I think Obama's not even bothering with WVA and KY prove Terry Mac's Michigan argument

[Mezzo]

He doesn't even bother with states he knows he will lose. What's that say about the general? Surely the, "I will make a play for each and every red state" argument can't apply here. If this thing is so finished, why didn't WVA rally behind the guy to be coronated?

BO took his name off the Michigan ballot. If you are a computer tech from Mich, or a teacher from Mich, or a homemaker from Mich, or a policeman from Mich (get the point) you have NO SAY in when your primary day is gonna be. I really can't see why the people who stood up to be counted should be left holding a bag that barack obama is responsible for. No one took their name of that ballot but him. Not the Michigan democratic party. Not the primary poll workers. Not the computer tech from Mich, or the teacher from Mich, or the homemaker from Mich, or the policeman from Mich (get the point). Barack Obama did that, and he is the one who should be held accountable for it.

His not bothering with these states when he was oh, so offended that Hillary wasn't doing that much in red state caucuses, show his hypocrisy plain and simple.

[K Gardner]

1. GIve it the hell up already. There is no point in this any longer.

[bluebellbaby]

4. so we should abandon the truth for some greater cause...seeing another

democratic nominee bit the dust in the GE...?

[Mezzo]

19. Perhaps YOU should give the hell up on trying to tell people what to say and how to think...

Last I checked, demanding people walk lock step with you is not a progressive cause.

[cd3dem]

48. write the DNC about Florida and Michigan on hillaryclinton.com

[Mezzo]

60. No thank you. I'll write right here, thanks.

[roguevalley]

51. he took his name off because he was FOLLOWING THE FUCKING

RULES! She didn't. What is there about that that you cannot grasp? He did NOTHING BUT FOLLOW THE RULES! He is not responsible as you say for anything but obeying THE RULES!

[Mezzo]

61. Of COURSE you know that is fucking WRONG, but again, YOU ALREADY know that.

[unlawflcombatnt]

54. Why are you still attacking, then, if there "is no point"?

Maybe you're rightfully terrified that Obama will lose.

[cali]

2. And Hillary didn't bother in many states.

And by the way, if you support Obama getting no delegates out of MI, but support Hillary getting them, you're for "disenfranchising" voters. And he campaigned in WV and in KY. Sorry, wrong again. In any case, your gal lost. She's done no matter what.

[dsc]

20. that just plain isn't true

whatever faults Hillary may have, not campaigning isn't one of them. The only state any plausible claim like this can be made about for her is Nebraska which was on SuperTuesday and Alaska which no one campaigned in.

[otohara]

64. Barely Noticed In Purple Colorado

she came for a fund raiser - invitation only of Colorado millionaires, and one campaign rally in Denver attended by 3000+. Bubba came for a rally at the same place Obama held one just hours before attended by 18,000, Bill drew 2000.

As a former delegate in 2004 and life long democrat, I did not receive one piece of direct mail from HRC campaign. Obama camp sent 3-4 direct mail pieces every week. I got one phone call from HRC camp in comparison to the nightly calls from Obama campaign. Obama had 12 offices opened statewide before Super Tuesday - Hillary camp, finally opened one office in Denver, but it was too late.

In response to Hillary's one office - here's what her Colorado campaign manager said:

Tyler Chafee, Clinton's Colorado campaign director, said opening offices throughout the state isn't a good indicator of how caucus-goers will respond. "Clearly, they've taken the Starbucks approach to the campaign," he said of the Obama camp. "Pretty soon, they'll have one on every corner.


That's just poor planning in a state which could decide 2008. But then it was all supposed to be over after Super Tuesday for Hillary, wasn't it? Blowing off us caucus states cost her the nomination.

[Mezzo]

62. that's bullshit and you know it...NO ONE took Barack Obama's name off of that ballot

other than Barack OBama. NO ONE. Not the DNC. Not the Michigan Dem Party. Not the legislature of the state of Michigan either.

You're right. hillary didn't bother in many states....so those delegates shouldn't count toward OBama then, right? If the delegates where OBama didn't bother should not count for Hillary, you have some nerve and reserve of hypocrisy to try and say the inverse should be true.

Barack OBama is the only one who took his name off that ballot. ANY compromise of the will of the people in the state of Michigan is an affront to democracy, and you know it.

[bluebellbaby]

3. One more nail in his presidential coffin...he'll become another "Wannabe"

just like the endorsements he's gotten of late...like the elephant...I won't forget...

[cali]

7. please don't let your head explode

when he wins- and he stands an excellent chance of doing just that. He will be the dem nominee in a couple of weeks. You either support him or you don't, but the time of bashing him is drawing to a close.

[bluebellbaby]

9. Remember you said this...in november...

[Liberal Gramma]

13. Do I hear a "neener, neener, neener?"

Are you going to take your bat and ball and go home, or are you going to vote for the Democratic nominee WHOEVER THAT MIGHT BE?

[bluebellbaby]

25. As an educated white woman, Mr. Obama will need to "prove" himself to me

I vote my conscience not the party...and I will say that I've been a registered democrat for 28 years...I am disgusted with Mr. Obama's candidacy being shoved down my throat, by the MSM and everyone here...

[gmudem]

32. As long as you consider Roe v. Wade to be important

You should vote for Obama. If not thanks for supporting 4 more years of Bush policies.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

40. I was equally disgusted with Hillary The Inevitable being shoved down my throat most of last year.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

41. And what the hell does being "an educated white woman" have to do with it?

You may be revealing a little too much about your motivations there.

[bluebellbaby]

58. My motive is to make it clear that I'm not a poor, uneducated blue coller worker

as the MSM has painted all of Hillary's supporters as being...

[mrreowwr_kittty]

59. Uh, Hillary has also made it a point to describe her supporters as such. nt

[Liberal Gramma]

47. If by that you mean you need to know more about him, good for you

But...will your conscience bother you if the Repugs win and continue all Bush's disasterous policies?
Unless something unexpected happens, Obama will be the candidate. By all means, listen to the debates, hear what his policies are. If you still think McCain serves your interests better then you should vote your conscience. Just don't expect any support for that position here at DU.

[FredScuttle]

5. WRONG

Obama, Richardson, Biden, and Edwards took their names off the ballot in Michigan. Kucinich tried to have his name removed.

And it was the Michigan state Democratic leaders who let down the voters, not Obama

[sfaprog]

6. His strategy seems to have worked.

He's obviously shown he knows how to win, so your point is moot.

I also don't remember Obama being "offended that Hillary wasn't doing that much in red state caucuses", nor do I expect you to be able to post a link to back up that bullshit. He simply was smart enough to use caucuses. I don't think they should exist, but they do, and they are the rules all candidates have campaigned under.


And if Obama should be "held accountable" for taking his name off the ballot in MI, Hillary should be held accountable to the rules she agreed to at the beginning of this primary season:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/release/view/?id=3134

[Zachstar]

8. wow yall just do not know when to stop..

Why not just praise Clinton rather than attack the nominee?

[Kittycat]

10. Wah-wah wah wah - wah wah wah

Talking points from Charlie Browns teachers.

[SoonerPride]

11. Hillary will endorse Obama. She will vote for him too.

I'm sure you will fall in line once you've finished throwing a little tantrum.

Thank you for your support.

[Lerkfish]

12. ...

[The Ghost]

14. HRC was supposed to be in Oregon this weekend

now shes spending all of the next four days in Kentucky. So shes giving up on a state she knows she wont win.

So whats your point?

[fadedrose]

15. You are so uninformed....

[LizW]

16. Obama will not be "making a play" for red states

He won't, they never do. I live in Alabama, and no Democrat ever seriously "makes a play" for my state. I don't blame him for saying he will, because it doesn't look good to write off whole chunks of voters, but the reality is that they write off the very red states.

Obama will go for FL, PA, OH, MI, IN, and he'll have to pay some attention to CA.

[beachmom]

23. Colorado and New Mexico are possible battlegrounds, too. And Virginia.

[RBInMaine]

29. He WILL play in ALL 50 states as will the DNC !

[grantcart]

17. Cheerleaders don't have arguements they have pom pom attacks

After Iowa it was all about the delegates, Obama can't raise money, he won't do well on Super Tuesday, and so on.


Anybody who says 50 different things a day will eventually say something that has a fact in it.

Here is why Terry Mac and the Clinton campaign is so out of touch

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6005407

[ecdab]

18. Another post in support of 4 more years of Bush - how special.

[JoFerret]

50. Obama may not be a radical or a progressive

but he will be better than Bush. Cheer up.

[Doityourself]

21. Oh No...

[beachmom]

22. It's not that it is a red state. It is that it has a higher percentage of people who will not vote

for a black man. However, I am sure he will lend assistance for the 50 State strategy to ALL states, including those he may not win, but for which we can make gains in some congressional districts. That is what makes his campaign different from Hillary's -- grassroots organizations popping up in areas where Democrats have not had much of a presence.

[MadBadger]

24. Nobody tok their name off except Joe Biden, John Edwards, Bill Richardson.

DK tried to take his name off, but he screwed that up.

[democrattotheend]

26. He did go to WV. He did not blow it off completely

And he was supposed to be in KY last Tuesday but had to cancel it to go to DC to vote. I do disagree with his decision not to go there at all though. I think he should at least make 1 stop.

[RBInMaine]

30. YES, and did so SEVERAL times, same with KY and has OFFICES in BOTH states !!

[yourguide]

27. Clinton didnt campaign in Lousianna.

[RBInMaine]

28. You don't know your facts ! He HAS visited BOTH states SEVERAL times and has/had offices in BOTH !!

Kindly get your facts straight !

[hayu_lol]

34. The FACTS are that the two candidates are essentially...

TIED. So much for she lost/he lost.

They each get half a party's worth of support.

[Major Hogwash]

46. No, the FACT is Obama's half is bigger than Hillary's!

You just don't have your FACTS right!

[kid a]

31. Subject / Verb agreemant error in OP title (sorry - pet peeve) =)

:hi:

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[Raine]

35. LOL seems to be working just fine

since he all but has the nomination. :-)

[Occam Bandage]

36. This OP is kind of amusing, since Clinton didn't bother planning for a post-Super-Tuesday race,

which of course is why she lost 14 in a row.

[cliffordu]

37. Specious, bogus, wrong.

Once again the Baloney Brigade with the smears and slander.

What the fuck do you hope to accomplish?

Tell Rush he can kiss my ass.

[nichomachus]

38. Where is that Snooze Alarm button when you need it n/t

[davsand]

39. Obama, "...took his name off the Michigan ballot" along with everyone EXCEPT Hil.

Remember that promise everybody except Hil made and kept to stay out of Michigan because they were flipping the bird to the DNC? You know--the SAME DNC that Hil is flipping to bird to on a daily basis?

Gawd, the bullshit just keeps piling up.

:puke:



Laura

[my3boyz]

42. That is a lie. Edwards and others took their name off the ballot too.

There were plenty that Clinton did not go to. She just ignored them. The only time she started going to every single state was when that new manager took over. She was going to blow off Wisconsin too until that new manager came on and had her go to Wisconsin to contest it. Obama has the nomination locked up numbers wise. He knows that those states were Clinton country (Clinton won them). There was NO SHOT at all of winning them. In the general election he is better off focusing on shoring up his base in the BLUE states and then really invest in states that he thinks he has a shot at flipping.

Oh and many of those West Virginians are RACIST!!!!!!!!!!! I guesss you missed the exit polls. On top of that as I mentioned earlier the Clintons have roots there. Bill won the state years ago. People still have a fondness for them there.

Oh and it is OVER! It it is not over then why are the SD's still trending to Barack after a 40 pt loss???? It is because it is OVER!!!!! I know it sucks for you but it is the truth!

[suziedemocrat]

43. He's a big baby (imo) won't play if he can't win.

I'm getting so I can't stand him.

And I can't stand that AGAIN the Democrats won't be in the White House.

There is something wrong with this system.

IMO - Chris Dodd was the BEST candidate - and yet he got ZERO attention.

In fact, I think the better the candidate did in the primary, the worse chance they had of winning the general Election.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

44. Then you're an idiot. n/t

[Major Hogwash]

45. I always felt that if Obama was serious about impressing Kentuckians, he should play Hillary 1-on-1

They take their basketball pretty seriously over there.
I think Obama would kick her ass in a game of 1-on-1, and then they would know that he's a man that can make a jump shot.

Obama's got game.

[crimsonblue]

49. Well... the ELECTED representatives in MI

voted to illegally move their primary up. And since we live in a representative republic, the elected officials speak FOR the people of MI. The people of MI have no one to be angry with except their elected officials. Obama is NOT responsible for this mess, and you are ridiculous to accuse him so. I never once heard Obama complain about Clinton not campaigning in "red state caucuses", although I do believe Clinton has repeated discounted the caucuses as "unimportant." As someone who lives in a red caucus state (KS) that held a VALID caucus, I am deeply offended to hear that my vote does not matter. My state's vote was certified and accepted by all parties.. MI's was not. The rules apply to everyone. It is absurd, irresponsible, and completely childlike to discount legal and valid contests all the while pining for votes from illegal and invalid primaries to be counted.

[PM7nj]

52. "He doesn't even bother with states he knows he will lose."

Like Ohio?
And Texas?
And Pennsylvania?

[unlawflcombatnt]

53. Excellent Post

Amazing how anyone could be so arrogant when he's behind in the popular vote count.

[AtomicKitten]

56. your bitterness is impairing your math skills

Barack will be shutting this down Tuesday when he garners the majority of pledged delegates, the actual measure of the win.

Here ya go:

[AtomicKitten]

55. No, he's yielding to the racism Hillary is cultivating in those states.

[anigbrowl]

57. 'Coronated'...lol. .nt

[skipos]

63. This MI doesn't like Hillary's lies

"I personally did not think it made any difference whether my name was on the ballot. You know, It's clear this election they are having is not going to count for anything." - Hillary Clinton, before the MI primary

"I have consistently said that the votes cast in Florida and Michigan in January should be counted. " - Hillary Clinton, after the MI primary

[Thrill]

65. Obama was in Michigan this week and will be there next week also

Thanks for playing

[kentuck]

66. Don't minimize the strengths of your own candidate so much...

Just because he cannot beat Hillary does not mean he can't beat McCain. Give Hillary a little credit. She is a very powerful opponent.