Can we please stop the bull crap about Hillary being a racist.

[jasmine621]

What the hell have all the Dem candidates been doing since FDR but recognizing that the southern white vote was crucial to winning the Presidency? Why the hell was Johnson picked as JFK's VP, and all the rest of the VPs since. They were there to strenthen the ticket in the sourthern states. To recognize this as fact is not racism but realism. Because Hillary steps up to the plate and declares a truism does not make her a racist.

[LakeSamish706]

1. Huhhhh Who called Hillary a racist? n/t

[unlawflcombatnt]

20. All of Obama's supporters and the Mainstream media

Otherwise, nobody said anything.

[walldude]

24. All of Obama's supporters?

Obviously you see what you want to see. I have seen a couple Obama supporters claim racism. The rest are saying that she's not a racist but is pandering to get a racist vote. Judging from her statements that's not far from the truth.

[unlawflcombatnt]

42. No

Obama is playing the race card to pander to all Democrats, especially black Democrats.

[Colobo]

47. Not true. At all. Bill Clinton has played the race card, and Hillary has done it as well.

[mkultra]

30. i called her insanly sociopathic

but not a racists.

[yardwork]

55. The vast majority of Obama supporters have never said any such thing.

Bunch of nonsense.

[WinkyDink]

53. Whaaat? Is that you, Rip Van Winkle?

[marmar]

2. I don't think Hillary is a racist....But....

I think her campaign has appealed to and played on racial fears and insecurities. Intentionally and callously.

[PetrusMonsFormicarum]

3. If'n you don't want us

to call Hill'ry a racist, maybe you should post topics that have "Hillary" and "Racist" together.

To be honest, I never thought of her as a racist until I read your post.

[Mooney]

6. Don't think about a pink elephant!!!

[Ian David]

4. Hillary is not a racist. As far as I know. n/t

[book_worm]

11. I agree.

[Name removed]

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[lumpy]

58. A modicum of truth.

nuff said

[keep_it_real]

5. I think if you pander to racist, well that makes you a racist, just MHO

[depakid]

38. So, when Obama panders to fundies and abusive corporations...

That makes him a fundie and corporatist (actually, there's fair case to be made for the latter, based on his record).

[eridani]

49. Both of them pander to corporations and fundies n/t

[lumpy]

60. Oh, you'll be in trouble with the Obamaites. Obama doesn't

pander to anyone, doncha' know?

[eridani]

70. I think that plenty of Kucinich supporters were all over his ass about McClurkin

I sure was, but I'm in the reality-based community and know when I've been out-organized.

[DutchLiberal]

7. Tell ya what... We will stop if you will stop calling us 'sexists/misogynists' all the time...

Deal?

[POAS]

8. What a sexist thing to say

[DutchLiberal]

9. Stop being so racist!

:rofl:

[Mass]

10. She is not racist. Find somebody who said so.

[ShortnFiery]

12. Let's wait and see how HRC addresses the good people of Puerto Rico?

If she can resist BAITING them, then, just perhaps, her and Bill can regain some of their past respect within the AA Community. Right now The Clintons are personas non grata. :(

[goldcanyonaz]

13. No! it is too late to heal this wound. K?

[sfaprog]

14. As soon as her campaign quits pushing the Wright "issue"

[unlawflcombatnt]

39. Her camp is not "pushing" the Wright issue

Crybaby Obama falsely claims that every criticism he imagines or concocts comes from Clinton. At least, that's what he and his worshipers claim.

[sfaprog]

54. Would you like your words with ketchup or mustard?

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/04/ickes_confirms_hes_been_pushin.php

[lumpy]

59. The fact remains Obama was a close friend of Wright and

pled deafness when not listening to Wright's sermons for 20 years. It is still baffling. He didn't really put this to rest by denouncing Wright.

[casus belli]

67. How many times did he go to church, exactly, in those 20 years

Do you know? Are you privy to the content of all of Wright's sermons? No? Because if you aren't intimately familiar with either of those two points, how in the hell can you possibly assert that he's being dishonest?

It's a fools argument. Good luck with that.

[lumpy]

71. I don't know how many times he went to church and I don't know

the content of all Wrights sermons. I do know he preached 'the damn America' spiel several times by observing videos of his 'sermons'. Perhaps he was intensifying his rhetoric to inspire his congregation to support Obama. I do know that Obama felt it necessary to denounce Wright for political reason and did not do so until it was determined that it would be detrimental to his campaign. Obama has claimed that he was a faithful church goer for those 20 years and one would have to surmise that it was a close relationship with that church since he made it his church home, having Wright as his children's sponsor etc. You know it is stretching it to claim he never heard Wright's obnoxious rants, let alone, opinions in all those 20 years. Please.

[casus belli]

76. I think its entirely possible....

given that we have heard the same 5 minutes of speeches played ad nauseum. If Wright's rhetoric was so far reaching as you presume, then I don't know why they don't have a much larger body of video footage to make their claims that Obama basically sat and listened to anti-America rants for 20 years.

I think if you take any preacher, priest, etc and sift through 20 years worth of sermons, you're going to be able to find some points made that most people don't agree with. Obama has said that he acknowledges that Reverend Wright's delivery is "fire and brimstone". He has never made any claims to the contrary. What he HAS said, is that he never heard anything remotely resembling his 9-11 comments, or the HIV comments or he would not have returned to the church. Oprah Winfrey was a member for many years before leaving the church. I find it hard to believe she could have stayed a decade or more if he had been giving the type of speeches that we have heard played over and over.

Obama severed his ties with Wright, not out of political convenience, but because Wright remained unapologetic for his comments and because he chose to continue to speak them. What Wright's motivation were in doing so, I can only guess, but I don't think Obama had any choice but to cut his ties to Wright. Not because of political pressure to do so, but because it's the right thing to do. Wright is simply wrong on some of the issues he has chosen to continue to press and they are out of alignment with Obama's own beliefs in my opinion.

[TLM]

78. DING DING DING.....

And as I said in another post, the most outrageous comments that Wright made were recent, and during a time when Obama was spending most of his time in DC, not Chicago. I doubt he flew back every Sunday for church.

20 years of sermons, and they can only find 30 seconds of damning footage... and even that has to be taken out of context.

Hell the Obama haters had to edit him into the pews with footage from 2 separate sermons... and when caught in the lie because Obama was across the country that day giving a speech, they still insisted he must have sat there, then run out and jumped on a jet to fly to the speech.

Facts and truth mean nothing to those who are desperate to attack Obama... hillary followers or republicans. At this point there is no difference between them in terms of their irrational hate for Obama. They can't beat him on policy, they can't beat his message, they can't beat him on charisma, and they can't even get him on guilt by association... so they lie.

Lies are all they have.

[islandmkl]

15. mixing your racist and sexists posts today?

[goldcanyonaz]

16. you need a hug...

But, we are fresh out so you get a Milwaukees best!

[Warren Stupidity]

17. As soon as Clinton and her surrogates lay off the pandering

I swear I will stop claiming she is channelling the Wallace '68 campaign. Probably, as the last state where this plays at all is Kentucky, that will be real soon now.

[Blondiegrrl]

18. I don't think she's a racist. n/t

[FrenchieCat]

19. She's a user.......

[EFerrari]

21. By the same logic, the Civil Rights Act was a big mistake.

Jesus Christ on a trailer hitch.

You can have her.

[DemGa]

22. As it becomes less useful it will fade quickly

It was always and only a campaign tactic.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

23. Hillary who?

[JackRiddler]

25. "It's not who we are deep inside but what we do that defines us."

Okay, she's not a racist. That would imply she believes anything. She is just opportunistically encouraging racism as a means of becoming president. Why, that's okay, candidates have been doing that in every election since, well, 1788. So it's all cool, right?

[BlooInBloo]

26. Racist is as racist does.

[JackRiddler]

27. No shit.

And it can't be rationalized, but what do you want? This is the Board of Denial.

[BlooInBloo]

28. I just wanted the "blue collar" version of your high-fallotin verbiage. :))

[JackRiddler]

34. High-falutin? The quote is from "Batman Begins," is that too elite?

"The weed of crime bears bitter fruit!"

[BlooInBloo]

35. Heh! Well it *sounds* high-fallootin!

:P

[JackRiddler]

52. That's Batman for ya.

:toast:

[AtomicKitten]

29. She has race-baited big time in this campaign. You'd have to be blind not to see it.

[Capn Sunshine]

31. Better yet, can we please stop this nonsense that she has a chance for the nomination?

It's pie-in-the-sky and you're all headed for a huge crash from a Hillary high.

It won't be pretty. try to quit gradually.

[AZBlue]

32. I have no idea what she may or may not have said about the southern vote.

But I've heard lots of other things that she's said that prove she's a racist.

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[WA98296]

36. Yes, because clearly her supporters have moved on to playing the Sexist card.

[LittleBlue]

37. I never thouht Hill was a racist

She just employs racial tactics to win.

[lumpy]

65. The Rev. Wright employed political racism with his

congregation with intent of supporting Obama. And don't tell me that Wright didn't show his predudices against whites. Obama was advised that he had better denounce Wright for political reasons. Inspite of the fact he was a member of Wright's congregation for 20 years, he claimed he was not aware of the content of Wrights 'sermons'. Obama claimed he did not know Rezko, but the facts reveal that he and Rezko were in contact daily. Has he been forthcoming with the truth?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

77. Poor white people. Terrorized by Reverend Wright.

Why, I'm afraid to leave my house, for fear of Reverend Wright!

:eyes:

[ccharles000]

40. I agree.

Hillary is not a racist.

[boppers]

41. Continuing to validate racism... is racism.

I don't think that Hillary is much of a racist (as far as I know).

I do know that her team plays the race card. Not herself so much, but who she surrounds herself with.

I do know that they they're willing to count racist voters in their coalition as being just as valid as non-racists.

Oh, and BTW, the south is not made of white racists. States can be won *in spite of* racism. Heck, LA even had an Indian republican.

What's upsetting is her campaign *leveraging* white racism to further her goals.

[rodeodance]

45. arrogance is not a trait to be proud of.

[boppers]

46. Arrogance is a shameful trait.

It's like being proud of "Hard working, white voters".

[marions ghost]

43. your statement relies on

a false assumption that racism today = southern

It's 2008, not the 1960's. Clinton's tactics appealed to racists everywhere--including Pennsylvania, Ohio, West VA, New York, etc.

Clinton made herself the candidate for White Americans, essentially throwing black supporters under the bus. Shameful expediency.

You need to come to terms with the Reality of this.

[eridani]

48. "hardworking people, white people" n/t

[VotesForWomen]

73. let's see, has O ever put together a positive adjective with "black" or "AA?" yeah. O's racist, i gu

guess.

[eridani]

50. This is what it has gotten her

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/al-giordano/operation-anti-chaos-the_b_99965.html




Wait. The numbers show that the cynical effort to turn the 2008 campaign into a race riot has hurt the popularity of one candidate among an important demographic, and it's not Barack Obama:

On the other hand, black Democrats' opinion of Hillary Clinton has deteriorated substantially (her favorable rating among them is down 36 percentage points over the same period).

So, to sum up: Look at the damn graphs. You can see that Clinton is in a staggering free-fall among African-American voters, her favorability is down 36 points while 17 percent view her more negatively than before, while Obama's favorable and negative ratings among whites have paired at five point increases. You can even see the small dip - about two percentage points - in his popularity among whites that can be attributed to the news cycles about his ex-pastor, and see that it has leveled out and is now on a straight horizontal line (meanwhile, Clinton's numbers among blacks continue on an extreme downward precipice). The greater context is that even including Obama's slight dip, he's more popular today among white voters than he ever was prior to February.

[Perry Logan]

51. Calling Hillary racist is"the single most barbaric act ever to sully a Democratic primary campaign."

"When Kos spread The Big Lie...that the Clintons are racists, he committed the single most barbaric act ever to sully a Democratic primary campaign."
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/

[TBF]

56. If they would stop making racists statements the accusations would stop. It's that simple. nt

[unlawflcombatnt]

57. Exactly

And Daily Kos has just become a satellite campaign site for Obama.

[Skip Intro]

61. just?

[Occam Bandage]

62. Sure, as soon as Hillary stops pandering to racism.

[Skip Intro]

63. Wish I could rec your OP.

time's elapsed

[genna]

64. No we can't accept Republicans South Strategy more than we can accept her statements

[Lord Helmet]

66. Hilary is a racist

[swishyfeet]

68. Not racism, but in some cases appealing to racists nt

[Terran]

69. She isn't racist. She's a race baiter, however.

That is abundantly clear. And there's a fine line between the two, IMO.

[Writer]

72. It's not that she IS a racist according to a few Obama supporters...

it's that she MUST be a racist in order to maintain their world view.

[VotesForWomen]

74. they won't stop it, and they won't stop it if O gets the nom, and this will be one of the reasons O

will lose.

[Hippo_Tron]

75. Racism or not, we've progressed a lot since FDR's time

And southern white people don't decide elections anymore. Look at the last election. Kerry came within 100,000 votes in Ohio of winning the presidency without a single southern state.

We may be looking at a future where the Republicans only win the south (including West Virginia and Kentucky) and a few states out west.

This electoral map from the West Wing's fictional 2002 election is actually something like what I think the map for Obama's re-election in 2012 could look like but with a few changes.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/75/WWElection2002.svg

Obama carries Alaska. The GOP candidate gets Louisiana, Arkansas, Tennessee, South Carolina, Kentucky, and West Virginia. Obama MAYBE gets Florida.

Obama's election this time around will be much closer. But after the country gets used to the idea of having a black president he could be re-elected in a landslide.

[Raineyb]

79. I haven't called her a racist

I said she was worse. Clinton knows better but uses the same code to appeal to a subset of voters who won't vote for a black man which is utterly unforgivable.

Regards