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CindyKay Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:41 AM
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I want Your honest opinion regardless of who You support
Edited on Thu May-15-08 08:49 AM by CindyKay

What do You think Really about Chuck Hage becoming the VP for Obama ?
Do You think that this could truly bring All Sides Together ?

I personally have not yet formed an Opinion on this but I have heard Reports that He is a possible running mate.

I also think that we need someone with a Good Military Background , McINSANE's People will try to pull out the Fear Factor & say that Obama has No Experience . I really Hope that Obama considers Military Experience when He makes His Choice. McInsane cannot Run on ANYTHING else & If We have someone to Counter that it will be a Big Weight off Obama's Shoulders.

I currently Like Jim Webb but many say that He will not be chosen because of so called Womanizing , I know Webb has been Married 4 times but I also know that 1 of His Ex Wives Campaigned for Him when He was running for the Senate. Can anyone tell Me more about Webb's History on this matter ???



UPDATE : Do Not take this as an endorsement of Hage , I was only asking a question because of what is floating around out there, I like Jim Webb.
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Evergreen Emerald Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:43 AM
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1. How could anyone support Hagel while bashing Clinton for being a republican?
Hagel has a horrific record on progressive issues. Indeed the only thing we agree on is Iraq. Otherwise he is one conservative guy.

To suggest Hagel all the while bashing Clinton for being a republican makes no sense at all.
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CindyKay Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:52 AM
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11. Hey , I don't Support Hage
And I did not Bash Hillary in My Post. Let's be Clear on this.
I was just asking a question , Don't get Your Panties in a twist.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:35 AM
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41. The republican party is dead
thank goodness.

I will not vote for a republican on a democratic ticket. This will not happen b/c the democratic base would not vote for the democratic candidate. The democratic candidate would lose b/c so many liberals would choose to vote 3rd party. This is, no doubt, the stupidest idea I have seen for a v.p., tho it gets posted repeatedly.

It's like... republicans stealing an election!! - yet again!!!

Why the fuck do Chuck Hagel and his republican admirers want him to run on a democratic ticket? It's sick. It's stupid.

He brings NOTHING to the table. His stances on economic policy and social policy are wrong. We need to get rid of republican b.s. not GIVE IT a presidency.

How freakin' stupid is this idea, and WHY do people keep bringing it up?
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:50 PM
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52. Why was an insult necessary?
You asked people for their honest opinion then insulted someone who gave it.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:43 AM
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2. Hagel...NO!
A thousand times no. An anti-choice, anti-gay Repuke who's against the war is still an anti-choice, anti-gay Repuke.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:44 AM
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3. Ummmm no thank you. Have you seen his voting record? He is not on our side.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:45 AM
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4. I think it's a bad idea. Hagel's stance on issues is not largely compatible
with the dem platform. There are plenty of DEMOCRATS to choose from. It needs to be a dem ticket. There has been NO credible reports that Obama is considering any such thing. In any case, I'm confident that Obama will choose wisely when it comes to a running mate.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:45 AM
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5. I'm real cool to Hagel, especially when there are so many
terrific Democrats who would serve Obama better.


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lisa58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:45 AM
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6. I think Webb would be a better VP...
Edited on Thu May-15-08 08:47 AM by lisa58
...he would really be able to take it to McCain on the "new" GI Bill - I would love to see that.

If Obama wants to have Hagel in his administration I think Secretary of Defense would be good...that way the repubs would be part of getting us out of Iraq, and, as stated above, the only issue he agrees with the dems on.

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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:46 AM
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7. I will not work to put a Republican within a heartbeat of the presidency.
Or would I? Are my choices really going to be limited to a Republican ticket versus a half-Republican ticket?

Have we fallen so far that this is really the best we can do? Our corporatist Dems can't get elected without Republicans holding their hands? Is America truly that conservative?
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:48 AM
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8. Not Just No But Hell NO
Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on criminal penalty for harming unborn fetus during other crime. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions except for maternal life. (Mar 2003)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning partial birth abortions. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 100% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-life stance (190 members). (Dec



Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 11% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)



Voted NO on adding 2 to 4 million children to SCHIP eligibility. (Nov 2007)
Voted YES on requiring negotiated Rx prices for Medicare part D. (Apr 2007)
Voted YES on limiting medical liability lawsuits to $250,000. (May 2006)
Voted NO on expanding enrollment period for Medicare Part D. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)
Voted NO on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on $40 billion per year for limited Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Jun 2003)
Voted NO on allowing reimportation of Rx drugs from Canada. (Jul 2002)
Voted NO on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Voted YES on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on limiting self-employment health deduction. (Jul 1999)
Voted NO on increasing tobacco restrictions. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on Medicare means-testing. (Jun 1997)
Invest funds to alleviate the nursing shortage. (Apr 2001)
Rated 12% by APHA, indicating a anti-public health voting record. (Dec 2003)


http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Chuck_Hagel.htm





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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:52 AM
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10. What you said! n/t
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:58 AM
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15. How Did He Become In Vogue?
He voted for the damn war... Any fool can oppose it now because it is FUBAR...
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:51 AM
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9. Chuck Electro-Fraud Hagel will never be on a Democratic party ticket
As for Jim Webb, he's better off right where he is, in the Senate. We will need people like him there when President Obama moves to end this clusterfuck in Iraq.

Besides, two senators on a ticket is suicide anyway.

I agree that McLoon is going to try to make the election all about "fear war and terra" because it's all he has. That's why Wes Clark and Bill Richardson are on my short list for VP. And the one who doesn't get that job will probably be Secretary of State.
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CanonRay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:52 AM
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12. His only acceptable position is on the war...
on everything else, he's a right wing nut job.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:52 AM
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13. Not smart. Keep it within the party.
But perhaps for a minor cabinet post or administrative post--Veteran's Affairs or something.

I believe Clinton's Secretary of Defense William Cohen was a Republican congressman, if I remember correctly.
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Stop Cornyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 08:54 AM
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14. Hagel is wholly unacceptable. Hagel is WORSE than McCain on reproductive choice, on the environment
on deficit-increasing tax cuts for the hyper-wealthy, and a dozen other key issues.

I was disappointed in Gore's selection of Lieberman; any Democrat who chose Hagel as VP would establish a disqualifying lack of judgment. Obama is WAY too smart to make an egregious mistake like that.
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:07 AM
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16. No opinion.
But, there is only one way Mr. Obama can count on my vote in November.

And none of these are it.
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CindyKay Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:42 AM
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25. Care to elaborate ?
Do Tell. I am Curious .
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:36 AM
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30. I expect an Obama/Clinton ticket.
And I wont settle for less.

I want to see the great "uniter" begin by uniting his party.
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CindyKay Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:33 AM
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38. I'm Not Bashing Hillary anymore BUT
She has no chance of being on the Ticket , it just isn't going to happen.

She tried to brand Obama as Inexperienced , She Endorsed McINSANE & said Obama has Only Words , She & Bubba played the Race Card , She Lied about Bosnia & NAFTA , She was seen as Pandering with the Gas Tax Holiday. She has been Representing Herself in a way that is Completely the Opposite to Obama's Message of Change. She actually Lost because She IS Good at this & Frankly Change means New & Different Not Business as Usual.


Obama's Message says New & Different & Hillary's said Business as Usual.

She did this to Herself & She will not make the Ticket it doesn't make any sense to think She would be although I do understand where You are coming from.

What do You think about Wes. Clark or Jim Webb ?
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susankh4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:21 AM
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40. It's his choice.
He will have my vote. Or not.
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CindyKay Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:21 PM
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48. You are Correct it is His Choice
And He is way to Intelligent to put Hillary on the Ticket.

I noticed You did not address Any of the Problems I listed , Even You must see it would be Counter Productive to pick Her as VP.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:09 AM
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17. He's being pushed by the right wing media
He votes with Republicans in the Senate on most issues.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:10 AM
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18. Didn't we already have this discussion?
Dems can win IF WE RUN AS DEMS. I'm so sick of our party selling itself short.

Nothing against Hagel, personally he's as good as Republicans can get. But that's not saying much, and it says even less about the talent pool in our party (which is fantastic, btw).
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:10 AM
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19. I'm changing my "cool" in Post 5 to "ice cold."
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:12 AM
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20. Not going to happen. He's a repuke.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:19 AM
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21. This is not rocket science folks, unless obama gets much stronger
on his own, he'll need Clinton more than ever in November. That's the only ticket that makes sense now."

The current high spirits in the Obama campaign were tempered with HRC's big win in West Virginia and most likely big victory in Kentucky. And it’s not just that Hillary is heavily favored to win both states - but more than that they could further underline Obama’s lackluster support in Appalachia, a region that is ground zero for the sort of populist Reagan Democrats both parties will covet in the fall... "McCain’s going to camp on the Pennsylvania-Ohio border" in Appalachian regions, said Democratic strategist Dave Saunders. 'He knows if he wins those states he can’t lose.'"

"Of the 29 primaries since New Hampshire from which delegates have been allocated,Obama has won 15. But in doing so, he got a majority of the white votes in just five of the 29 contests. And while winning three of the eight primaries held since March 4,Obama won a majority of the white vote in only one — Vermont."
-- Dwayne Wickham, AA, "Obama's Vulnerability: White Voters"

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CindyKay Donating Member (92 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:56 AM
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26. I'm Not Bashing Hillary Anymore BUT
Edited on Thu May-15-08 10:57 AM by CindyKay
She has no chance of being on the Ticket , it just isn't going to happen.

She tried to brand Obama as Inexperienced , She Endorsed McINSANE & said Obama has Only Words , She & Bubba played the Race Card , She Lied about Bosnia & NAFTA , She was seen as Pandering with the Gas Tax Holiday. She has been Representing Herself in a way that is Completely the Opposite to Obama's Message of Change. She actually Lost because She IS Good at this & Frankly Change means New & Different Not Business as Usual.


Obama's Message says New & Different & Hillary's said Business as Usual.

She did this to Herself & She will not make the Ticket it doesn't make any sense to think She would be
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 09:29 AM
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22. I like Hagel (with an "L" at the end). He's my Senator, and I think he'd
actually make a very good VP--he's smart, trustworthy, puts country first, and would do what Obama asked of him instead of subverting him or pursuing his own agenda. I think Obama and Hagel are two peas in a pod, in terms of worldview, even if they disagree on some domestic issues. I'm in the minority here, obviously, but it's an interesting (though unlikely) idea.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:12 AM
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24. Some?
"even if they disagree on some domestic issues"

Good god.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:27 AM
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45. A little about Chuck Hagel's voting record:
Voted YES on barring HHS grants to organizations that perform abortions. (Oct 2007)
Voted NO on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted YES on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Rated 0% by NARAL, indicating a pro-life voting record. (Dec 2003)
Rated 100% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-life stance (190 members). (Dec 2006)
Voted YES on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on loosening restrictions on cell phone wiretapping. (Oct 2001)
Voted NO on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on setting aside 10% of highway funds for minorities & women. (Mar 1998)
Voted YES on ending special funding for minority & women-owned business. (Oct 1997)
Supports anti-flag desecration amendment. (Mar 2001)
Rated 60% by the ACLU, indicating a mixed civil rights voting record. (Dec 2002)
Rated 0% by the HRC, indicating an anti-gay-rights stance. (Dec 2006)
Rated 11% by the NAACP, indicating an anti-affirmative-action stance. (Dec 2006)
Voted NO on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted NO on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted NO on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)

More here: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Chuck_Hagel.htm
Voted YES on Bush Administration Energy Policy. (Jul 2003)
Voted NO on targeting 100,000 hydrogen-powered vehicles by 2010. (Jun 2003)
Voted YES on requiring photo ID to vote in federal elections. (Jul 2007)
Voted YES on allowing some lobbyist gifts to Congress. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on establishing the Senate Office of Public Integrity. (Mar 2006)
Voted NO on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads. (Mar 2002)
Voted YES on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
Voted NO on banning campaign donations from unions & corporations. (Apr 2001)
Voted NO on funding for National Endowment for the Arts. (Aug 1999)
Voted NO on favoring 1997 McCain-Feingold overhaul of campaign finance. (Oct 1997)
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:26 PM
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50. Yup. I know. I still like him.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 10:09 AM
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23. Honestly I'd go 3rd party
Edited on Thu May-15-08 10:17 AM by lastliberalintexas
and start making plans to try to leave the country. I say that as an uncommitted voter who plans on voting Dem in November, but not if a republican is the VP. Especially Hagel. This feminazi would bolt.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:04 AM
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27. Dumb idea. This is the poltical silly season, so...
we see a lot of dumb ideas.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:20 AM
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28. I think the notion is ridiculous
and nobody's seriously considering it.
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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-15-08 11:22 AM
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29. Wow, NO. Totally NO.
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union_maid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:38 AM
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31. Sadly, No
He's great on thet war. Terrible on the other things that matter to Democrats. That would be a huge problem.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 05:53 AM
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32. I have no problem with a Chuck Hagel VP on an Obama ticket.
I reached this conclusion by reading his latest book, "America, The Next Chapter". I just don't think Obama will pick him but I would support the ticket.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:00 AM
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34. Dumb idea
Following Bill Clinton's logic, the #1 qualification of a V.P. is for them to be ready to take over if something happened to you. Would you be okay with Chuck Hagel as President? If you're not OK with him as President, then you shouldn't be OK with him as the V.P.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:19 AM
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35. No. He's not a bad guy, but there are plenty of qualified Democrats.
Not only is the VP a heartbeat away, he or she is the contender for the top spot after 2 terms. I don't want to cede that to the Republicans.
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davidpdx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:21 AM
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36. No, not for VP
But a cabinet position would be something that should be considered.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 06:59 AM
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37. I think it's a ridiculous notion. n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 10:34 AM
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39. if Obama puts any Rethugs on his ticket or in cabinet positions I will NOT vote for him!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:38 AM
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42. Yeah, that's a great idea. Stick an anti-choice Republican on the Democratic Ticket.
Brilliant.

:eyes:

Did I mention that The Majority Of Americans Are Pro Choice?
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:51 AM
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43. I think your grasp of strategy is way off
Military experience can go in the cabinet. He doesn't need it in the VP slot: he has to show that wisdom himself or he'll look weaker than his own VP. Just forget about it and see what happens. My money is on Janet Napolitano.
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rove karl rove Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 04:56 AM
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44. No, the dem nominee can do better
First by picking an actual Semocrat - Webb's okay, but Obama should find someone with more experience than that - Richardson bores me to tears just watching him, but he's a safer choice.
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JustinL Donating Member (439 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:31 AM
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46. absolutely not
Hagel's wrong on almost every issue besides the war, and I can't support someone for VP who I wouldn't also like to see as President.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-17-08 05:31 AM
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47. Hagel may not ever have been legitimately elected.
Hagel was the CEO of Elections Systems and Services, a voting machine company that counts ALL of the votes in Nebraska, less than a year before his first run. Both of his elections were upset victories, defying the polls. In practice he hasn't been that bad for a Republican, but I just can't abide that possibility.

On the other hand, it could help us in November...
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:24 PM
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49. NO, NEIN, NON, LO
no way.

We have plenty of Democrats who could be VP. Why do we always have to play the GOP game. WE need to call the shots now.
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dansolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-18-08 12:43 PM
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51. Hagel brings absolutely nothing
The Republican party is in shambles. They are predicting very low turnout on the GOP side. Hagel won't influence any of those voters to switch from McCain, and the people who won't vote will absolutely not vote for an Obama/Hagel ticket, was he probably is disliked by them as much as McCain is.

There are plenty of moderate Democrats to appeal to Independents that would make much more sense than picking Hagel, if that is really the objective.
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