impression many observers have gotten, that she is somehow "entitled" to be the president.

[DU GrovelBot]

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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

34. Because she's a politician. Same reason that dogs bark.

It's in the breed.

[Romulox]

35. Tuzla is off-set by Wright (and then some); they BOTH lied about NAFTA

In short, let this sink--it hurts Obama more than it helps him.

[jgraz]

36. She's campaigning in the 90's

She did the same thing during the 92 primary, running around Wisconsin and New York with her whispering campaign about Jerry Brown's gay cocaine orgies in the California Governor's mansion. Difference was we didn't have a liberal blogosphere to call her on her bullshit.

Aside from the obvious contempt for truth, it comes down to arrogance. They won the White House with this kind of campaign in 1992 -- why should they bother to learn any new techniques?