Elizabeth Edwards: Not backing Hillary- Breaking News

[Ichingcarpenter]

Elizabeth Edwards on Sunday rejected speculation that she might endorse New York Sen. Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“If you listened to what I said and not to what pundits said I was thinking, you would know that I was never inclined to endorse,” Edwards wrote in an e-mail to Politico Sunday afternoon.

Speculation about whether she might back Clinton spiked when Edwards did not appear Wednesday with her husband, former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards, during his endorsement of Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, who is winning the support of an increasing number of party leaders and superdelegates as he appears poised to edge out Clinton for the nomination.

Elizabeth Edwards told Politico that she was “as usual, a sounding board for my husband, but, also as usual, his decision was ultimately his own, which is as it should be. I never encouraged him to support a particular candidate, only to follow his heart.”>>>>snip


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10434.html

[Doityourself]

1. Elizabeth better be careful, or she's going to end up under the bus too!

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[Evergreen Emerald]

10. that is not even accurate. I wonder why you hate women who vote for Clinton?

you see, two can play at the make sh*t up and then blame you for it game.

Indeed--that is what Bush has done for years. Put up straw "women" to knock them down.

Your argument is inaccurate and frankly, lacks a significant understanding of the issue.

[anonymous171]

11. Obviously have never seen the anti-michelle threads/comments that get posted here

[Political Heretic]

17. Of all the trash from both sides that gets posted here, those threads scare/shock/shame me the most.

[jbnow]

18. I agree with you. I support Obama but when I thought

Elizabeth might endorse Hillary I was still going to love her.

We aren't that way about everyone but Elizabeth is just that special.

[Jackpine Radical]

50. I know at least 3 women, 2 of them in public office, who have

endorsed Hillary, and I think highly of all 3. They made their choices for their reasons, and I'm not gonna trash them for it. The public ones are Tammy Baldwin and Barbara Lawton--a US Representative and the Lt Gov of WI, respectively. The third is a private citizen who is going to Denver as a Hillary delegate. All 3 are wonderful, intelligent women.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Great Lady Elizabeth

I don't think the Clintons would do that
it would cause more damage than they
could ever conceive.

[MrsT]

2. I never thought she would. eom

[anonymous171]

3. in before lamentations

That Elizabeth was "only reason for my being a democrat" etc., etc.
:hide:

[OzarkDem]

5. So sad her husband betrayed health care reform

turns out John Edwards is just another politician, like the others.

Elizabeth still supports Clinton's health care reform plan, however.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

7. Medic! Another one under the bus over here!!

[VolcanoJen]

35. Medic has arrived!!!!!

I've brought robotics and hydraulics.... engaging.... lifting bus.... lifting... lifting... Quick, John!! ROLL!!!! ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!



:rofl: :rofl:

[Ichingcarpenter]

8. And she doesn't like Hillary's Major lobbyist ties.

As recently as May 5 – the day before the primaries in their home state and in Indiana – the Edwardses in a joint interview from their Chapel Hill kitchen told People magazine they wouldn’t endorse.

In the interview, Elizabeth Edwards reiterated her support for Clinton’s health care plan. She said she didn’t like Obama’s plan “or his advertising on health care, which I think is misleading.”

She also added, though, that she didn’t like that Clinton’s campaign accepts contributions from lobbyists, which both Obama and Edwards rejected in their campaigns.

[lumpy]

29. Obama's campaign also accepts donations from lobbyists.

That is a poor argument.

[anonymous171]

30. No they don't.

[lumpy]

46. Here is one site re.Obama's use of lobbyists

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama/Campaign_Financing

He has used lobbyists when it has been convenient to further his political career. Of course when he learns that it is poltical fodder he decides he should deny using them at all and intends to return any funds once he gets the nomination, is my understanding. Little can be done about lobbying until loopholes have been sewn up entirely. For Obama to try and indicate that he has not relied on support of lobbyists is disingenuous to say the least.
Thanks for not telling me to STFU.

[DerekJ]

31. Prove it, or STFU.

[lumpy]

41. Just one site showing Obama's connection to lobbyists

http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/12/01/1134703-obamas-complex-history-with-lobbyists

[DerekJ]

44. Give me the FEC records that show he took PAC or lobbyists money, and stop sending me to hit pieces.

I want one credible source, that shows Obama took money form lobbyists or PACs during this election cycle.

[Ichingcarpenter]

32. So you are calling Elizabeth, John, Obama and the FEC liars?

Put up or shut the hell up Mr. Bush.

[lumpy]

40. There are more sites about this if interested:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama/Campaign_Financing

Research and make up you own mind whether he has been forthcoming about using lobbyist funding.
I don't have to shut the hell up, thank you.

[Garbo 2004]

39. Neither Edwards or Obama accepted donations from Federal lobbyists in '08 campaign. Clinton does. nt

[lumpy]

42. This site is more detailed re. Obama's use of lobby money.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama/Campaign_Financing

Undeniably Obama has used lobbyists for furthering his political career when it is convenient.

[DerekJ]

45. Obama took lobbyists money during his senate campaign you moron. The FEC records shows he only took

$250.00 of PAC money this election cycle. Get your story straight.

[lumpy]

47. Read the report, asshole: WH bid bankroll. legal loophole.

On February 1, 2007, Barack Obama, through his Obama Exploratory Committee, asked<1> the Federal Election Commission "whether, if Senator Obama becomes a candidate, provisionally raise funds for the general election but retain the option, upon nomination, of returning these contributions and the public funds for which he would be eligible as the Democratic Party's nominee."

Obama "used campaign donations generated by PACs and lobbyists to bankroll the birth of his White House bid -- though he's banning that money for his presidential 2008 race," Lynn Sweet reported<2> February 9, 2007, in the Chicago Sun-Times.

"Obama's conversion to a laudable higher standard does not negate that money from sources he now disdains helped paved the way for his kickoff in Springfield on Saturday .

"Obama has been raising campaign cash for two political pots -- Obama 2010 Inc., his Senate re-election committee, and the Hopefund, another war chest. Obama, until his recent conversion on the eve of his presidential run, took more than $1 million from political action committees.

"An examination of disbursements from the two funds reveals how Obama was able to use legal loopholes commonly used by other presidential contenders to pay for White House testing-of-the-water expenses," Sweet wrote.<3>

[DerekJ]

48. THERE IS SOMETHING CALLED FEC REPORTS YOU DIMWIT... You are obviously clueless.

[lumpy]

51. Reliable source and others who question Obama's tactics

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Barack_Obama/Campaign_Financing

Really Obama makes like he has never taken lobby money even tho' he has used lobby money for furthering his political career even when testing the water for a WH run.

[quakerboy]

57. reliable sources

a politically oriented wikipedia? Useful, but editable by anyone. I could change it to say that Obama only accepts donations from miniature weasels.

And an article about his state senate run. Which is not the same as his Presidential run.

Find a new source or two, maybe

[anonymous171]

9. Because Hillary was so succesful the last time with HC reform.

:eyes:

[EmilyAnne]

12. But he didn't. He talked to Obama many times about this one issue before deciding to endorse him.

He said that Obama is committed to universal health care and is taking a realistic approach to starting the ball rolling in that direction. Obama's health care plan can and most likely will change once he is in the White House and can put together a team of advisers. Its absurd to think that someone running for office already hass all of his policies set in stone.

[dansolo]

26. Especially since he doesn't know how large his majorities will be

I expect that Obama will be much more ambitious if he has a filibuster proof majority in the Senate and a significant majority in the House.

[Olney Blue]

34. That's true. The realities on the ground when one takes office can complicate

even the best of intentions. I just hope we can finally get something done with health care this time.

[Forkboy]

14. You're being as ugly as possible today.

Pissing on any thread, defending McCain over a Democrat, and just generally acting in a very sad manner. The amount of bitterness is frightening, and you should definitely step back and take a look at what's it's doing to you.

[BlooInBloo]

15. Don't underestimate their ability to be ugly.

[Forkboy]

22. Actually, I had some very nice words with Ozark in a different forum last week.

And I'd like to think the Ozark I saw there is still an Ozark we can see more of in the future.

[BlooInBloo]

27. Fair enough!

[newmajority]

19. Mandatory Corporate Romneycare is NOT "health care reform"

Maybe that's what John didn't like? :shrug:

If Hillary was SERIOUS about actual health care reform, like she was in 1992, I'd recommend that President Obama appoint her to HHS, or some new cabinet position to make those decisions. But not under her current corporatist approach.

Now I'd like to see Dennis Kucinich in that position, making HR 676 into reality. There's absolutely no fucking excuse (other than corporate greed) why it shouldn't be.

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. Dennis had the best plan.. but I'm glad the speculation

on Elizabeth is over.

[OzarkDem]

21. Sorry, I've read both plans extensively

and you should too.

Clinton's plan is nothing like Romney's. Her plan has key provisions Obama's doesn't include - like caps on insurance premiums. That and the lack of a competing public insurance plan option caused his to fail and will cause Obama's to do the same.

[Window]

24. Oh, please. Sen. Obama has acknowledged his health care plan would have to be "tweaked."

[lumpy]

53. Afraid O will do a lot of tweaking before this is all over.

Capping insurance premiums is a pretty big tweak. Why didn't he think of that?

[cali]

25. LOL!! You idolized JE. Put him on the highest pedestal. You trashed hillary

along with Obama when you were on the JE bandwagon. Now, it's under the bus with JE. Too funny.

[Andy823]

38. Clintons health care plan

Was "Edwards" health care plan! That's why Elizabeth was in favor of it. John Edwards did "NOT" betray anyone. I would be willing to bet that Obama will tweak his plan some and it well be closer to Edwards plan!

[lumpy]

54. Obama is using every ones plan except his own.

Barack "Tom Sawyer" Obama. I'm sure Hillary will help him tremendously on coming up with a balanced plan since she has done extensive research on the subject. What pol knows it better than Hillary?

[boppers]

56. Did you just make a "Tom" reference, to the novel "Tom Sawyer", in reference to Obama?

Do I have to explain to you in how many ways that's wrong?

The mind boggles.

[Cali_Democrat]

13. Will Hillary supporters be able to throw her under the bus?

I don't know if there's enough room.

[Life Long Dem]

16. I like that. "poised to edge out Clinton for the nomination."

Obama has been "poised" to win this since Super Tuesday. As if they're neck and neck and we are seeing a photo finish with Obama taking this by a nose.

[Cha]

23. Thanks Elizabeth Edwards!

"I never encouraged him to support a particular candidate, only to follow his heart.” And he did :loveya:

[OzarkDem]

28. Your subject line is misleading

It says she's not endorsing her, doesn't say she doesn't back her.

In fact, Elizabeth Edwards supports Clinton's health care reform plan.

[Catherina]

36. Cling Ozark. Never give up hope. Santa will make everything A-ok! n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

37. Go take your crap somewhere else........

you are embarrassing yourself and your candidate.

[grantcart]

49. 115 now 114

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[Rhiannon12866]

43. I wondered what Elizabeth thought, since she said she preferred Hillary's health plan...

And I noticed that she wasn't with Senator Edwards when he gave Senator Obama his endorsement. K&R, and thank you...:-)

[WA98296]

52. Love and Good Wishes to Elizabeth and John from the Pacific NW.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

55. thanks for the clarification

its what I thought all along.