Sexist group of Hillary supporter plan to throw campaign to McCain.

[mckeown1128]

An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media. Led by Boomer-aged women, the group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, is holding a press conference in Columbus at noon to release this statement.

Organizers Cynthia Ruccia, 55, and Jamie Dixey, 57, both from the Columbus area, say they’re coordinating women, men, minorities, union members and others in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and Michigan – all important swing states next November – to impress upon Democratic party leaders what they think has been outright discrimination – and not of the racial kind.

“We have been vigilant against expressions of racism, and we are thrilled that the society has advanced that way” in accepting Obama as a serious candidate,” Ruccia said. “But it’s been open season on women, and we feel we need to stand up and make a statement about that, because it’s wrong.”

With growing calls for Clinton to leave the race, she said, women feel like “we’re being told to sit down, shut up, and get with the program.”Hard to know what to make of any given group, but the sentiment is clealry out there, and putting the party back together will be Obama's, and Clinton's, challenge.Oh, and they're doing O'Reilly tonight, of course.


http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/Clinton_backer_backlash.html#comments


You may say "this is stupid but it isn't sexist." I will point out that they don't offer any proof. Their whole premise seems to be that because Obama is winning/won that the party is sexist. The DNC ruling has nothing to do with Hillary being a woman. Obama voter's like myself aren't voting for Obama because he is a man. Obama has barely been winning the male vote. Hillary had only until recently had a HUGE lead in super delegates the majority of whom...are male. So where is the sexism. Somehow I think they wouldn't be saying this if Obama were a woman. That is where the sexism is. Their candidate is losing the primary to a man... and they are just assuming it is because Obama and other men in the party are sexist. They are judging a whole group of people based on their gender. Sexism.

[David Dunham]

1. The CA Supreme Court just gave them a lot of help.

[TBF]

37. Which case? How does a CA Supreme Court Case help women in Ohio?

[yardwork]

52. What's that supposed to mean?

You want to step out from behind that anonymous curtain and make a homophobic comment using your real name?

[sniffa]

111. You mean his real name isn't Ignored?

:o

[LoZoccolo]

2. If they do this, I will start being sexist against all women.

These women are right on one thing: when you want to defend someone, go after someone else that didn't have anything to do with the attack. And that is just what I intend to do from now on.

NOTE: This post is sarcastic.

[PoliticalAmazon]

73. !! Talk about a nonproductive approach, and that's the nicest thing I can say about it. n/t

[speedoo]

3. Let's see if Hillary sets them straight.

I won't hold my breath.

[PoliticalAmazon]

75. Fat chance. It was probably her idea. n/t

[roguevalley]

81. sore losermen. fuck them all.

[Bread and Circus]

4. Let Obama pick Sebelius and watch them squirm.

[anigbrowl]

58. Or Jan Napolitano (my fave). Clinton =/= all women.

[FrenchieCat]

5. LOL! Neocon Anti-Choice candidate supported by a group of dumbasses!

Thank God we have Bob Barr and Ron Paul to offset this group of women "In love to their own detriment".

It is rather comical that they would hate someone so much who actually agrees with their views......and choose McCain who calls his own wife a cunt. How drole!

[Barrymores Ghost]

114. God, you make me laugh sometimes....

...this was short, sweet, and hilarious!

[leftofcool]

6. They have a valid point.

This is not new. This group has been working up petitions all across the US for about the last 3 months on sexism in the media etal...

[mckeown1128]

9. While Hillary has been the victim of sexism in th media...

I don't think it has hurt her as far as coverage..(remember up until she lost Iowa she was the inevitable candidate)


and besides they aren't just blaming the media.. they are blaming Democrats... which is ridiculous.

[leftofcool]

16. Some Dems have been very guilty of sexism

What these women see is a bunch of old white haired men like Kennedy, Kerry, Waxman etal..still making all the decisions and this shows is some of the things these men have said.

[mckeown1128]

35. No these women and men are being idiots...

they see Kennedy and Kerry and other's endorsing someone other than their candidate. That's not sexism. It is ridiculous for you or them to imply that it is. Clinton is losing and it has nothing to do with some politicians endorsing the other candidate. (until recently she lead in SDs so I guess that means the party wasn't sexist...until last week)

[cali]

41. slanderous bull. Kennedy, Kerry and Waxman are strong

supporters of women and equal rights. They've all supported women candidates. None ofthem have been guilty of sexism. In some warped hillworld, supporting Obama over precious hilly is sexism. Bullshit.

[IronLionZion]

48. So what are women like Gregoire, Sebelius, Napolitano, McCaskill, Klobuchar, etc.?

Chopped liver? Change you can xerox? Do these women just not exist in your world or are they insignificant to you because they are women and therefore invalidate your assertion? Tell me why these women don't count.

That dog just won't hunt.

Waxman only endorsed Obama today.

http://obamaendorsements.blogspot.com/

Every superdelegate:
http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

[IronLionZion]

50. Are Obama's women supporters sexist too? nt

[roseBudd]

108. So the only way for Kerrry, Kennedy & Waxman to not be sexist is to have voted for Hillary ...

regardless of any other factors. Simply not choosing Hillary equals sexism and all the women who have voted for any male candidate in any of the primaries are also sexist.

[TBF]

34. How has Hillary been the victim of sexism in the media? I just don't see it.

As you pointed out, she was the front-runner until Iowa said "not so fast". I'd like them to point out one concrete incidence of sexism because I just don't see it.

[EFerrari]

43. While she was out front, there were dumbass comments

about her cleavage, her voice, her laugh, her clothes. Tweety was a big offender. He got called on the carpet at one point, iirc. It was real and it did seem to abate after Obama got out ahead.

[RaleighNCDUer]

59. Cleavage and clothes comments are dumbass.

Voice and laugh are a different matter. They give clues to a person's character - and just about anybody can detect strain in a voice or tightness in a laugh, giving evidence to comfort, verity and deception.

That's what made Raygun so effective - as a trained actor he could deceive without it showing in the voice.

Hillary is no actor.

[EFerrari]

84. Sure -- but those attributes didn't come up in the context of analysis

but in the context of sexist slurs in the comments I'm referring to.

[seaglass]

132. And calling her laugh a "cackle" was meant to define her character as a witch.

Do you get it?

[TBF]

60. Who is Tweety? I've seen that reference before and wondered who it was.

[RaleighNCDUer]

61. chris matthews. nt

[TBF]

64. Heh, ok I should've figured that out. They should sue him then. I agree he's a loser.

[mckeown1128]

47. I think it was mainly in the debates...

she was getting questions like "dimonds or pearls?" It was sexist but actually helped her by keeping her from having to answer tough questions... stuff like that was sexist... but I am NOT saying that the media has been working against her.. She has been getting a free ride...and I think it is because she is a woman.

[totodeinhere]

19. Does that justify voting for McCain? I don't think so.

[TBF]

What is their point? The media was strong for Hillary in the beginning,

Obama came out of nowhere to gain support. This is not sexism, it is reality. These women need to grow up - and I would say it the same way if they were men.

[mod mom]

36. Why protest the OH Dem Party?

Obama, Clinton supporters to campaign in Columbus



Associated Press - May 14, 2008 6:15 PM ET

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) - A labor union endorsing presidential candidate Barack Obama brought a national campaign to Columbus today addressing the need for comprehensive health care changes.

The Road to American Health Care, sponsored by the Service Employees International Union, planned a Statehouse rally featuring Ohioans struggling with health care costs.

Separately, a group supporting Obama's opponent in the Democratic primary, Hillary Clinton, said they will protest outside Ohio Democratic Party headquarters in Columbus tomorrow.

The group calls itself "Clinton Supporters Count Too" and promises to highlight what it says is unfavorable treatment of Clinton by the party. The group says it will campaign against Obama in the swing states of Florida, Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania if he wins over Clinton.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



http://www.wfmj.com/Global/story.asp?S=8325654



The most prominent Ohio Dem to make an endorsement was Govenor Ted Strickland who required state paid for security to have him follow Hillary around and used the Ohio governors mansion for a post primary Clinton Supporter party

[RaleighNCDUer]

67. "Clinton Supporters Count Too"

Republican trolls.

[mod mom]

92. I actually know one of the two women listed-she is a Dem party ward person.

I would have never thought she would protest ODP. She is a party insider.

[RaleighNCDUer]

96. Know her? Or just know her?

If you really know her maybe you should sit her down and have a talk. Walk her through the rationale of supporting a REAL misogynist who will overturn RvW and put men on the SC who will set back the womens' movement by decades, just to spite a candidate who has trolls posting 'on his behalf'.

Personally, I think it's all a smokescreen - it's the DLC again sabotaging the progressive wing of the party. Just like in '04, they'd rather the Democrats lose, than elect the 'wrong' Democrat who might stand up to the DLC and the corporate republicans.

[mod mom]

105. I think your supposition is correct.

Party insider was my code word. It was the party insiders (although not this woman as far as I know) who publicly called us "conspiracy theorists" for bringing up how voting machines were misallocated in inner city precincts. It was weird, John Conyers went public with the info but not the ODP. I agree this is a DLC v progressive fight for the heart & sould of the party. I fear it will get ugly-but we must stand our ground.

[Exilednight]

38. What valid point? Can you show proof that the Democratic party is sexist, or you just making ......

an assumption? I can point to specific quotes out of the Hillary camp that point to racism, but I haven't heard a single word come out of the Obama camp that is sexist.

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[rodeodance]

31. What an ageist comment!!!

........this is what happens when seniors don't take their meds

[symbolman]

55. Old people smell funny..

like babies that have seen too much :)

[TBF]

40. they probably can't afford them. But it's not like McCain's going to help them.

They really are confused.

[TexasObserver]

44. Exactly. McCain isn't going to help their medicare, social security and prescription drug concerns.

He's not going to appoint feminist judges. He's not going to do one thing they SAY they favor. But he's not Obama, so if one is crazy, it makes sense to support McCain instead of Obama.

[IronLionZion]

69. AARP is younger than John McCain

http://www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com/

[RaleighNCDUer]

74. Well, that's not fair.

I mean, who isn't?

[TexasObserver]

94. almost everything is younger than McCain

and, he's nuts

[DearAbby]

95. Hell, the Grand Canyon is younger than McCain....

[RaleighNCDUer]

70. Where's AARP when you need them?

Busy selling them insurance policies they don't need.

don't get me started on AARP.

[Renaissance Man]

8. Gee

Now, who was it that said that Hillary staying in this longer only hurts the party? These women should find something better to do with their time.

[lumberjack_jeff]

10. Have they said that they oppose Obama because men are unfit to hold the office?

If the answer is no, then they're not being sexist.

If nothing else, I have it on good authority that McCain is a guy, too.

It is stupid and their behavior is not sexist. But they have a valid concern about many of the tactics used against her.

[mckeown1128]

54. many tactics?!? which ones? nt

[EmilyAnne]

103. According to your argument, there have been NO sexist attacks against Hillary Clinton.

Not once have I heard anyone say they oppose Hillary because a woman is unfit to hold the office.

If that is your only criteria, then we have nothing to worry about.

In my opinion, the MSM spends a lot of time examining the appearance of women. It makes sense that Hillary Clinton will be treated in the same fashion by the MSM. Hence, the disgusting comments about her thighs, ankles and pantsuits. I don't think the Democratic party had anything to do with these sorts of attacks. They came from an inherently sexist, female body-obsessed MSM. It sucks and it should be rejected by progressives, but I think these well meaning women are protesting the wrong people.

[lumberjack_jeff]

113. Sexism means that you believe one gender to be inferior and/or incapable.

Mean =/= sexist.

I've heard plenty of mean things about Dennis Kucinich's height or John McCain's lack of hair, yet no one has ever described it as sexist.

I'm not saying that the MSM coverage of Hillary has always been fair, only that (this thread included) we use the concept of sexism to describe anything we don't like.

[Zachstar]

11. Anyone who supports this movement is sexist in my view I will come RIGHT out and say it.

They are not for the rights of women in my view not in the least bit because McCain is anti-choice.

And yes working against the nominee is working for McCain. PERIOD!!


I guess this group does not care that the YOUNGER women will not be able to get an abortion under any circumstance after Roe vs Wade is overturned by a conservative Supreme Court.

Screw them! They are no democrats!

[lumberjack_jeff]

13. Nope, you're limited to playing one card.

Obama supporters don't get to play the sexism card too. If nothing else, it's silly to say that they're advocating for one guy instead of the other guy for sexist reasons.

[Zachstar]

20. Roe Vs Wade

Because women are one president away from losing the right to an abortion this election is of EXTREME importance!

And Clinton knows this. Clinton has made it QUITE clean she WILL support the nominee so these people are in my view anti-choice rouges in my view (Can't have them young girls aborting their war babies! eh?)

ANYONE who supports McCain because they feel Clinton was treated somehow with sexism is no better than the sexists they supposedly hate in my view.

There is no time for bullshit anymore. We do not have 8 years to wait while rights continue to vanish.

[AllentownJake]

27. No we have many cards

Last night we played the John Edwards card. I believe we were accused of dealing from the bottom of the deck :rofl:

Obama is sitting on a Royal Flush and Hillary went all in on 2 pair.

[mckeown1128]

63. your argument is weak...

It reminds me of Hannity saying that the Republican party cares more about black voters because they have more black people in the bush administration then other presidents.

If Obama were a woman they wouldn't have an arugment... they have no evidence their whole argument is based on Obama being a man and the Democratic party having a lot of men in it.

[RaleighNCDUer]

Bzzzt

They are backing McCain because the Democratic Party is not giving them SPECIAL TREATMENT based on their candidate's sex.

That's sexist.

[krawhitham]

12. MATH IS NOT SEXIST

[CanonRay]

14. Real f-ing smart

They'll get McCain elected, the SCOTUS will get rid of Roe v Wade, and then won't they be happy. Does the phrase cutting off your nose to spite your face mean anything?

Idiots.

[Zachstar]

39. Are you sure they wont be happy?

How many people in these "Vote for McCain because Obama won on Sexism" groups will get affected by the the loss of Roe Vs Wade? Think about it for some time

The ones that do get affected and their lives ruined are usually not into politics that much as they are getting their lives going. So they will be blindsided when McCain somehow gets elected due to these groups.

The loss of Roe Vs Wade is a very REAL possibility with a McCain presidency.

[TeamJordan23]

15. Let them vote for McCain and see their pro-choice right go down the drain after Stevens retires

and McCain appoints a conservative to the bench.

[leftofcool]

18. But pro-choice is not their only issue and not all feminists or

female Dems are pro choice. Some are very much pro life.

[Zachstar]

21. removed

posting issue

[Zachstar]

24. So some women favor telling other women what to do with their bodies?

That is unacceptable in my view. How can you be a supporter of womens rights when you don't support them being in control of their own bodies?

[leftofcool]

25. No, they are just pro life

I think some women see this as a social issue not a political one and that the government should stay out of it. Many are bound by religious beliefs, even though they are Dems.

[Zachstar]

30. I don't care about religious beliefs it has nothing to do with this election

The loss of woe vs wade is going to send a shockwave starting a chain of events that will lead to women losing the HARD earned gains in rights over the decades.

So for this group to support McCain regardless is beyond belief. A sickening twisting of the women's rights movement.

[Warren DeMontague]

86. "that the government should stay out of it"... and what do you think will happen when McCain picks

the replacement for Justice Stevens, Genius?

Have you even thought your own argument through, here? :shrug:

[cali]

45. the number of pro-life women dems is very small

and this is nothing but hateful and stupid.

[Barack_America]

72. Sweetie, most of these women are past reproductive age...

So it's not themselves they'd be screwing over.

This is payback to all of the younger women who supported Obama because *gulp* he's not a lying warhawk.

(;) for the "sweetie" bit)

[CaptJasHook]

17. This post will not help right now. Let it Sink

Even if this is true, you are merely pouring gasoline on the fire.

Your timing with this post seems antagonistic and partisan.

[totodeinhere]

22. So we are supposed to ignore stuff like this? I don't think so.

I say expose these nefarious tactics so we can know what is going on and so we can work to defeat them. After all, this group is going to work to elect McCain. This is a campaign and when a group surfaces that is trying to defeat our candidate we need to know about it.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

23. Mark Penn's firm advises McCain

get it?

[LaurenG]

26. Let them go their way

If (when) Obama gets the nod he will make McCain look like exactly what he is. There is no way McCain will win this especially once Obama has some serious exposure. He's a good person, he's intellegent, he has a decent health care plan and his foreign policy rocks! Besides he's got the best of all the democrats backing him. Let them throw their fits. They won't win and McCain won't be president.

[mod mom]

28. One of those 2 women is a Dem Ward chair in my city. She ran for Congress in '96

as a Dem. Don't fool yourself that these are Limbaugh folks.

[rodeodance]

29. Why does your OP call them 'sexist" ???

An Ohio-based group of Democratic Hillary Clinton supporters say they’ll work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee, arguing that Clinton has been the subject of “intense sexism” by party leaders and the media. Led by Boomer-aged women, the group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, is holding a press conference in Columbus at noon to release this statement.

[Zachstar]

33. Roe Vs Wade

[rodeodance]

80. you are not the OP nor are responding to my question. instead you disrupt.

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[IronLionZion]

85. Grovelbot are you sexist or racist or both? nt

[izzybeans]

89. A HIllGrovelBamacan to be precise.

Grovelbot's been playing both sides of the fence ;)

[theHandpuppet]

42. Willful denial

If you haven't noticed the misogyny rampant throughout this campaign, not only in the MSM but here as well, you've got a chronic case of it.

[mckeown1128]

56. Evidence that Obama or his supporters have anything to do with this?

or do you consider people not voting for Hillary a sexist action?

[4_Legs_Good]

46. LOL. Good luck with this. They're just gonna prove themselves losers twice! n/t

[Vinca]

49. If they follow through and McCain wins, I wish them many, many

unwanted pregnancies. Okay, no I don't, but if they think women are having an unfair time now - which seems to be the issue - just wait until the first Supreme Court justice retires under a McCain presidency. I lived through the coat hanger years and it's not something we want to go back to.

[yardwork]

51. It is stupid. They're angry about sexism so they plan to help McGeezer get elected?

I don't think that these people are Democrats.

[Barack_America]

66. Yep. The man who walked out on his first wife and called his second a "trollop" and a "cunt".

All out of loyalty to a couple in which the man is a serial adulterer.

Makes sense to me!

[yardwork]

68. Doesn't get more feminist than that!

[redqueen]

77. Doesn't get much dumber than that, does it?

Wonder if Hillary will be denouncing this group...

[RaleighNCDUer]

53. Yes, it is absolutely discrimination

to not give Veruca what she want when she wants it RIGHT NOW!

[jeffrey_X]

57. They are not democrats, progressives or liberals. PERIOD.

eom

[Barack_America]

62. So once a woman is beyond reproductive age it's, "fuck reproductive freedom?"

That's lovely. And what a great example to set for young feminists!

I can't believe they're willing to torch everything they accomplished out of spite that one flawed female candidate, who ran a horrible campaign, isn't going to win.

Unreal.

[sfaprog]

65. To campaign against Obama for no other reason than he's a male is HUGELY sexist

Obama has done nothing but support women's rights, even more than the Clintons. To campaign against him for no reason other than his penis doesn't strike me as very gender-neutral.

[yardwork]

71. ...especially when they're throwing their support to another penis.

[sfaprog]

78. You mean dick.

;)

[yardwork]

90. Yeah, a big one. Matches his asshole.

[rodeodance]

93. give me proof that O. has worked more to surpport woman's right than hillary.******

........
Obama has done nothing but support women's rights, even more than the Clintons. To campaign against him for no reason other than his penis doesn't strike me as very gender-neutral

[lumberjack_jeff]

Yeah, that would be, I suppose - you know, hypothetically speaking.

Setting aside my view that what they're doing is stupid, they're campaigning against Obama because they dislike the unfair treatment Hillary has gotten.

It is no more sexist than the alternative would be racist. If Hillary were the nominee, would it be fair to describe Obama supporters who instead choose to support McCain as racist?.

Arguing that it is sexist (as opposed to simply stupid) to support McCain instead of Obama strikes me as all kinds of silly.

[jsmirman]

76. How ridiculous. If she was male, female, blue, brown, translucent, it would be time for her to go

These women are not only spectacularly stupid, the pose a threat to legitimate women's issues everywhere.

And not only is their position spectacularly dumb and bogus, but if they don't realize the lasting implications to women of a McCain victory in November, it is a wonder they have made it to those advanced ages without seeing it all end in a street crossing accident.

What a shameful me me me I'm important! world we seem to have created in this internet age. Sometimes, it is NOT you and you alone who is important, and sometimes looking out for your country and your world should take precedence over your own whiny bullcrap.

[NorthernSpy]

79. Legal equality gave women the right to compete -- NOT the "right" to win...

Thing about competing is, sometimes you lose.


Obama is winning fair and square, and without resorting to the kind of negative, divisive politics that Hillary has stooped to.


What these feminists are saying is, "Step aside and let us win, or we'll destroy everything you're working for -- even at the risk of hurting our own interests in the process."


And then they wonder why so many women are loath to use the word "feminist" in describing their views. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the behavior exhibited by self-described feminists, could it?

[Hugabear]

82. So these ignorant fucks don't care if women lose the right to choose?

That's exactly what these people are, ignorant fucks! "VOTE FOR HILLARY OR YOU'RE A SEXIST" attitudes don't help anyone, and threatening to campaign for McCain just shows that they don't give a FUCK about anyone but themselves.

I almost hope they're successful, and that McCain does win and appoints SCOTUS judges who reverse Roe v Wade, if only to see how these dimwits react. If it weren't so goddamned serious and didn't affect the entire country, then I'd say these twits deserve exactly what they would get under a McCain administration.

[ima_sinnic]

83. what a bunch of cry-baby "victim" dumbasses. call the WAAAAHMBULANCE!

hey, guess what, the rules don't change to "let the girl win"--not unless you want to regard "the girl" as incompetent to win on her own, or if she's 5 years old and needs a little ego boost. sheesh, these are not "feminists," they are republicans dumbshits.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

87. Makes sense to vote for the anti-women's-choice guy who they say called his wife a cunt.

[Barrymores Ghost]

98. You forgot "Trollop."

This group's "point," I'm afraid, is not to prove that they deserve equitable treatment, but to show how pathologically vindictive, counter-productive and breathtakingly stupid a group of people can be.

Either that, or they're undercover GOP trolls.

:hi:

[KaptBunnyPants]

88. I know where Clinton supporter hatred comes from.

If a Clinton supporter views you as a political enemy, which is true if you have deviated from their beliefs in even the slightest fashion, you automatically become responsible for every hurtful comment or joke that has been said about Hillary Clinton. It doesn't matter that the people saying these things are conservatives or hated enemies of the progressive movement. When the Hillary Nutcracker came out, that was your fault. When Chris Matthews says Hillary reminds him of a nagging wife, that's your fault. It doesn't matter if you hate his show, don't watch him, and have complained about his bizarre faux-hyper masculinity in the past. Those are just the excuses of today's more clever misogynist. Citizens United For Truth may be an organization founded and composed of movement conservatives who hate all Democrats, including Obama and his supporters. But that doesn't stop Obama, and you, from being 100% responsible for it. Apparently, blood should have flown freely down the streets for these transgressions, and our failure to seek murderous vengeance on their behalf makes us just as responsible for these things as the people who actually did them. And that is why Clinton supporters hate you.

[AtomicKitten]

91. Some Clinton people are simply too prickly for the group hug they are demanding.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

97. It IS open season on women - don't agree w/them working against Obama, however.

I find it sad that the Dem Party has been so unsupportive of the first serious female candidate - and I do wonder how much Obama is into women's issues.

[Barrymores Ghost]

100. I'm sorry, but until Super Tuesday, she was the presumptive nominee.

She led in all polling demographics -- to include the black vote -- by a WIDE margin earlier in the campaign. Hillary Clinton is not being rejected by Democrats because she's a woman. Would you appreciate it if I said I think that the only reason you WERE voting for her was because she IS a woman? Or that you aren't voting for Obama because he's a man? Or because he's black? I'm sorry, but I think it's absurd to make a blanket statement like that. Still, I suppose that it's the excuse that you have left at this stage.

Any port in a storm.

[Barrymores Ghost]

101. P.S. He's been endorsed by NARAL.

Maybe should should stop "wondering" where he is on women's issues and actually take a moment to learn. He has a storied history as a champion of women's rights.

[Liquorice]

102. Not quite.

"To be clear, we at NARAL Pro-Choice Washington remain neutral in the race … We strongly disagree with NARAL Pro-Choice America’s decision to endorse at this time.

… To endorse Obama at this point in the race is an unconscionable slap in the face to Senator Hillary Clinton.

Furthermore, I want to make sure you know there is no transfer of funds between our affiliate and NARAL Pro-Choice America. We are separate entities.

… our Board of Directors is planning a meeting to discuss our affiliate’s next steps."


http://riverdaughter.wordpress.com/2008/05/14/state-naral-affiliate-reacts/

[TBF]

104. So a local office disagrees - big deal.

[Barrymores Ghost]

110. And?

I don't presume to think that everyone affiliated with NARAL would agree with the national organization's decision. While upset with the timing, Karen Cooper goes on to say that either candidate would serve the women of America equally well. Oh, and my good friend once worked for Karen, is a Barack Obama supporter, and is ectastic about the endorsement.

[George_Bonanza]

99. It's all about history

White female president must come before black president, and a white female candidate certainly can't be defeated by a black candidate.

[zulchzulu]

106. They get the Bloody Coat Hanger of Idiocy Award

Sure, they must want Bush's wars and have Roe v Wade overturned.

You want sexism? Shit...

[Danger Mouse]

107. Wow. This is epic-level stupid here.

[jzodda]

109. Our party has one thing in abundance.....Idiots

Let em go, we don't need morons in the party. They will be on Billo tonight...More credibility for them. LOL

[pnwmom]

112. I don't see any quotes from the women that support the subject line.

Or that support the first sentence stating they'll "work actively against Sen. Barack Obama if he becomes the nominee."

I will strongly support Obama in the general, and I hope and expect that these women will too.

But they are correct that there has been a HUGE amount of sexism and misogyny directed at both HRC and her supporters during this campaign. For many women it has been an eye-opening experience.

[mckeown1128]

116. Apparently you missed what the purpose of the group is....

they are coordinating to work against Obama if the Democratic party doesn't listen to their concern that Hillary has been mistreated and thusly give her the nomination over Obama.


Basically if a man gets the nomination over Hillary they are going to vote for McCain. What's so hard to understand?

[pnwmom]

117. As I said, if that's what they're doing, I'm against it. But why are their

grievances so hard for so-called progressives to understand?

There has been a sickening amount of sexism and misogyny directed toward HRC, and much of it comes from the left.

[mckeown1128]

118. Evidence of it coming from the left please...

you can't make a case against the left for sexism...

the only thing there is the left rejecting Hillary... and it has nothing to do with her being female.

[pnwmom]

120. If you've been paying any attention on DU at all, you wouldn't say that.

Or are you saying that it isn't sexist or misogynistic to call her names like B---ch and C--t, and her supporters, "Hillary's harpies?"

And no, I can't point to a specific post because eventually the worst stuff gets deleted by the mods.

[mckeown1128]

121. So you think they organizing to vote for McCain because a few

rightfully angered Obama supporters on DU used some poorly chosen bad words about Hillary... what about all the Clinton supporters that have repeatedly called Obama a D!ck or A$$hole. Please...I asked for evidence of this grand sexist plot against Hillary coming from the left and you referenced a few locked/erased internet posts. Give me a break...and some real examples.

[pnwmom]

123. That's not what I said, as you know. Twice I said that I disagree with them

organizing against the Democratic nominee. Do I need to say that a third time?

I've been neutral in this race all along -- I'm not in the Hillary camp. But from my perspective, the amount of misogyny and sexism here on DU has been shocking, and it began long before Obama became the prime contender. Calling HRC a C--t or a whore is like calling Obama the N word -- and you know that is something no DUer would do.

Also, many DUers have made nasty comments about her feminine (or not feminine enough) appearance or voice, who would never dream of making racially biased comments about Obama's appearance.

Instead of disparaging the women who are upset about the way Hillary and her supporters have been treated, Obama's supporters and the rest of the Democrats should be trying to reach out to them, trying to mend fences before it's too late. That's what I'm doing with my friends who've supported Hillary. And you'd be wise to do it, too.

[mckeown1128]

127. I am interested in disparaging women upset about Hillary's treatment...

I am interested in disparaging those who would vote for McCain. These folks have already committed to McCain I highly doubt they are going to warm up to Obama.

Yes there have been a FEW people on DU who have used those words... but there have also been a FEW Clinton supporters who have posted "Obama has muslim terrorist" newsmax stories here.(and your kidding yourself if you think that doesn't stem from race)


I also see no concern about sexist name calling when it has been aimed at Obama. (He's a d#ck, he's such a pu$$y, etc) So please don't act like it is one sided... and I return to my original complaint... This group is making claims that it is the DNC that is being sexist, not the few currently TS'd DU posters.

[pnwmom]

130. When has a DUer EVER called Obama a pu$$y?

Yeah, you can't show me.

Because if anyone ever did, it was stricken.

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[anonymous171]

119. How about we fill their spaces with some Obamacans?

[casus belli]

122. This group will set feminism back 20 years.

With growing calls for Clinton to leave the race, she said, women feel like “we’re being told to sit down, shut up, and get with the program.”

That they think this is a function of sexism, rather than her position in the race is telling. I think this group should be SOUNDLY denounced, and I thinbk it should be feminists doing the denouncing so they can't use the objectiuons to validate their claims that they are being suppressed by people with a sexist agenda.

If the roles were reversed, I don't see the scenario being any different. If the math were as inevitable in Hillary's favor, I don't see the calls for her opponent to resign from the race being any less pointed.

[pnwmom]

124. Instead of dumping on these women -- who have valid reason for being upset --

why aren't we reaching out to them and to other women like them?

Does anyone really think that alienating them further is going to help either the party or the country?

[Colobo]

125. Valid reason for being upset?

[mckeown1128]

128. Don't ask for reasons or examples...

all they do is say that sexism is rampant and the only examples they'll give is by pointing out that a few TS'd DUers said "B###" or "C$$$" oh and they'll point out Twitty as an example of MSM sexism. It's all they have so it's all they'll give as examples.

[pnwmom]

129. There have been INNUMERABLE DU posts making fun of HRC's

feminine appearance (or lack thereof) her "thick ankles," her "shrill" voice, her "cackle," her pantsuits, or calling her nasty misogynistic names.

Ask any moderator on GD-P.

[mckeown1128]

131. Many I doubt it....

I see about an equal amount of those posts about Hillary as I have seen "Obama's terrorist ties finally revealed" posts.


Oh and you ironically missed the point of my post. So, I will repeat it.

Hillary supporters can't come up with any examples of sexism against Hillary Clinton except Tweety and a few quickly there after TS'd DUers who post vile crap. There isn't this big DNC conspiracy against Hillary based on or using sexism. As far as the media is concerned Hillary has and still is getting a free ride.

1. She was crowned the presumptive nominee for the whole year up until she started losing.

2. She isn't getting the huckabee treatment. The media started ignoring Huckabee when it became improbable that he would be the nominee.

3. They vet to death every Obama scandal... yet they haven't dived into any of the numerous Hillary scandals...except Snipergate...which they stopped covering as soon as Wright popped up again.

4. They continually question why Obama isn't "finishing the deal" like it's a bad thing that he is winning but not getting 100% of the vote. Meanwhile Hillary is losing and is championed as a fighter that can't be written off.

[GoldieAZ49]

126. Not surprising, and not just an organized group

individual women with no group affiliation feel the same way and will vote accordingly.

It looks like the independents will have a growing party from both sides this year. They already decide the results of every national election, they are the non affiliated party of power.