For all you doubters...

[boston bean]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke64670GkZ8&feature=related

[ruby slippers]

1. sorry I got sucked into the first three seconds of that Hillary Youtube

[boston bean]

2. It is not just about hillary. nt

[ruby slippers]

6. I don't know...I only watched the first three seconds of it up through the cigarette part

[boston bean]

7. well that's your problem then, if you don't watch it, don't comment. nt

[ladywnch]

102. okay, well, I DID watch the whole thing and I have to say

that post #44 by Matt is pretty much correct. Starting out with the snip about Obama being the presumptive nominee and he should denounce the rude things being said about Hillary and how they are misogynistic including KO's comment about Hillary going into a room with some senior party member and only 'one coming out', like that was some kind of suggestion that Hillary be beaten (physically) and the whole beaten wife thing.....all of this juxtaposed with Hillary's speech at the Women's conference back in 95.

Yeah,yeah, yeah, we've heard it all already. It's all Obama's fault that these things are getting said, printed, photo shopped. Mean time it is perfectly alright for Hillary to "as far as I know he's (Obama) is a Christian", and any number of other things she and her campaign have said regarding race, religion and such.

As Hillary has been known to say, "this is politics" but Obama needs to apoligize......Hillary has been a saint throughout this campaign.

Spare me.

[roguevalley]

136. if he didn't say it and if he did youtube would have it, he has nothing

to apologize for. shit. this is so boring.

[MJJP21]

122. I watched

I did watch the video and don't see how it links Barack with benefitting from sexism. If he does somehow benefit it certainly is not of his doing. I find it ironic that Hillary was championing the rights of women yet it is her that ran interference when Bill was accused of rape in the Juanita Broderick situation in Arkansas. It was Hillary that took the role of subserviant when she "stayed with her man" while her husband played around and played arounde and played around. It is Hillary that has enables sexism during her career.

[ladywnch]

139. good point. n/t

[sellitman]

123. Is it a "Unity" movie?

Oh goody!

[VolcanoJen]

16. Thanks for the warning.

Blind You-Tubing sucks.

[ruby slippers]

22. you are welcome. glad to do my sacrifice for the others

[MattBaggins]

44. Don't waste your time folks

Silly mish-mosh of Obama is a sexist he-man woman hater and so are you for supporting him. The stupid video starts out saying that Hillary has been the victim of a brutal assault. Really they had to throw out brutal.

[Name removed]

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[Liberal Veteran]

60. Damn it! Where did I put that pack of Virginia Slims?

Now I want a cigarette!

[sniffa]

3. Shame on Barack. Shame

[george_maniakes]

4. whats the video about?

i dont believe in blind youtubing.

[anigbrowl]

45. random waffle aiming to suggest the forces of sexism are trying to keep Hillary down

it doesn't really have any clear point...imagine a video collage of DU outrage threads.

[Occam Bandage]

5. Stock footage of Hillary Clinton has completely reversed my belief in the validity of mathematics.

[boston bean]

9. that is not what this is, why don't you watch the entire video. nt

[Occam Bandage]

17. Because my patience for blind youtubing is 30 seconds. If you don't have a hook

in the first half-minute, don't have a hook in the video description, and don't have a hook in the link description, you are obviously an incompetent director, producer, and/or distributer, and there's no point in further time-wasting.

[boston bean]

29. then you need to open your mind a little. nt

[Occam Bandage]

42. It's not a matter of "open minds." It's a matter of basic web/film competence. The standard rule

is that any page/video/whatever you present has twenty seconds to grab your audience's attention. If you know this, and if your hook doesn't grab me, it tells me that this is a decent video that is not my taste, and I'll probably leave. If you know this, and your hook grabs me, I'm interested, and I'll watch. If you obviously are unaware of a general audience's impatience/reluctance, then you are probably unaware of the other basics of good design, and I'm certainly not going to waste seven minutes on the off chance that the incompetent director/writer/whatever has accidentally stumbled into making a good use of my time.

[boston bean]

49. people in denial of the truth are the real losers. nt

[Occam Bandage]

55. Thank you for completely failing to address anything I have written.

[boston bean]

67. why should I bother to discuss anything with you when you won't watch the entire video.

[Occam Bandage]

73. First, because I'm not discussing the content of the video; I'm discussing basic web presentation,

and those are skills you and the author/director of this video are sorely lacking. If you can't hook an audience, it's your fault, not the audience's.

Second, I have since watched it (as I said elsewhere in this thread), and my opinion has not changed. It's hacky.

[boston bean]

77. I wasn't looking for a graphics review, I want to know what you think about the content.

do you find some or all of it to be true?

[Occam Bandage]

88. No truer and no falser than any bit of YouProp. Take a bunch of points which are undoubtedly true

(individual images, speeches, whatever), juxtapose them in a manner suggesting some nonexistent relationship, act as if there is any degree of importance to meaningless coincidences, provide some commentary providing a misleading summary/thread linking the presented evidence, and call it a day.

[VolcanoJen]

83. Aren't these one-line N/T responses just slaying you, Occam?

:rofl: :rofl:

[sfaprog]

85. Because once people watch the video and see it for the hit-piece it is, you

stick your fingers in your ear and scream "I can't hear you, nyah nyah," and refuse to debate the contents

:banghead:

[Ian David]

120. And that makes YOU...

"Duh... it's not a smear against Obama... duh..."- MassDem

[Lerkfish]

128. yah, like all that "math" and stuff.

plomk

[Liberal Veteran]

10. Math is just a theory, like evolution and gravity.

And those smarmy elitists are still trying to shove it down our throats as "fact".

[boston bean]

12. it has nothing to do with the "math" nt

[ruby slippers]

8. or you can watch this parody one on Hillary AND McCain.....

http://youtube.com/watch?v=9eEzJ7LchY8

[boston bean]

11. why are you spamming this post? nt

[ruby slippers]

13. not spamming, just exercizing my freedom of speech and thoughts

[boston bean]

14. you haven't expressed one thought, just harassment. nt

[ruby slippers]

18. carry on, I'm outta here. going to watch the news instead and see what good things

Obama had to say/do today....Adios. Sorry to rain on your parade.

[boston bean]

21. bye bye. nt

[VolcanoJen]

28. Try CNN and that crowd of 30,000 that Obama is speaking to in Portland, on now!

:bounce: :bounce:

[george_maniakes]

how do you know its 30,000? n/t

[VolcanoJen]

Because that's what local Portland media has been reporting for a few hours now.

What's your crowd estimate, from your vantage point in Canada?

[george_maniakes]

47. *climbs a ladder*....I can't see shit really. n/t

[VolcanoJen]

62. Ha!!! Well, for what it's worth, CNN just said the crowd is estimated at...

50,000.

I stand corrected!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[george_maniakes]

68. to be honest, i'd rather have half that for a louisville rally at this point.

The race may be over, but i dont want to hear a few days of "not enough white people." Then again, he'll probably have gore announce his support on wednesday, and she'll lose the new cycle again.

[VolcanoJen]

72. Well...

... that's a big-ass crowd of mostly white faces I'm looking at right now at this link:

http://www.kgw.com/video/?nvid=57406&live=yes

But, Oregon probably doesn't count. }( That victory speech he's going to give in Iowa won't matter either, because we all know that Iowa most definitely does not count. }(

[roseBudd]

113. Oregon doesn't count because those whities have book learning

[VolcanoJen]

142. ROFL

"Enough with the big speeches, and the rallies, and the ad hominen taunts that make you Obama supporters look like grade-schoolers, and the beating me, and winning."

:rofl:

[Adelante]

Nooooooo

:wow:

[Adelante]

84. 75,000!!!!

From CNN just now.

[george_maniakes]

87. thats kinda scary really...n/t

[VolcanoJen]

92. What??!!!

I thought 50,000 was being a tad generous!

Nice contradiction to this dumb thread, though.

From now on, every time the OP posts a Blind Hillary YouTube, I think I'll just respond with, "75,000." :-)

[Adelante]

95. I have CNNI, not regular CNN

It's not showing the rally itself, but a reporter who is there. First he said "thousands" and then somebody gave him a note and he said he'd just been told it was estimated 75,000.

[K Gardner]

15. Why are you spamming? No one is going to watch this crap. FAIL.

[boston bean]

19. what is the crap, you afraid of the truth? is it uncomfortable for you? nt

[george_maniakes]

27. Could you save me the video and just tell me what the truth is please? n/t

[K Gardner]

50. Nah. You're just boring me.

[boston bean]

56. nice personal attack. nt

[Occam Bandage]

59. Looks more like a fair assessment of motive to me.

[Occam Bandage]

20. Probably the same reason you've posted this bit of YouSpam.

[boston bean]

23. it is not spam. it is a post that is relevant. nt

[Liberal Veteran]

24. Aw fuck! Hil-Rolled!

[sfaprog]

34. .

:rofl:

[Doityourself]

35. worse than being Rick Rolled..at least you can dance & get joy out being RR..

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

25. A baseless attack.

:woohoo:

[boston bean]

30. baseless attack?? I don't think so. nt

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

74. "Lame" comes to mind...

<roll>

What kind of progressive American
leader would stand silent, supporting
with the cold reserve of ambition the
disgracefully sexist, blatantly anti-
feminist attack on a well-respected
woman of the same party, a political
foe perhaps, but a national Democratic
leader?

Barack Obama- so far...

<U>nless Barack Obama speaks out,
his campaign's chilling acceptance of

....

<end roll>

[boston bean]

who wrote that?? nt

[Occam Bandage]

96. er...did you watch the video? That's the opening scroll.

[boston bean]

99. duh, who is it credited too. nt

[Occam Bandage]

101. Didn't you watch the video? Some pro-Clinton blogger named Tom Watson. Why does it matter?

http://tomwatson.typepad.com/tom_watson/2008/01/the-sexist-medi.html

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

106. Unbelievable!

Gracias.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

26. Useless OP

[Ian David]

31. Barack Obama says we should be nice to Hillary supporters.

I can see that some will try to make it very, very hard.

[VolcanoJen]

36. I agree with him, but I don't think that includes....

... falling over backwards for blind You-Tubing love-letters. :-)

[boston bean]

39. wouldn't work for me and you even if you tried. nt

[Ian David]

40. It's not a love-letter to Hillary. It's a smear against President Obama. n/t

[boston bean]

43. It is not a smear. nt

[Occam Bandage]

51. Having watched the video, I can now say:

1. My initial beliefs as regards the competence of this video are well-founded. The video is mediocre at best.

2. It is a smear, and a rather ironic one, for reasons pointed out elsewhere in this thread.

[Ian David]

58. Did you watch it? Yes, it is. It accuses Obama of being silent about sexist attacks on Hillary.

If you honestly missed it, we will all await your apology now.

[george_maniakes]

63. Well, what about hillary being silent when she would attack obama? n/t

[Ian David]

66. "He's not a Muslim... AS FAR AS I KNOW." -- Hillary Clinton. n/t

[george_maniakes]

70. Exactamundo! n/t

[eridani]

124. So he was supposed to denounce that gawdawful nutcracker in prime time?

Thereby introducing it to millions of creeps who might not otherwise have known about it?

[sfaprog]

78. If saying Obama is a southern strategy appeaser isn't a smear, it's certainly color-blind

:eyes:

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[sfaprog]

112. Oh snap

screenshots - thanks for those!

[VolcanoJen]

65. Oh. I didn't make it past the first awful section.

I take you at your word, and the many other posters in this thread who say it's a smear. Thank you!!!

[Occam Bandage]

69. I'm fairly certain most who view that video wouldn't. It's like it's designed to turn people off.

It's slow, it has no description, it doesn't get to the point until a few minutes into it, it's visually boring (seriously, I've seen enough Ken-Burns-Effect iMovie slideshows for a lifetime), and it never picks up the pace or brings anything interesting forward. You could replace the entire video with this:

"People attack Hillary Clinton. That's sexist. Obama hasn't stopped them. Boo Obama."

[VolcanoJen]

80. Ohhhh.

So, shorter Hillary Clinton: "I'm a victim. Vote for me. Ready from Day One to succumb to phony victimhood."

Thank you for the summary!!!!

[sfaprog]

81. EXACTLY

That Virginia Slim imagery just enough to turn off those not already tuned in, like a gateway, and once in, it lays out the attack.

[H2O Man]

48. "Love the Spamites,

hate the spam." -- H.O.K.S.

[MattBaggins]

61. Keep in mind he said hillary supporters

not Obama haters.

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[sfaprog]

33. WOW - My head is simply spinning from the irony and hypocrisy - Let me save you having to watch this

This video is pushing the new Clinton talking point which we've already seen at DU today - that Obama is responsible for having to apologize for every sexist remark ever made, but this one has a nice ironic twist - it says because Obama has not done so, he is no better than those who appeased Ronald Reagan's southern strategy. While the other side of their mouth spews southern strategy talking points.

And that's beside the other glowing problem with saying Obama is the same as a southern strategy appeaser.

[boston bean]

37. Not true, absolutely not true. nt

[sfaprog]

53. I'm sorry, that's NOT the text I JUST read in the video you JUST posted???

Way to back up the propaganda of the video you posted :eyes:

[Ian David]

79. MassDems still insists on not being straight with The American People. n/t

[cali]

41. yep. coming from Senator Southern Strategy Revisisted herself

that is ironic.

[boston bean]

46. I am disappointed, did you watch it? nt

[Doityourself]

52. The agony of defeat will propel people to make all kinds of baseless attacks!

[boston bean]

64. this has nothing to do with defeat. it happens to be the truth. nt

[Doityourself]

93. It has to do with agony & defeat...if Hill had the lead none of this crap would surface..so yes..

[midnight]

38. Hillary gave a powerful speech. Good message.

Women wait for equal pay. Human rights are women's rights, and women's rights are human rights- give all women equal pay.

[george_maniakes]

57. You want equality? Why the heck do i always have to pay for dinner? n/t

[VolcanoJen]

76. Or hold open the door? Or purchase the ring?

:rofl:

[george_maniakes]

89. Exactly! Where is that extra salary of ours going? Toward you ladies! n/t

[Doityourself]

94. Not in my world you don't! When I dated..I would offer to pay..but most men would refuse..adamantly

One told me don't threaten his manhood by offering to pay? WTF? lol

[george_maniakes]

104. Its a sexist world we live in....

The man is always expected to pay. Unless your married, in which case the wife has all your money anyways so who cares.

[Doityourself]

110. LOL....sad state of affairs

[Kool Kitty]

117. Shit-don't I wish.

You sure don't live in this house.

[Liberal Veteran]

54. "baby" is sexist and demeaning to women!!!!!

[Ian David]

71. Virginia Slims: Edward Bernays and "Torches of Freedom"

In the 1920s, working for the American Tobacco Company, he sent a group of young models to march in the New York City parade. He then told the press that a group of women's rights marchers would light "Torches of Freedom". On his signal, the models lit Lucky Strike cigarettes in front of the eager photographers. The New York Times (1 April 1928) printed: "Group of Girls Puff at Cigarettes as a Gesture of 'Freedom'". This helped to break the taboo against women smoking in public. During this decade he also handled publicity for the NAACP.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays


See also:

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[Ian David]

75. Still waiting for apology... no hurry... n/t

[AllentownJake]

82. You guys suck at YouTube videos

The only good one I saw was the Sopranos spoof.

You really suck at this. You really shouldn't even attempt to do this.
You can make all the youTube videos in the world but unless you cut down their time and come up with better quality no one's going to give a fuck about your message.

No one wants to waste 8 minutes of their lives on this poor quality piece of trash.

[dchill]

86. Your critical judgment has atrophied.

[Jazzgirl]

90. I didn't need to watch anymore than about a minute of that

bullshit. Puhleez!!!

[Youphemism]

91. Uh, not to burst anyone's bubble butt...

...I think Eleanor Roosevelt is the most famous female democrat in history.

A Wikipedia excerpt to support this point:

Eleanor Roosevelt founded the UN Association of the United States in 1943 to advance support for the formation of the UN. She was a delegate to the UN General Assembly from 1945 and 1952, a job for which she was appointed by President Harry S. Truman and confirmed by the United States Senate. During her time at the United Nations she chaired the committee that drafted and approved the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. President Truman called her the "First Lady of the World" in tribute to her human rights achievements.

Active in politics for the rest of her life, she chaired the John F. Kennedy administration's ground-breaking committee which help start second-wave feminism, the Presidential Commission on the Status of Women. She was one of the most admired persons of the 20th century, according to Gallup's List of Widely Admired People.

[sfaprog]

97. Hillary picked up Eleanor's wisdom by talking to her ghost, remember?

:eyes:

[AtomicKitten]

98. keep banging on those pots

[Stop Cornyn]

100. What a load of crap ... that type of smear attack re-confirms my faith we chose the right candidate!

I suppose the authors of that smear will happily vote McBush3 in the fall.

Frankly, I expect the authors of that smear would be releasing a mirror image of that video taking statements of Clinton partisans out of context to accuse her of racism if she had not lost the nomination.

[Ian David]

103. Last chance to apologize. n/t

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[Catherina]

111. Math. It's not just for boys anymore n/t

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[Czolgosz]

115. Most. Disingenuous. Attack. On. A. Democrat. Since. Swiftboaters.

[rodeodance]

116. nah, I heard Obama Attack Hillary plently of times!!

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[Dinger]

121. K & R

:hi:

[ProSense]

125. There is no doubt that

Hillary has run one of the most divisive and despicable campaigns for a so-called Democratic leader

[Buzz Clik]

126. I thought Thursday was "sexism" day!! Who didn't send me the fucking memo!!!

What's that?

Now every day is sexism day?

Gee, that's lame.

[sfaprog]

127. Why was post #108 removed???

It had screenshots of the video posted. I don't remember any other slander or bad content, was there?

Hilarious that screenshots of the EXACT VIDEO POSTED IN THE OP are seen by some Hillary supporters as "divisive". Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, but then again neither does Hillary's staying in this race.

[Ian David]

130. MassDem is entitled to his own opinion, but not his own facts. n/t

[sfaprog]

131. Apparently he is

#108 wasn't MassDem, MassDem had said "this video isn't slander" and the poster at #108 went through the trouble of making two screenshots of the video to point out specifically where the slander was. And now they're removed.

[Ian David]

133. That's because I made the mistake of calling MassDem a name, rather than sticking to facts.

For example, though he may generally be an honest person, in this particular case, MassDem is clearly lying.

[sfaprog]

134. Oh, I didn't realize it was you who posted those. Thanks - it's pretty clear, isn't it?

It's pretty clear what the text is saying, I can't believe the intellectual dishonesty of some Clinton supporters, throwing this kind of baseless crap in our faces and then telling us it's just glitter.

[Ian David]

137. And I risked a tombstone telling-off an Obama supporter unfairly smearing Hillary Clinton...

while simultaneously telling the moderator who let him get away with it to go fuck himself.

I don't support this from EITHER side.

[sfaprog]

140. Good point.

That's something I think I learned best from Bill Clinton. I was very pro-Bill in the 90's, with total blinders on. I didn't look at issues clearly - and my best example is NAFTA. I thought if he was pushing it, it had to be good.

I will be critical of Obama when it's called for, and vigilant to not let myself believe anybody can't be wrong sometimes.

[reflection]

129. Made it through about 2 minutes.

I can only stomach so much propaganda at a time.

[SeaLyons]

132. The truth of this campaign will be written about for years to come

and I'm afraid that the TRUTH that's in this video will be very apparent on November 5th.

Thanks for posting, MassDemm.

:kick:

[iamthebandfanman]

135. what do people keep making videos?

its over already.

anything now just hurts our GE chances.

i wish you conceeded dillusional people would give it a rest.

[Chalco]

138. Excellent, but unfortunately Obamatons can't handle the truth. nt

[Ian David]

141. Thanks, Kyle. n/t