Remember when Gray Davis endorsed Clinton?

[MonkeyFunk]

And a lot of people here attacked him? Attacked him viciously? Called him all sorts of names, blamed him for everything bad in California, and took great joy in the fact that he'd been recalled?

He appointed one Supreme Court justice during his tenure, Justice Carlos Moreno.

Justice Moreno was in the majority in today's ruling overturning bans on gay marriage. A 4-3 majority.

Without Justice Moreno, the decision would likely have gone the other way.

So people really ought to dial back the hate they spew over this primary and realize that there are bigger issues involved, and tearing down and destroying democrats in the service of your candidate is short-sighted, unproductive and just generally stupid.

Thank you, Gray Davis. Thank you, Justice Moreno.

[NewHampshireDem]

1. Nope. Can't say I do.

:shrug:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

2. Lol.

I met Davis once, back in the day.

Unimpressed would be an undestatement.

[NewHampshireDem]

8. Don't get me wrong, today was a great day for CA, but ...

Davis ... that was a train-wreck, wasn't it ... and the whole recall thing is an excellent example of the kind of circular-firing squad that we should be trying to discourage, which is hardly done by picking at our own scabs.

[lastliberalintexas]

23. Davis was a train wreck because of Enron

And the recall was engineered by republicans in order to put Schwarzenegger in office. Not a circular firing squad AT ALL, since it wasn't the Dems freaking idea. Damn.

[NewHampshireDem]

30. I should have been clearer ... the circular firing squad was what allowed Ah-nold to be elected

From CNN:

"Voters ousted incumbent Gov. Gray Davis on Tuesday and selected Schwarzenegger over 134 other candidates on the ballot."

http://edition.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/10/07/recall.main/index.html

[PBS Poll-435]

10. You don't *recall?*

[NewHampshireDem]

19. Ah man! I wish I had thought of that!

:rofl:

Can you edit it out of your post so I can put it in mine? ;)

[PBS Poll-435]

25. Nah. You can have the next one!

:rofl:

[murielm99]

3. Yes, thank you Gray Davis.

He was unfairly attacked and unfairly recalled. That recall was a republican engineered hit job. And our whole economy will look like Enron if we have another four years of republican rule.

[cali]

4. No, but I'm sure it happened- though it's been hillary supporters

who have specialized in being vicious and disgusting about Obama endorsements:

Teddy Kennedy- repeatedlly called a drunk and killer
Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg
John Kerry
Pat Leahy
Chris Dodd
John Edwards

and many more.

All called vile names.

You are completely and totally one sided. You could have made this a positive post, but it's really not. It's simply more bashing of Obama supporters. That's really what you're all about lately.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. LOL

You'll notice I didn't chastise any one side. It was for everybody.

God, you should be embarrassed by half the shit you post.

[NewHampshireDem]

15. I'm confused ... did Hillary supporters trash Davis for his endorsement.

Again, since I don't recall any of it, that really comes as a surprise to me. :shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

24. No, but that's not the point, is it?

It's about dialing back all the hate because there are bigger issues than just this primary.

[cali]

16. LOL.

Of course you did. You wrote a divisive post under the guise of writing something complimentary to Davis. Transparent.

[MonkeyFunk]

20. No I didn't

And I'm not taking any fucking lectures from YOU on divisiveness.

I used Gray Davis as an example because THAT WAS MY FUCKING POINT!!!! The Supreme Court ruling today hinged on his appointment.

The bigger point I made, though, was meant for ALL sides.

[cali]

27. If that was your intention YOU would have simply posted

a thread thanking Davis for the appointment without the nasty swipes. YOU didn't. And few will buy your "making a point to all sides".

[MonkeyFunk]

34. Because my POINT

was that good democrats are getting smeared here over stupid shit like endorsements, and Gray Davis was the prime example.

If I wanted to attack Obama supporters in this thread, I would've done so in the OP.

Fuck, you guys are sick. Only in GDP is a request to dial back the hate considered "divisive". And to be called it by someone like you is just downright hilarious.

[NewHampshireDem]

28. Okay ... okay ...

"So people really ought to dial back the hate they spew over this primary and realize that there are bigger issues involved, and tearing down and destroying democrats in the service of your candidate is short-sighted, unproductive and just generally stupid."

A respectful suggestion:

The opening of your post establishes a different thesis than the one supported by your sentence above, which I believe you are saying is your 'main point.'

I see that now.

Perhaps changing the unclear 'people' to 'supporters of both candidates' and a specific example could be provided for the 'bigger issues involved,' by adding something such as 'like the likely retirement of sitting USSC Justices in the next four years.'

That might help clear up any confusion.

:)

[cui bono]

49. and even with those critiques in mind...

you still earned a smiley face!

:-)

[EmilyAnne]

5. I love Gray Davis! Its true that we need to consider court appointments when we decide

who to vote for in November. There is too much at stake. We need a Democrat in the White House. Its the only way great things can happen, such as today's CA ruling!

AS an aside, my partner and were already planning a visit to San Francisco next month. Now, we are talking about get married when we're there.

[george_maniakes]

6. Dont take this the wrong way, but im guessing a large number of democrats...

wouldnt have minded at all if that decision went the other way. Certainly it seems a majority of americans are of a different opinion.
Then again a majority of americans believe a lot of odd things so what do i know.

[Occam Bandage]

7. Actually, no. I remember it being pretty calm. I defended him from a few attacks, but this

mass hatefest you're proposing seems to be an exaggeration of a wishful memory.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. Nope

I remember defending him from some pretty vicious people.

[sandnsea]

11. I don't remember that either

and would not have been remotely surprised that Gray Davis endorsed Hillary. Nobody ever said every single thing Bill or Davis did was bad, only that their policy proved to be wrong for the country - and that fighting their baggage isn't worth more free trade, more useless tax credits, more foreign policy bluster...

[Blue-Jay]

13. I remember that. AND?

Many competent level-headed folks have endorsed Sen Clinton. I don't think that too many (what - three or four? five?) supporters of Sen Obama made a big deal out of that particular endorsement. If you're trying to imply that a handful of DU douchebags are representative of all of Obama's supporters, you're incorrect.

[MonkeyFunk]

17. Nothing in my post

singles out any one side.


I give up. There's a point to be made, and I did it without slamming any one side. But some people are determined to turn this into yet another hateful partisan attack where there is none.

[Blue-Jay]

31. I guess I didn't follow the point that you were trying to make.

There were some twists in there that I'm probably too stupid to understand.

"(Gov Davis) appointed one Supreme Court justice during his tenure, Justice Carlos Moreno." - Damned good appointment.

"Justice Moreno was in the majority in today's ruling overturning bans on gay marriage. A 4-3 majority." - Hell yes! I agree wholeheartedly.

"Without Justice Moreno, the decision would likely have gone the other way." - Possibly/probably, depending on the appointment of someone else. Gov Davis could have picked someone else, and the results of today's vote may have been different.


Am I following so far?


Now, we get to the point that Gov Davis endorsed Sen Clinton for the presidency. That was his call, and I believe that I referred to people who attacked him regarding his endorsement as "douchebags". I stand by that statement.

Davis did the right thing in appointing Moreno. Moreno did the right thing regarding today's ruling. A few douchebags talked shit about Davis' endorsement. And I didn't turn this thread into a "hateful partisan attack". If I've missed something, I'd appreciate a clarification.

[MonkeyFunk]

36. No, you didn't turn it into that

I'm saying some in this thread are characterizing MY OP that way.

[Blue-Jay]

43. Well, some people are idiots. We both know that.

I wasn't trying to be confrontational or anything.

(maybe I just missed shooting the shit with my friend)

[book_worm]

14. Actually I don't recall when Davis endorsed Clinton, probably in '07

when she was the presumptive nominee. BTW, I was strongly against his recall.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

38. I think he meant

Bill Clinton - the former president, the only person who could have appointed a supreme court justice... Hillary was not involved as far as I know.

[MonkeyFunk]

46. No

I was referring to Gray Davis endorsing Hillary Clinton for President a few months ago.

When Gray Davis was governor, he appointed Moreno to the California Supreme Court.

[Danger Mouse]

18. Gray Davis? I thought it was shitty that he was re-called.

I didn't know he had endorsed Clinton. Oh well.

[Shakespeare]

21. I *heart* Gray. I also *heart* my mayor, Antonio Villaraigosa, and Gavin Newsom, too.

They all endorsed Hillary, and they remain some of my most favorite politicians. :hi:

[TheDonkey]

35. Villarraigosa has been a corrupt and terrible mayor of LA. No wonder he came skipping to Hillary

he has been a disaster for this city.

[Shakespeare]

40. OMFG, no, he has NOT. Hahn, his predecessor was, however.

You want to slam him about his affair, fine--he should've kept his pants zipped. But on a profesional level, he's been a GOOD mayor.

[MonkeyFunk]

48. a perfect example of what I'm talking about in the OP

Let go of the hate.

[terrya]

44. They're all good people. Gavin Newsom will be a hero in the fight for same-sex marriage equality.

I appreciate MonkeyFunk posting this. I'm genuinely perplexed as to how this thread turned into partisan bickering. I guess some people around here aren't "big picture" types.

[Shakespeare]

47. Yup. That man has shown great political courage in his steadfast support of gay marriage.

I'm worn out by all the fighting. I just wanna have a group hug and talk about what a weak, defeatable asshat McCain is.

[woolldog]

22. No. I don't believe this happened.

Can you prove it with a link?

[MonkeyFunk]

26. No

advanced search is down now.

But those of you who deny it happened are just continuing your usual pattern of lying about everything. OF course it happened. Have you EVER seen an endorsement here where the person wasn't trashed by one side or the other? Why would Gray Davis be any different?

[woolldog]

29. Why would anyone bash Gray Davis?

The guy is harmless.

[MonkeyFunk]

37. Because he endorsed Clinton

[terrya]

32. Well, let me help send this to the Greatest Page. Recommended.

God, what a great day. WHEN we get same-sex marriage equality in this country, this day will be a turning point.

I think if you have even a particle of concern, a particle of support of our goals of equality, you will dispense with partisianship and just freaking CELEBRATE this ruling.

[MonkeyFunk]

39. Too late, Terrya

There will be no unity. People are determined to make sure of that.

[msallied]

42. Yeah, you're doing a great deal to help with that.

You're only able to cry about lack of unity when you stop being so blatantly divisive.

[terrya]

50. This is a historic day for gays and lesbians in this country.

I can't stress this enough. MonkeyFunk was thanking the people possible, in this case Gray Davis, former governor, for appointing the Justices who handed down this great ruling.

I guess I just don't understand what's the problem with that.

[MonkeyFunk]

51. I've never once started a thread

attacking a democrat.

I've never attacked anybody for who they endorse.

I have argued for months that tearing down democrats is stupid, self-defeating and pointless.

And I do fight with people who DO tear down democrats. If you want to call that divisive, you're an idiot.

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[myrna minx]

41. I actually don't recall that, but I, too would like to add a thank Gov. Gray Davis

and Justice Moreno for this historic ruling for Human RIghts.

[OzarkDem]

45. Gray Davis was a good governor

certainly head and shoulders above the Gropenfuhrer. I hope those who bashed Davis are happy with the governor they have now.

How many good Supreme Court justices has he appointed?