Who is the decider on Hillary's new 'delegates needed to win' count of 2210?

[RiverStone]

Can the credentials committee nix her faulty assumption in the bud on May 31, or could she refuse to quit (even if she disagrees with the May 31 seating determination) and take it all the way to the convention in August for a floor debate?

Of course, Wolfson and Clinton have now deemed the pledge she and Obama, Edwards etc. took last fall regarding FLA/MI as no longer applicable.




On edit: changed rules committee to credential committee (hope thats right)

[gateley]

1. Hillary. nt

[pbca]

2. What I heard is that

Obama needs 3000 to clinch it but Hillary only needs 1500. I don't really get the logic but it has something to do with the metric system and the difference in time zones between New York and Chicago *shrug*

[book_worm]

3. She thinks she can impose her will. In the end MI will be seated probably 50-50

between Obama and Clinton. In Florida they will seat a delegation probably with a 10 vote lead for Hillary. In the end it won't matter because Obama will have won more than enough delegates.

[BenDavid]

4. All this was based upon all 50 states being granted delegates,

and the number was 2025. Now if the two states in question are not seated and have no delegates would that not make the delegate count needed to win, be higher?

[cali]

5. I'm confident that the RBC and Credentials committee know that Obama

is the nominee and that they won't give hill all of Michigan with Obama not receiving a single vote or delegate.

[Ganja Ninja]

6. The super-delegates may have something to say about this

becoming a floor fight. They can shut Hillary down and make it no contest regardless of whether FL & MI are counted if they want to.

[RiverStone]

7. How can they "shut her down"?

I'd like to think this is accurate, but I heard Wolfson say on CNN the other day that Hillary will not consider any exit until MI/FLA are seated.

I'm just wondering if she refuses to exit the race - will it be like a guest who has over-stayed her welcome at a very late night party?

[NotThisTime]

8. If enough Super's come out for Obama combined with pledged to put him over 2210 - she's DONE

Course she should be done at 2024

[CoffeeCat]

9. Yes, not only will Hillary be the guest...

...who wouldn't leave, she'll still have the lampshade on her head as she dances to
"Shock the Monkey" long after everyone else has gone home.

[BattyDem]

10. The Rules and Bylaws Committee made the decision to strip Florida and Michigan of their delegates.

Because of that, 2025 delegates are needed to win the nomination.

I can't imagine that same committee overturning their own decision in a way that would allow those two states to decide the nominee. The party would blow up!

[RiverStone]

13. I can't imagine it either, but Hillary apparently can - in fact, she is banking on it. n/t

[BattyDem]

14. I know she is, but does she honestly believe ...

they are going to nuke the entire party just to give her what she wants? :shrug:

[RiverStone]

20. That's a good question!

She said to Wolf (CNN) yesterday that she believes we can't go to the convention with (just) 48 states and that the credential committee must decide to seat the respective states' delegates.

Yet, she no longer refers to any rules being broken.

It's hard to fathom that she really thinks the party would flip the donkey cart over just for her, but she still says she plans to be the nominee.

So either she really believes it, or she does not - but has ulterior motives for staying in the race ($$$???).

[panAmerican]

11. You still don't get it? Let me explain: Clinton needs 2025; Obama, OTOH, needs 2209

:sarcasm:

[totodeinhere]

12. It's probably a moot point because Obama should be able to easily surpass 2210 delegates anyway...

the way things are going.

[chitty]

15. He needs the 2025

before the 31st.

This way he wins as the rules are now.

Much harder to change the rules if this happens.

[BattyDem]

16. That's a good point!

:toast:

[Texas Hill Country]

17. if that happens before MI and FL are settled, you are risking all out war in the party

it would be an incredibly dumb thing to do.

[chitty]

19. Why?

He won it without Mi & Fl

End of story.

[WeDidIt]

18. Under the rules, it would be 2131 if FL and MI are seated

Under the rules, the absolute minimum punishment that is automatic for their transgressions is the pledged delegations must be cut in half.

Assuming they gave the super delegates a full vote rather than dish out further punishment, that would put the number to nominate at 2131.

2210 is bullshit.

[BlooInBloo]

21. Nobody really cares what she says anymore.