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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:42 AM
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When our chosen candidate fails...
I was an Edwards supporter for all of the reasons Michael Moore outlined in his open letter the day before the Iowa Caucuses. What spoke to me most was his belief that corporations have American in a choke hold and that the priorities need to be shifted from benefiting companies to benefiting the people. I believe that corporate greed at least partially explains so many of the problems we face now: rising gas prices, the war in Iraq, health care affordability, etc. If I had to boil down my choice of candidates to ONE issue - THIS would be it.

When Edwards dropped out, I was SERIOUSLY disillusioned. MAINLY because I felt neither Obama or Hillary were as tough on corporations as I would have liked - and in some instances seem downright cozy with corporate America.

For a week I pouted. I really believed Edwards was the best answer to our problems, the best candidate for the job, and my heart was broken by his departure.

AT NO POINT, EVEN AT MY MOST DEPRESSED, DID I EVEN CONSIDER NOT VOTING FOR THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE OUT OF SPITE.

While I was still bitter that Obama and Clinton had ended my hopes of having John Edwards as President, I knew EITHER was going to be tougher on MY issue than McCain. Under McCain, corporate greed would flourish! So even while still in mourning for the death of the Edwards campaign, I made my choice of who the NEXT BEST candidate would be on my issue and several other issues important to me.


Hillary supporters are in the same position I was in just a few short months ago. You're angry and disappointed. You believe there has been unfairness and even sexism. Some are allowing their anger and disappointment to blind them to the greater truth. Some can't see the forest for the trees. You have 4 choices and NO ONE can make the decision for you:

1) Vote for a third party candidate or write in Hillary Clinton. If we ignore history we are doomed to repeat it. We don't need a longterm memory to recall 2000 and Bush/Gore/Nader. Sadly, voting for someone other than a Democrat or a Republican is like throwing away your vote. After all the talk about "electability" I can say DEFINITIVELY that unless there is a D or an R behind a candidate's name in November, they are, without question, UNELECTABLE. You might as well write in Mickey Mouse. Who does that benefit? Certainly not you. It's self-defeating.

2) Stay home. Is any feminist out there honestly willing to argue that THIS is the best strategy for showing your displeasure at Hillary not being the nominee? Are you willing to give up your RIGHT that suffragettes fought so hard for because your candidate is not the one? This is more self-defeating that voting for a third party! You are, WILLINGLY, giving up your voice.

3) Vote McCain. Are feminists honestly willing to vote a man into office who will inevitably appoint supreme court justices opposed to reproductive freedom? Are you honestly willing to let ONE CANDIDATE, ONE VOTE, force you to vote for someone willing to roll back all the advancements feminists have made since the sexual revolution? I believe this is the MOST self-defeating choice a feminist could make.

4) Vote Obama. He ain't perfect, but I can guarantee you that if he's President he will fight for choice. He will fight for the economic policies that will benefit women and children. No one's asking you to like him. Hate him with a passion if you must. But he IS the only logical choice to protect feminist ideals.


I believe most Hillary supporters to be good, rational, caring people. What you are going through right now is hard. But I have faith in you. I have faith that you will do what is right for the feminist causes and the nation in general and vote Democrat - NO MATTER WHAT - in the fall. No judgment. No criticism. Just faith in you to do the right thing.


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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:49 AM
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1. Vote -- and the choice is yours
Don't vote -- and the choice is theirs.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:47 PM
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15. Perfectly said.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:52 AM
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2. The choice between Obama and McCain SHOULD be a no-brainer.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 11:53 AM
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:06 PM
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8. The majority of the "self described Hillary supporters"
who still bother posting here,have never claimed that they would choose McCain over Obama.Certainly in no greater numbers that Obama supporters who have vowed to never vote for Hillary,were she the nominee.Are they moles or disrupters(what an Orwellian term)too?
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:14 PM
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10. ....
Snap.
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smoogatz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:23 PM
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11. We live in Orwellian times.
Edited on Fri May-16-08 12:24 PM by smoogatz
If Hillary were the presumptive nominee and suddenly we started getting large numbers of posts proclaiming that MILLIONS of Democrats WOULD NOT VOTE FOR HER in the GE, then yes, I'd assume that those posters were moles and/or disruptors. How else could you explain such a pattern of behavior by ANY DUer, once the nomination is decided, as it is now.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:27 PM
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sufrommich Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:01 PM
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4. I have yet to see any proof whatsoever that large numbers
of feminists have any intention of voting against Barack Obama.Where is it?
Of course most feminist are going to vote for him.The very few ,here at DU and elsewhere, who claim they won't are fringe drama addicts. There are no greater number of them than there are of Obama supporters who claim they could never vote for Clinton.

Whats with this latest attempt to paint feminists as McCain enablers and therefore,the enemy?
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Uben Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:02 PM
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5. This Clinton supporter is pissed!
I'm voting, alright! I'm voting for Barack Obama if he's the nominee of the democratic party. I'd vote for James Trafficant over ANY republican if he were the nominee.

You all know we democrats have become somewhat accustomed to losing these past few years. We suck it up, and we go after the republicans....time after time after time! It's what we do.......IT'S ALL WE DO!

Obama wasn't my first choice, or even my second, for that matter. But, if he's the nominee, he's the man! I wanted Clinton for her healthcare reform. I think she is the only one who will ever get it done. I don't think Obama is serious about doing anything that will be fruitful on healthcare, and I don't see him getting much done in the way of legislation, either. But, if he's the one, and the Oracle didn't think so, he's THE ONE!

One thing, he must produce! After all the hoopla about him, he has some big shoes to fill. I hope he is up to the task. Of course, it will be about who he selects to fill key positions in his cabinet and administration. I feel anyone can be president if they get the right people in the right places.
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:06 PM
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7. anyone will look golden after 8 years of roman destruction
Glad to hear some reason. Im sure your pissed. I was pissed when Gore lost and i was pissed when kerry beat edwards for teh nomination. Doesn't matter though, i voted for kerry and i voted Gore.

This time, we are going to win.
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:57 PM
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16. He has a lot to live up to.
And frankly no one will be more disappointed than his most loyal supporters if he doesn't produce. Especially me.

But I'm willing to put skepticism and cynicism aside and give him a chance. He's made a believer out of me... at least so far.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 08:06 PM
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20. Nether candidate will do jackshit on health care
How we get universal health care is to get HR 676 passed. Either candidate would sign it in a New York minute.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:13 PM
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9. As a Kucinich supporter, I concur heartily
You nailed it.
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not_too_L8 Donating Member (757 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:25 PM
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12. K&R
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SoonerPride Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:25 PM
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13. I voted for Clinton and now fully support Barack Obama as our nominee.
It is the only sane thing to do.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 12:59 PM
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17. Thank you from another Edwards supporter. n/t
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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 02:50 PM
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18. anytime!
:hi:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-16-08 03:08 PM
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19. Nicely said.....n/t
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