JMDEM
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Fri May-16-08 11:17 AM
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The underlying reason Hillary hangs around (?) |
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I know this has been said before, but it makes more and more sense to me...
Hillary is hanging on because she hopes something -- ANYTHING -- will happen that will blow Obama out of the water, politically speaking.
Now the question is -- is she trying to aid and abet this process, or is she just standing by watching and waiting?
And given this scenario, how long will she hang out without officially dropping?
Does this make any sense? Assume that Hillary dropped out and something DID come along that would make Obama a completely unviable candidate. Couldn't they still elect Hillary (or for that matter anyone) at the Convention in August?
Is it therefore safe to assume that she is aiding and abetting the process?
Or maybe she's just trying to erase that $20 million debt.
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Fri May-16-08 11:23 AM
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1. I don't discount the possibility that third parties have instructed her to stay in the race. |
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For the sake of being repaid their loans, access to power if she is elected, or something for themselves.
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Fri May-16-08 11:29 AM
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2. I think there is a reason, something we don't know about |
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or something she hopes will happen that will make her the ONLY candidate. Sad and sorry to say but I'm afraid that is the reason. Otherwise there's no logic behind it except utter stupidity and I'm not totally discounting that, I think she and Bill have both lost their damn minds.
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Fri May-16-08 11:37 AM
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3. I don't pretend to be able to read her mind, but I do know |
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that at the end of this, every woman in the United States will have had the opportunity to vote for her. Some who post on DU seem to believe this is all a Clinton ego trip. I believe she is staying out of loyalty to her constituency. For some, this will be the only chance they will have in their lifetime to vote for a woman, and even if they aren't voting for the "winner", they will vote for her. It's monumentally symbolic. She's championing for her voters now, and I admire her immensely for it.
You can attribute your own motives. I'll choose this one.
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Spider Jerusalem
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Fri May-16-08 11:49 AM
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8. That's not really a very good motive. |
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Edited on Fri May-16-08 11:51 AM by Spider Jerusalem
Because if you're running for President, your constituency isn't women, or African-Americans, or Jews, or any other identity group; it is, or should be, American voters. I don't find it admirable that she chooses to remain in a hopeless race solely to pander to identity politics. Not to mention that the double standard involved is, quite frankly, disgusting; the Clinton campaign has admitted attempting to marginalise Obama as the 'black candidate'; if the Obama campaign attempted to marginalise Hillary as 'the female candidate', I can just imagine the outcry from the Clinton campaign and many of Clinton's feminist supporters; yet Clinton gets away with presenting herself as such anyway.
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LiberalAndProud
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Fri May-16-08 12:01 PM
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except that she can't win. She knows it. Her staff knows it. I know it. I suppose you know it. She's in it to finish. This will be over soon. If I'm right about her, she'll be a mighty force for Obama at the end of it. If I'm wrong ... that happens sometimes.
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Fri May-16-08 11:51 AM
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First, that's every Democratic woman.
"and even if they aren't voting for the "winner", they will vote for her"
Except there are millions of women who will NOT vote for her.
Those who are too old to vote next time a woman candidate comes up had plenty of opportunity to vote for Ferrarro 20 years ago.
And there will be a woman president within the next 20 years.
Just not this year.
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LiberalAndProud
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Fri May-16-08 12:13 PM
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12. Voting for Dukakis wasn't quite the same. |
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I'm one of those women who chose to vote for Obama, so I know some women didn' vote for her. Many things she has said and done through the campaign have disappointed me, but I still think of her as one of the good guys.
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Spider Jerusalem
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Fri May-16-08 12:14 PM
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Dukakis' running mate was Lloyd Bentsen.
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Fri May-16-08 12:17 PM
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Should I edit? Color me stupid.
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Fri May-16-08 12:59 PM
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17. the fact that they have the option is a first. This has been a massive step forward. |
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and i do believe this is one of many reasons she is staying in... all of which I believe are honorable.
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Fri May-16-08 12:03 PM
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11. I tend to agree with your view. |
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Thanks for sharing it.
:thumbsup:
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Fri May-16-08 11:38 AM
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4. maybe she want to be in the position to FORCE herself onto the ticket as VP nominee nt |
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which in turn might be helpful to her political aspirations whether Obama wins or loses.
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Fri May-16-08 11:42 AM
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5. The Vulture circling overhead. Hoping a mistake is made. |
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I'm sorry, but this shouldn't even be allowed.
If some gamechanger knocks Obama out, I want Edwards. It shouldn't just be given to Hillary, she lost too.
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Fri May-16-08 11:43 AM
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6. It's the "Anything Can Happen" scenario. It's been vocalized many times by her surrogates on teevee |
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and elsewhere. It is what they Hope for.
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Fri May-16-08 11:45 AM
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7. she probably thinks one of her WV voters will help her out |
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with a bullet to Obama's head.
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Fri May-16-08 12:40 PM
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15. You really shouldn't have said that, |
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no matter that more than a few out here may be thinking it.
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Fri May-16-08 12:56 PM
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16. If you post something like , "It would appear that Obama |
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can't carry the working class white vote," most obama folks get very angry and call you a racist and that's the kind of mentality that could bring the Fascist dogs another un-earned victory.
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