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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:10 AM
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As I woman, I am ashamed of all of you claiming sexism by the presumptive nominee.
Quite a few posts this morning on the NY Times story screaming sexism. Ferraro has taken the wildly irresponsible stance stating that not only might she not vote for Obama but stated that she feels he's been incredibly sexist. The thing missing from this article?

FACTS.

I challenge any and all of you screaming sexism to show me one example in which Senator Obama has shown sexism towards Senator Clinton. For that matter an example where someone on the campaign has shown that sexism. And as another poster had the lunacy to suggest this morning, an example in which the DNC has shown sexism.

For the record, I certainly am NOT suggesting that sexism does not exist. I believe that some in the media have indeed shown sexism towards Senator Clinton, just as the media has shown racism towards Senator Obama. But you guys blaming Obama? Put your blame where it is due, there are clear examples within the media reflecting exactly what you guys are so offended by yet not a single example of this sexism by Obama and his campaign. Yet who are you taking your anger out on? Not the media, it's all squarely placed on Obama.

If you are not voting for Obama in the GE, all you are doing is helping a candidate, John McCain, who has shown crystal clear examples of sexism (calling his wife a c*nt, and re:HRC laughing at "How do we beat the bitch?") find his way into the White House.

I am a woman, and am not only proud to be supporting Barack Obama, but also feel quite confident I will see not only a black president in my lifetime but a female as well, it just won't be Hillary this time around.

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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:12 AM
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1. Facts? They don't need no stinkin' facts
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jsmirman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:17 AM
Response to Reply #1
6. Yep. I've asked a bunch of times and still... nothing.
It's dishonesty at its worst and most crass.

Great sig, btw.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:23 AM
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8. me too...
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:26 AM
Response to Reply #8
13. *Crickets* from the Clinton camp...
Not to get too off topic, but do you see the Hornets winning game 7 tonight? Hope we get that home court advantage.
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:44 AM
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28. hope so
:hi:

my husband normally avoids games at all cost (saints, lsu, hornets, etc), but has actually been watching hornets very closely. i was watching something last week and we ended up fighting over the remote for the whole half hour b/c he kept flipping back to the game.

there was an eruption of childish name-calling that stopped when i called him a fair weather fan, which is when he ceased his argument and said "well something good needs to happen for this city!!"

i didn't know whether to be confused over his sudden enthusiasm for the hornets or tickled that he actually expressed concern for the state of the city.
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:45 AM
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31. If there is a God in heaven,
NO will win the game tonight. Good luck.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:35 AM
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71. Blind to Obama's run in the gutter are we? - pretending racism by supporters (playing the race card)
and "what did she ever do" with no specific response to claimed Hillary accomplishments all qualify as sexism.

Deal with it.
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:15 AM
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2. Want some popcorn?
I have a feeling we're going to be waiting here a while, and I'm hungry :popcorn:
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:16 AM
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4. Heh...
I would love some.

What I would like more is all of these people, including Ferraro, to show me how Obama is responsible for the sexist garbage in the media.

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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:38 AM
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76. thank you for this post, yourguide. this is embarrassing.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:37 PM
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116. Ferraro who was put on a losing ticket after SDs awarded the nomination to Mondale not Hart
Hart was the popular charismatic candidate. Mondale, if he had a personality I don't remember it.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:16 AM
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3. Yup.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:16 AM
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5. It hasn't been a very good election cycle for Geraldine Ferraro.
She sounds like an old dingbat who should be locked up in the attic so as not to put guests on edge.

Who in the Clinton campaign told her to behave like this or is this a public relations disaster of her own making?

Jesus.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:22 AM
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7. she is incredibly bitter...
she bet on the wrong horse, worse she ended up tearing down the right horse.

I can not believe how hateful she has become.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:25 AM
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11. It's really embarrassing.
I used to admire Ferraro quite a bit.

That was then, though, and this is now.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:23 AM
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9. Obama fought tirelessly for women's rights
NARAL has endorsed Obama now. They did not do so lightly.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #9
20. NARAL is now paying the price for that
Can you please site any link where Obama has done something for womens rights?
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:48 AM
Response to Reply #20
34. please, cite where he HASN'T.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 08:51 AM by beezlebum
the entire thread is asking for YOUR linkage.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:50 AM
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36. Here's a dozen recent examples
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Stem cells hold promise to cure 70 major diseases. (Aug 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman's right to choose. (May 2004)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)


Source
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. thank you! n/t
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #36
44. Thanks
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #36
133. O SNAP nt
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philk17088 Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #20
124. HRC has done what..
What has Hillary done specifically for women's rights?
Please list all the women's rights legislation she managed to get passed in her tenure as Senator?
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #9
50. Cause It's So Hard to Vote "Present"
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #50
89. This has been explained a billion times before:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-abortion-.html

ABC News' Teddy Davis Reports: When Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., voted "present," rather than "yes" or "no" on a handful of controversial abortion votes in the Illinois state senate, he did so with the explicit support of the president and CEO of Illinois Planned Parenthood Council.

"We at Planned Parenthood view those as leadership votes," Pam Sutherland, the president and CEO of the Illinois Planned Parenthood Council, told ABC News. "We worked with him specifically on his strategy. The Republicans were in control of the Illinois Senate at the time. They loved to hold votes on 'partial birth' and 'born alive'. They put these bills out all the time . . . because they wanted to pigeonhole Democrats."

Speaking to ABC News as Obama was preparing to join Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and the wife of Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., in addressing Planned Parenthood’s national conference in Washington, D.C., Sutherland said Obama approached her in the late 1990s and worked with her and others in crafting the strategy of voting "present." She remembers meeting with Obama outside of the Illinois Senate chambers on the Democratic side of the aisle. She and Obama finished their conversation in his office.

"He came to me and said: 'My members are being attacked. We need to figure out a way to protect members and to protect women,'" said Sutherland in recounting her conversation with Obama. "A 'present' vote was hard to pigeonhole which is exactly what Obama wanted."
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:11 PM
Response to Reply #89
102. There's Nothing Like a Good Positioning Statement, Is There ...
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:24 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. It was good enough for Planned Parenthood of IL.
:shrug:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #50
126. Maybe it is when you're voting exactly as your state's women's
groups have asked you to vote.

But again, don't let the facts get in the way.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:24 AM
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10. The winger whackjobs have been misogynist toward Clinton since 1992
Now, whatthefuck Obama was supposed to have done about that, I can't figure out.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:40 PM
Response to Reply #10
117. He could have sued the manufacturer of the HRC nutcracker for.........
Oh well I guess he doesn't have standing, so a law suit is out.
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:25 AM
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12. Yawn...
:eyes:
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BayouBengal07 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #12
14. That's it?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:27 AM
Response to Reply #12
15. Considering your posts
seem to reflect exactly what I am speaking of, I challenge you yet again to show any evidence of this Ozark.

SHOW IT or place your blame where it is truly due.

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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:29 AM
Response to Reply #15
16. Already answered in another thread
Look for it. I have to get to work.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:34 AM
Response to Reply #16
17. I read your answer and it's BS
Edited on Mon May-19-08 08:36 AM by yourguide
Your response was:

Obama isn't the only culprit

the DNC has had a lot to do with it also.

The entire message from beginning to end of Obama being the "winner" when he was behind or running even with Clinton is more than ample evidence.

The DNC's and Obama's interference in the campaign by suppressing the vote in FL and MI are two other very, very big examples.

Sexism isn't just about calling names or making offensive and demeaning remarks. Its also about using media messages and subterfuge to undermine a candidate when she's winning and she's a woman.

-------------------------------------------

Yet the truth is Obama had a lead in pledged delegates from the beginning, thus making him the winner.

And your suggestion that "suppressing the vote in FL & MI" is sexist, considering they broke the rules and both candidates agreed to it up front, not only do I not see any sexism, I see the DNC implementing punishment for states that broke the rules - now one candidate wants to change the rules.


AGAIN, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE THAT IS SEXIST.




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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:36 AM
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21. This is really their last straw. If the sexism crap doesn't stick, this means that...
Hillary was actually responsible for losing her campaign. Meaning, she made critical errors that cost her the election. This is hardly a revelation, but I suppose its lots easier to say the equivalent that the "Refs stole it from me" versus saying something like, "God, I really had a horrid strategy and even worse advisers. That might have cost me the election, along with my IWR vote..."
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #21
25. Sexism isn't CRAP, honey........
it's real......so sorry, you probably think very little of the issues women in your own family face.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #25
45. I eagerly await your answer of Obama's rampant sexism...
Feel free to spin my post to try to slam me personally, but again the issue here is Hillary surrogates blaming the Obama campaign for sexism as the latest reason for why she's losing.

Lets face it, her campaign strategists should be sued for campaign malfeasance. If you're looking for a reason as to why Hillary lost (other than the IWR vote, of course), why don't you start with 90% of the problem? Her campaign truly sucked early on. This was when she had all the advantages, including money, super delegates, momentum, positive press, etc.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #45
49. Never said Obama was sexist........
Geez, learn to chill slightly.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #49
57. So your "Bros before Hos" post in response to people asking for an example meant what exactly?
Seems somewhat duplicitous. Here you are accusing me of not caring at all of sexism, even when its towards my own family members - you have answered the call on why Obama is sexist, yet you really don't think Hillary's supporters have a leg to stand on regarding this issue?

Seems to me like you might be better off saying something like, "As a Hillary supporter, I don't agree with her surrogates or posters here who say Obama has been sexist, but I do think sexism has been an issue in the coverage."

Guess we're not seeing that from you though, right?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #25
47. "Honey" ?
Agree only that sexism is not crap; however, if the boy cries wolf, the village comes to help, and there is no wolf at all, then we have a problem.

Hillary Clinton's fall from a commanding lead in polls and a shitpile of money came as the result of her own inability to marshall a national campaign, one which she and her handlers did not even PLAN for post-Feb. 5th.

It has nothing to do with gender.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #25
77. sexism is real all right but not here. not a single instance of where
Obama has been less than a professional. list one.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:57 AM
Response to Reply #25
82. "so sorry, you probably think very little of the issues women in your own family face."
How seriously do the people who think McCain is a better choice take the issue of sexism and women's issues?
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:43 PM
Response to Reply #25
118. White woman here, went to work, came home to my house, looked for sexism behind the bush
it wasn't there. But tomorrow I will look for it again.

But I did drive through the ghetto like I always do to and from work and I'm pretty sure I saw perilously low income people who all happen to be black. Isn't that funny how the poor neighborhoods in our city are a certain color?
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OzarkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:42 PM
Response to Reply #17
88. Obama will lose, even with all Dem women's votes
Our decision to vote or stay home won't make a difference. He will lose anyway.
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sfam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #88
99. Are you also predicting rain and tornados for the rest of the spring?
thanks for the pep talk!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:45 PM
Response to Reply #88
107. Ozark you need to speak for yourself...instead of pretending to speak
for all dem women, you dont.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:50 PM
Response to Reply #88
119. That is your opinion, not a fact
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #16
18. Yep, you're working hard to overturn Roe
and deny women rights.

We've noticed.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #18
81. that is dumb
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:22 PM
Response to Reply #81
128. That if fact!
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:35 AM
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19. I'm interested to see this too.
The only thing I can think of that was directly attributed to Barack was when he said the word "periodically" in a sentence referring to Hillary. And even that was a ridiculous stretch.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #19
22. "Likeable enough" is another great crime against the gender
as was questioning Her First Ladyness' resume.

The sexismosity of it all.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:52 PM
Response to Reply #22
120. Yes! Because everyone knows likeability is a male characteristic, luckily HRC has 3 testicles
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #19
52. Exactly considering Hillary hasn't had a "Periodically" since the Nixon years!
I am a girl am I aloud to say that
aww who cares
I'm sexist I'm sexist I'm sexist
wait is that the same as sexy?
who cares
I'm sexist I'm sexist I'm sexist
:rofl:
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:41 AM
Response to Original message
23. Really searching for a reason to be affronted, eh?
Who is accusing Obama of sexism? :sarcasm:
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:42 AM
Response to Reply #23
24. Geraldine Ferraro
Check out the front page of the New York Times.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:43 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. Bros before Hos?
:eyes:
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #26
30. Which Obama had NOTHING to do with.
That's like blaming Hillary for the Curious George Obama shirts.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:51 AM
Response to Reply #30
37. Not saying it did. HELLO??
desperate.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. Some of your fellow Hillary supporters did say it.
Hello? :eyes:
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #37
41. So show an example of where the
Obama campaign has shown any degree of sexism.

I can certainly show a couple of examples of racism by HRC and her surrogates.
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:45 AM
Response to Reply #26
32. How incredibly stupid!
Right, and the "Bros before Hos" graphic was released directly from the Obama campaign, right? Place the charges of sexism precisely where they belong -- directly on the media and the idiots that feel that it was acceptable to release the bull.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:53 AM
Response to Reply #32
43. Learn to READ, never said they did?
Geez, drink some more coffee and WAKE UP! :eyes:

Chip on your shoulder, much? :sarcasm: Learn to read, it may prove helpful in the future.
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:07 AM
Response to Reply #43
58. Learn to READ, Chip on your shoulder much?
We are talking about the OP in this thread, it's what we do. When an OP asks for an example that the opponents have failed to provide, and your post does nothing but list one example of the sort asked for, and then when jumped on you say "oh, I wasn't talking about the OP". What were you talking about then, with your "bros before hos" comment?

Only further proves the OP that you people are desperately trying to paint Obama as sexist without being able to name a single instance.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:08 AM
Response to Reply #43
60. This thread is about what Obama himself has done.
So I suggest you pour a cup for yourself as well. You seem to have misread the OP.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:47 AM
Response to Reply #26
33. Obama didn't make those t-shirts
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:54 AM
Response to Reply #33
46. Well, duh..........again, people, never said he did.
:eyes:

Honestly, you think Obama supporters would be a tad less bitter and desperate.
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:10 AM
Response to Reply #46
62. Because that's what the winners usually are...
"bitter" and "desperate"... not the losers, no way, there's some reason they lost that has nothing to do with them, and even though they're trying to pin false charges of sexism of their opponent with absolutely no basis in reality, they're not bitter or desperate in any way. :rofl:
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #46
78. Ignore this person. no matter what you say, they will condescend.
its all they have.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #78
114. Condescend? LOL
Thanks......too bad you couldn't come back with, well, more? :sarcasm:

Do you have something to say?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:49 AM
Response to Reply #26
35. Again
place your anger and blame where it is due. The Obama campaign had nothing to do with it.

Perfect example of of misplaced anger.

Again, I ask for one example.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #35
65. It's really concerning that some people can't tell the difference between media vs. campaign..
Either can't, or purposely let them bleed together.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:44 AM
Response to Reply #23
29. Um...
Geraldine Ferraro: http://thepage.time.com/2008/05/19/ferraro-i-might-not-vote-for-obama/

And of course a couple of locals...ozarkdem and njsecularist
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Renaissance Man Donating Member (420 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:43 AM
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27. These trumped up charges...
Edited on Mon May-19-08 08:46 AM by Renaissance Man
...of sexism are ridiculous, at best, and morbidly inaccurate, at the least.

A man that has two daughters (no sons), a wife, a sister, and a mother that he writes and speaks about frequently with much adoration is somehow a sexist?

This stuff doesn't get any better.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:52 AM
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39. Obama has been feverishly courting the Sexist Pigs in Kayaks vote,
Edited on Mon May-19-08 08:52 AM by Old Crusoe
as evidenced yesterday along the Willamette River in Portland.


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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #39
67. Did you notice all of the elitist
AAs in that crowd too?
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:46 PM
Response to Reply #67
123. I heard the water supply in Portland is primed with latte.
Straight out of the faucets!

They do dishes with it out there!

They turn on the showers in their homes -- out come a torrent of latte'!

The high schools' basketball teams shower in latte' after practices and games.

Elitist latte-guzzling cultists, wall-to-wall!


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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:53 AM
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42. I am a 49 yo mother and former small business owner (17 years) and I don't get it either.
I consider myself a feminist but certainly NOT the Hillary type (in which you must support a women rather who you believe is best for the country). I had a Hillary supporter scold me "how could you support Obama-don't you care about your daughter?" I responded that Sen Obama received a 100% approval rating from NARAL, but facts didn't seem to matter. When I attempted to point out that I also had a son (as did she) and that Hillary's votes on both IWR and Kyl Lieberman did more to promote an unstable war that might be carried on for years and might escalate to include our children as well as others-it didn't matter. It was reminiscent of bush supporters only caring about Gay marriage-one trick pony on issues.

Now we have Hillary Democrats protesting at the Ohio Democratic Party over sexism when the highest ranking Dem in OH, Gov Ted Strickland pandered to Hillary while Obama built his support from the ground. Two steps back on women's rights imho.
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #42
51. There must be an awful lot of sexist WOMEN
out there who won't vote for Hillary just BECAUSE she is a woman. How many think she is just the plain WRONG PERSON? Would you vote for Ann Coulter just because she is a woman? Not, me
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #51
53. "Would you vote for Ann Coulter just because she is a woman?"
Edited on Mon May-19-08 09:02 AM by beezlebum
:applause:

PERFECT! and hellllll no!
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #51
54. brilliant! n/t
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:55 AM
Response to Original message
48. The culprits:
C*NT- Founded by Roger Stone, RNC oppo researcher

Nutcracker- Rochester businessman Frank Freeman

Wife gibes- Tweety, Penn Gillette, Neil Cavuto, Sean Hannity, Jack Cafferty

Iron my shirt!- Boston radio hosts Toucher & Rich

etc...


Notice whom are missing?
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Franks Wild Years Donating Member (687 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:03 AM
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55. Ferraro is the female David Duke?
Edited on Mon May-19-08 09:05 AM by Franks Wild Years
Given that she has fabricated the "sexism" allegations, I don't see why we cannot speculate that her reason for doing so could conceiveably be because she's - possibly - a wildly racist individual. While no one can be certain of it, it's undeniably a pretty rational explaination given some of her earlier comments.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:04 AM
Response to Original message
56. Now on my second cup of coffee...
Still waiting...
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #56
104. LOL, better buy a whole crap load of coffee beans, you will have
time to grind them, brew and drink many, many pots of coffee and will still not receive an answer.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:08 AM
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59. There has been some excessive douchebaggery as of late...
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:09 AM
Response to Reply #59
61. Obama posts on DU?
Sweet! Let me know who that is so I can take them off "ignore".
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:11 AM
Response to Reply #61
63. You have the OP of that thread on ignore already? I'm thinking about it myself. n/t
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:12 AM
Response to Reply #61
64. No, that was an example of Clinton supporter douchebaggery,
more demanding he be accountable for sexism he clearly has no part of, and for which not a single example can be found, as this post proves.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:15 AM
Response to Reply #64
66. Thanks. I was going to be concerned if I "ignored" Obama...
Seeing as I voted for him and all... ;)
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #64
93. Well, he did call Helen Thomas "Sugar-tits."
No... not really.

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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:58 PM
Response to Reply #59
92. that was the worst video!
I criticized it days ago and asked what had Obama actually done there that was sexist, and some oh-so-nice CLinton supporter told me that she hopes that I get acid thrown on me. :eyes:
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:26 AM
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68. Really?
“It’s that experience, that understanding, not just of what world leaders I went and talked to in the ambassador’s house I had tea with ....

"I understand that Senator Clinton, periodically when she's feeling down, launches attacks as a way of trying to boost her appeal."

"You challenge the status quo and suddenly the claws come out."
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. FAIL
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:34 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. LOL
Next time, please post a disclaimer" "no discussion needed," so people will know better.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #69
73. wow
can't reply to the poster, but i must say- that's soooome reaching!

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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #68
72. Jesus christ...none of those are sexist...
the periodically one is desperate and laughable.

Good luck with that.
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #68
74. THat second part you mentioned wasn't sexist at all. Obama was referring
to the polls, which she was down at the time, as the reason for her attacks.
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barack the house Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:41 AM
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75. You're right they are making a mockery of what sexism is which is control..
Edited on Mon May-19-08 09:47 AM by barack the house
I agree Sen. Obama has not tried to dictate her campaign at all. He may of not shook her hand one time but Hillary herself can't say she has always been congenial herself. Sen. Obama has not taken a political stand thats women first because his campaign is for all americans mostly as to fix our problems we must move together. One radio caller nailed it the media is using sexism racism to the point that we go our separate ways and don't pull together. So, we must work against this.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:51 AM
Response to Original message
79. Oh Pleeaaaaazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:00 AM
Response to Reply #79
84. As usual...
no facts to back this up...
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #84
86. Too many facts to even list....
your post is ridiculous.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:23 AM
Response to Reply #86
87. Well how about listing
Edited on Mon May-19-08 11:24 AM by yourguide
The top 10?

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ekwhite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:52 AM
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80. K&R N/T
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:59 AM
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83. examples...
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:04 AM
Response to Reply #83
85. Just read em...
So far you guys are in a tizzy over Obama calling a reporter a sweetie.

and of course no evidence of sexism from Obama's campaign toward Clinton. Saying someone is a little down - not sexist.

and trying to turn the word periodically into some sort of sexist slur is laughable.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #85
90. millions of women would disagree... and they are the ones that really count
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:47 PM
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91. Deleted message
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #91
94. oh right, now we don't matter.
sexist much???
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #91
95. i wouldnt go that far... women have a variety of reasons for supporting either candidate, BUT
I will re-iterate that several million women have taken these remarks as sexist... so those are the ones that count.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #95
101. And I would reinterate that several million woman
have voted for obama and don't see any of his statements as sexist...but apparently we dont count.

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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #91
100. you should be ashamed of yourself ozark.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:50 PM by yourguide
that post is fucking disgusting. AND SEXIST!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #91
105. "A few Obama supporting women with low self esteem or not enough experience in the real world"
Clinton supporters are so fucking admirable, I don't think I can contain myself from gushing over with admiration.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #105
108. I'll just second what you said.
And nix the reply that probably would've gotten me tombstoned.

:grr:
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:29 PM
Response to Reply #108
109. :) It's how I hold myself back.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:30 PM
Response to Reply #91
106. WOW! Your post shows you don't have a bloody clue what
sexism is or you would NEVER have even contemplated posting shit like this.
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sudopod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #90
134. Millions of women who apparently
don't have internet acces. :3
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #83
96. By quoting a blog from onenewsnow, formerly agapepress
you've lost any leg you had to stand on. This is a website that formerly called Hillary the anti-christ, runs stories that are even more right wing than freerepublic. Most of the stuff is equating liberals/democrats to evil, and that we are in with satan. What amazes me is that you claim that sexism by Obama himself is rampant and terrible. Yet when you are asked you can only produce two flimsy quotes, that if taken in context are completely acquitted of sexist meaning. If you have to reach so far to find justification for your stance that you are citing that website, I think you seriously need to re-examine your position.

I say this as an Obama supporter, but someone who still thinks very highly of Hillary. I respect your devotion to her candidacy, but try not to undermine your position by perpetuating a flat out lie.
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bpeale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:14 PM
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97. oh STFU! i am so tired of people's faux outrage over every damned thing.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. next we will be hysterical. calmly i ask.... the charge obama is extremely sexist. facts....
please supply the fact. anyone tell me where obama is a sexist and i will be all over him....

but

i actually need fact
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:39 PM
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110. He called a reporter sweetie, didn't "let" Hillary win
and so we should give up roe v.wade, have a war with Iran and let our kids die. (McCain!)That's modern feminism huh? Is this the monster that Hillary created? I don't get it. People as usual, are insane. There are things more important. But you know, Obama makes them mad. And that's what's important dammit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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akbacchus_BC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #110
111. Very sad isn't it! He gets crucified for saying Sweetie to a reporter.
Is that a major issue in the US, NOT. Why can't people wake up and realize what the important issues are.

Imagine the audacity of a DUer insulting women who are supporting Senator Obama, most of the women who post on here and who support Senator Obama are truly gifted people and well educated. Never have I seen one responding with "oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeez". They always have something intelligent to say and they back themselves up with facts.

How many more silly hurdles does Senator Obama have to overcome, he has already proved he is ready to lead the US. Too bad Senator Clinton did not have a planned strategy after February 5, she thought she was the anointed one!
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:34 PM
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112. i think most of us would say the sexism has come from O supporters more than O himself, and speakin
speaking of the B-word, we don't have to listen to mccain, we can hear that right here on DU about hillary and her supporters. How many of us here have called Obama a n*gger or similar epithet?
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beezlebum Donating Member (927 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:18 PM
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113. war is NOT a feminist effort
Edited on Mon May-19-08 05:54 PM by beezlebum
i thought i might check in this afternoon to see if any plausible evidence of obama's egregious sectsism was posted, and still, nothing, even after an apparent late afternoon kick.

as a feminist, i can not bring myself to support hillary clinton- because as a feminist, one of my many reasons for being anti-war and strongly pro-diplomacy/anti-interventionist (militarily speaking) is that it (war) pits women (along with innocent children and men) around the world in abhorrent situations- leaving them more vulnerable to rape, murder, mutilation, starvation, and so on.

voting for the IWR alone did not do her in- it was voting for it, and subsequently kyl/lieberman, and going on to openly preemptively unapologetically and repeatedly threaten iran. war and rattling at an already instable region by waxing hypothetical obliteration does not do women good, there is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION for it.

yes, barack obama voted to fund the war/occupation, under the pressure that if he hadn't, he would've been denying soliders supplies they require for survival- and while that alone may not excuse it, he is by far the more diplomatic and grassroots candidate who i strongly believe will give more credence to the anti-war effort.

hillary clinton has not done women a favor simply by being a woman- and here is where i quote the brilliant post upthread that says, "Ann Coulter is a woman- would you vote for her just because of it??" hell fucking no.

WAR IS NOT A FEMINIST EFFORT.
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Robert Murphy Donating Member (305 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:29 PM
Response to Original message
115. Hear! Hear!
You tell 'em sister!

Robert
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Chalco Donating Member (817 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:14 PM
Response to Original message
121. As a woman, I'm ashamed of you.
Watch this video. It was on another thread but you probably ignored it or didn't watch the whole thing because you want to stay in denial.

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke64670GkZ8&feature=related>
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #121
127. Nice, blaming Obama for the sins of the media - good one...NOT
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #127
132. it's back to "periodically"
"When she is feeling down"

Meanwhile, Clinton refers to herself as a "girl" and starts crying when she is in trouble.

Ferraro didn't like the Annie Oakley comment. Ferraro said some racist stuff and is still angry with Obama for being called on it. Basically, all she has is "Annie Oakley." I'm female, proud of it, and thought the comment was fine--funny, in fact.
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liberaldem4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 07:16 PM
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122. Great post-happy to K&R
:kick:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:17 PM
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125. Very well said. That's just what I keep asking
I've yet to see an answer.

And that just sets back feminism years and years.
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NanceGreggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:00 AM
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129. Oh, yeah!
:kick: :kick: :kick:

AND REC'D!!! :yourock:
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:19 AM
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130. Thanks
:kick:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:57 AM
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131. "Geraldine Ferraro Escapes from Home Again" should have been the article's title
Who is letting her get out without sanatorium supervision?
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