WAITIN' ON DU to MAKE a DIFFERENCE!

[FrenchieCat]

I cannot wait till DU coalesces around the Dem Nominee, and we can can begin to organize to make a difference! As a "united" Democratic Underground, we have the potential of making our mark during the General Election period here at DU.

We all should understand that the media and the Freeper blogs come here to harvest information that they can spin as stories. No wonder that Snubgate and Fingergate eventually found their way into mainstream news; these lazy reporters find coming here and other progressive sites as perfectly acceptable! To illustrate; DU was mentioned and the site shown on CNN earlier this morning, and they had researched and made a story out of the Boxing Glove guy mystery.

So now that it is clear that our communications here is reviewed and researched by corporate news sources, we really need to get started in digging up McCain't dirt and putting up multiple threads, recommending them up to a frenzy, and letting the info we want out to be harvested by the corporate media.

By organizing a writer's forum and/or utilizing the Activist Forum now in existence, we can make our collective views known to the corporate media and become a real asset to the nominee in tearing down smears aimed at our elected Nominee.

I believe that DU can play both defense and offense as a unit, and would be very effective as an arm length's voice for our nominee's campaign. We can attack by sending avalanches of mails and phone calls to corporate media sources, and providing other Dem Friendly blogs information, and be part of the creation of a Left Wing Democratic echo chamber.

What is unfortunate is that as long as DU is still fighting the Obama/Clinton primaries, we are pretty much not getting much else done, and that is not good.

I'll be glad when we are able to do what we can do best to help a Democrat proceed on to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but until then, we are really more of a hinder to our eventual nominee than we are of any use.

It is a pity, but I guess that DU admin doesn't mind that we literally are hurting our own until they make the call. To date, McCain't threads started tend to fall to the bottom, while threads in where we call each other and our nominees names and such stay floating high.

In otherwords, till we coalesce, we are part of the problem and fruit for McCain't and Corp. Media oppo research, as we have yet to get in the mode to, in earnest. dedicate our potential strength and power in our unity against McCain't, here at DU.

Just comment or/and Kick and Rec if you can't wait to make a difference against McCain't. :hi:

[elocs]

1. We need to turn around our circular firing squad and fact the other way.

McCain and the Republicans are the enemy. Both Obama and Clinton can still campaign. They just need to promote themselves and go after McCain. The last thing the Democratic Party needs is for their 2 candidates for the nomination to be attacking and trying to tear down and belittle one another. We need to end the one-upsmanship about how bad the other candidate is, or how we would never vote for or support the opposing candidate. We are Democrats and any Democrat is better than any Republican, particularly the two we have compared to McCain.

[FrenchieCat]

3. That's all we've done, all primary season long.......

and initially that was OK....but now that the math really does favor one nominee way over the other, and that pesky fact that Hillary supporters are desperate to find "something Big" to harm Obama, this is now becoming a dangerous place for our almost there nominee, when that shouldn't be the case.

In otherwords, Obama folks are still fighting off attacks and trying to get Hillary out of the game, Meawhile, we aren't really doing anything but a post here and there about McCain't.

It really is that elementary, and I'm kind of in wonder how DU Admins are rationalizing that we are not contributiong to making a difference by fighting the evil forces of the Republican party and their nominee.

[griffi94]

6. then get going on mccain

obama is going to be the nominee. what more do you need to move on. if some of hillarys supporters here still want to fight
let them fight amongst themselves.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Because until DU admin close this forum and allow only those supporting

our nominee to post, folks just don't seem interested in McCain't. And we really do need all of the energy that DU generates, not just some.

The few threads that I started on McCain't were left to sink....each and everytime.

Plus, right now we are on a limit of how many threads we can start per 24 hour periods, and so many will make their topics on what is still going on, and that is defending Obama from Hillary supporters and their posts.

Like I said, I'm waiting for Admin to get off the pot.

[phrigndumass]

12. I'll second that, with a big thumbs up

... or at least they could transition. Open up GD to election-speak (Obama), or create a new big forum for GD Elections.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

There may still be a "candidate" Clinton, but she's no longer viable. The MSM has moved on, and so should we.

[K Gardner]

49. Either that, or we need to open the new GE Forum. People who want to continue to bash Obama

and promote Clinton as the Nominee can stay here. I wouldn't wait for admins.. they've done nothing yet and are unlikely to until the bitter end.

We cannot lose more time. This has been my beef all along, Frenchie.. total waste of Democratic energy.

[FrenchieCat]

2. Kicking for those who actually understand what I mean.

Waiting another month is really doing what the Kerry Campaign was perceived of having done to the Swiftboaters in response; nothing.

John Kerry learned a hard lesson from this. I'd hate to have sat around with such a powerful tool that DU could be, doin' nothin'. :(

[Aloha Spirit]

4. I have a bunch of stuff, is there a specific McCain forum yet? That would be sweet.

[FrenchieCat]

10. That's just it. We aren't yet organized........

and we really should be, if we, as part of the netroots, are going to make a difference before our nominee is totally labeled, and McCain't basks in the glory of his base; the corporate news media.

It's a shame....really. :(

[Aloha Spirit]

17. Should it be in the research forum?

[FrenchieCat]

18. I believe that it should be all over the place.

The media isn't going to go to the "Research Forum" to grab what they want. The shit needs to be all over the place.

I'm frustrated. We could be doing some good, but instead, we gift a Monkey shirt story to the media. We should be making our own shirt depicting McCain't as the asshole that he is.

[Aloha Spirit]

19. Okay that is definitely something us people need to do. Screenprint Tee shirts.

[Aloha Spirit]

20. There should be a daily McCain thread the same way there's a daily Obama thread.

[FrenchieCat]

21. There should be a whole bunch of McCain't this and that......

and a whole bunch of threads with great stories and acnedotes on Obama.

But alas, it is not to be.

I'm getting pissed just understanding the ramifications of this inaction that we are currently involved in. We should be the grown ups in the room at this point.

[Aloha Spirit]

26. Well, with the daily Obama thread, what I've seen is, people post stuff as it comes in on the main

thread, and the big stuff gets posted in separate threads. It's a way for people to post lots of stories without using up all their daily posts. But my McCain threads just get buried under the racism, sexism, unity, etc threads. I had a really good thread today on how in 2006, Bush pretty much said that he lies about stuff because of politics, and that that's what we're seeing all over again. Two responses.

I think once def con is over, we should all make a pact to always hide stupid threads so that they sink.

[The Doctor.]

5. Oh, it's going to be

Spectaular.

The Republikons have no idea what they're about to face... and they're already scared.

[FrenchieCat]

7. I'm just an activist by nature. So I want to get to that part of things.

:shrug:

[TheDonkey]

9. I hope the DU admin are listening

rather than making jokes about the situation they are ready to UNITE DU behind Obama!

[FrenchieCat]

11. Their Donation Drive not to donate would have gone much better.....

In that we could now be attracting new Obama members who want to join in the cause of taking a Democrat into the White House.

So I don't know if Admin is listening, but since I'm serious as a heart attack, they should be.

I guess we could take it off site elsewhere and get started......but it is a shame that my home board would make me have to go through those kind of changes.

I'm interested in doing what wasn't done in the way that it could have been in 2004. The Internet is full grown now, and we know better than to get lazy, when this should be optimum time for us to be preparing for the incoming fire, and gathering the dossier for outgoing bombs.

If right now, this site was full of negative McCain't stuff and positive Obama stuff, the media would have no choice but to read it. But as it is, we are ineffectual. Not a good thing.

[TheDonkey]

22. Agreed 100%. Why is the DU Admin intent on thwarting unity?

It has gone beyond trying to appease Hillary supporters to downright denial that Obama has mathematically locked up the nomination. Time to clean up all this anti-Obama nonsense and "I'm not voting for Obama!" spam.

I can only hope that the more DUers speak up and keep the pocketbooks closed that the admin will WAKE UP asap!

The real fight begins NOW against Bush III: McCain.

[FrenchieCat]

29. Has to do with the forest and the trees, and not being able to see.....I suppose.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

32. As Per The Multiple Threads Started By The Admins, When The Time Comes They Will.

Until then, deal with it.

[foo_bar]

13. seriously adminfolk, what definition of "presumptive nominee" are you using?

At some point between now and the Democratic convention in August, one of the two remaining Democratic front-runners will drop out of the race, and the remaining candidate will become the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee. When we have a presumptive nominee, the time for fighting on DU will come to an end. The squabbling will not drag on until the "official" nomination at the convention in August. The transition to general election mode begins when we have a presumptive nominee. And we have no doubt that the vast majority of our members -- regardless of which candidate you support in the primaries -- will be glad to move forward and support the nominee.

We understand that not everyone will be prepared to immediately put the primaries behind us. There will be some jerks on the winning side who insist on gloating. And there will be some sore losers on the other side who will want to keep attacking the nominee. Once we have a presumptive nominee, those people will have one week to get it out of their systems. We believe that a one-week transitional period is more than fair for those of you who cannot switch gears easily or quickly. After this week-long adjustment period, we're done.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4798898

Rahm Emanuel: Obama Is Our Presumptive Nominee

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/09/rahm-emanuel-obama-is-our_n_100992.html

SEIU: Obama 'presumptive nominee'

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0508/SEIU_Obama_presumptive_nominee.html#comments

Assuming the tone of his party's presumptive nominee, he promised more affordable housing for low-income people, universal health care, early childhood education programs, tax breaks for middle income workers, an end to the war in Iraq in 2009 and $4,000 in tuition credits for college students who perform community service.

http://www.mlive.com/news/index.ssf/2008/05/obama_gets_edwards_endorsement.html

The presumptive Democratic presidential nominee is far from perfect. But he has demonstrated the most mysterious and precious gift in politics, which is grace under pressure.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/09/AR2008050902045.html

Clinton campaign memo asks why "presumptive nominee" Obama can't win West Virginia.

WASHINGTON--The Clinton campaign realizes that the Obama team wants to brush aside Tuesday's expected thumping in West Virginia and turn the conversation to all the superdelegates they are collecting. Not so fast, said Clintom memo writers in a "Why West Virginia Matters" brief.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/05/clinton_campaign_memo_asks_why.html

[FrenchieCat]

15. I just hope that they won't realize it on "hindsight"......

cause "hindsight" don't mean shit....especially if there were enough of us warning as to the dangers of waiting around for "the end".

We are supposed to be ahead of the curve, not following right behind it.

Just like we should be originating stories, not passing on what the Corporate media is reporting.

In otherwords, my feeling is that we are behind the tide and we should be going against it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

36. The Real One.

Much respect to them for their convictions, lack of bias, integrity and fairness. Must be tough with the tons of children that probably harass them for it, but they've stuck to their guns, are in the right, and I have the world of respect towards them for it.

[FrenchieCat]

42. Like I said.........

Nobody's perfect, and sometimes the damage cannot be assessed until after the fact when even saying sorry just doesn't do it.

[foo_bar]

58. I think that would be when the Clinton campaign calls Obama the "presumptive nominee"

Clinton campaign memo asks why "presumptive nominee" Obama can't win West Virginia.

WASHINGTON--The Clinton campaign realizes that the Obama team wants to brush aside Tuesday's expected thumping in West Virginia and turn the conversation to all the superdelegates they are collecting. Not so fast, said Clintom memo writers in a "Why West Virginia Matters" brief.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5986285&mesg_id=5987013

Much respect to them for their convictions, lack of bias, integrity and fairness.

Sorry OMC, but you're living refutation of this proposition.

[phrigndumass]

14. Kickin

[FrenchieCat]

16. Go read the forum titles as they stand now.

There is only threads about how Hillary supporters will vote McCain. Now, what kind of shit is that to have to even look at on a Democratic supporting Forum.

This shit is ass backwards.

The admins know that most of us are pissed (both sets of supporters for different reasons), but is the gravity as to why even being contemplated....and the negative ramifications that this involves.

Sad to say, but I'm "waitin' on slow ass DU"...

[reggie the dog]

23. I remember when

we attacked Republicans and their policies on this forum. Oh the good ole days....

[countingbluecars]

24. Soon I hope!

K&R

[Why Syzygy]

25. I'm ready now too. I'm sick of the Freepers getting a free pass to

slime both our candidates under the guise of party affiliation. From here on out, anyone who cannot get behind the presumptive, winning, nominee needs to be cut off at the knees. I know if Hillary were the nominee, I would be looking for another board.

[bigwillq]

27. GODEMS!

:bounce:

K and R!

[FrenchieCat]

28. That's the problem though isn't it? We aren't going nowhere fast.......

and it would seem that we should be on the cutting edge....instead of waiting to walk at the very back of the line.

But is part of what Dems are know for; passive inaction, thinking somebody else is going to get it done. :(

[phrigndumass]

30. Kickin again

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. Oh Get Over It Already. That Time Will Be Here Soon Enough And DU Will Rally And Do Their Part Just

fine. Enough with the melodrama.

Your calling out the admins as if we're affecting our GE chances somehow by still being able to discuss both candidates, is borderline pathetic and desperate. Seriously, get a grip.

When it's time to rally behind our nominee, we will. Some will fall for sure, but overall DU will do what DU does best.

[FrenchieCat]

35. What does DU do that is what it does best?

apart from this:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. You're The One Who Referenced It Genius.

Simmer down.

[MethuenProgressive]

43. I recommend this post.

:dem:

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[FrenchieCat]

34. This is us.........

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. Only In "I'm So Closed Minded I Think The Internets Is The Real World" Lala Land.

[FrenchieCat]

41. Read the OP again.....it appears that the shit started here

ends up in living rooms all over the US, thanks to the Corporate vultures.

[ronnykmarshall]

47. More like thanks to the those that threw the shit in the first place.

[phrigndumass]

39. Frenchie, I posted a new thread proposing a new forum: GD:GE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5987650&mesg_id=5987650

Please come and join!

Thanks!

- Phrig :)

[FrenchieCat]

40. Good deal!

that's a great suggestion on middle grounds.

This makes me hopeful! I've got some dirt on McCain't I'd like to unload! Yes we can! :patriot:

[phrigndumass]

50. Your thread here is what inspired me.

Thanks for the inspiration, Frenchie!

:D :patriot:

[TheDonkey]

46. I propose that GD:P be turned into GD:GE. Time to unite

[zabet]

44. This has been the biggest problem...

Unity and Hope and Silk Ponies! :woohoo:

[GoldieAZ49]

51. So true, and that problem isn't going away

I have never seen 'unity and hope' packaged uglier

[Bjornsdotter]

59. Yeah well if my pony

....isn't purple, I'm not playing.

[FrenchieCat]

45. See, if we were united, we'd be writing letters and calling CNN and

on this nazi bullshit.

But of course, that would take a mamoth effort as most Hillary supporters pray that this does something negative to the Obama campaign. It's just awkward....and it is too bad.

[saracat]

48. Talk about delusional. Sheesh. DU is NOT the center of the universe

and I hate to break it to you, but DU is not really important in the general scheme of things and has little to no effect on the General Election. But please, rave on. That is the purpose of DU.
And a suggestion? If you are unhappy with the conduct of the administrators of this board you might try letting them know "privately" or you could start your own site!

[GoldieAZ49]

52. oh the ego's here!

some of the most delusional statements of sheer arrogance...it is always good for a laugh

[TheDonkey]

53. it is that sort of narrow mindedness that would keep DU from being a force in democratic politics

and I hope there or few posters like you and more like FrenchieCat trying to make a difference.

[Breeze54]

55. You used to defend DU....

so sad....

saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Thu Jun-30-05 11:39 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=273x33403

Original message

Another call to action.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3986521&mesg_id=3986521
A defense of DU is also in order.

[SwampG8r]

54. theres the frenchie

i like to see
welcome back sweetie

[FrenchieCat]

56. Hey!

:hi:


You can call me sweetie anytime! :blush:

[SwampG8r]

57. aw shucks maam

(toes ground with shoe)
you really got spot on with this one
you coming out of your funk?
looks like you reaquired perspective