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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:18 AM
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Hillary Clinton's Faith in Democracy in Kentucky




LORETTO, Kentucky -- Clinton's visit to rural Marion County was the first ever by a presidential candidate, and she took part in a local tradition, dipping a bottle of Maker's Mark bourbon into a pit of red wax.

Several in the crowd wore white hats with "Clean Coal" printed on the front, and Clinton stressed the need to develop alternative energies to help wean the U.S. off its reliance on foreign oil. Kentucky, which is among the nation's top coal producers, is working to woo companies to build plants that would use "clean coal" technology.

Clinton said she's troubled that sport utility vehicles get worse gas mileage than the original Model T, which ran on ethanol.

"You know what it ran on, it ran on moonshine, it had more power and went further and had more kick than what we see in our cars today," she said. "It may be back to the future. I think Kentucky could play a leading role in that getting us organized for the biofuel future."







"I am hoping that Kentucky will send a big message to the Democratic Party and to the country," Clinton said as the crowd cheered, "that we know what kind of president we need and we know who will defeat John McCain in the fall."

Later, at a rally in Frankfort, she brandished harsher words aimed at the Republicans, particularly President Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney.

"It is tragic that we have lost so much ground because of their terrible leadership of this country. I don't know if we've had a worse president," she said, sparking the loudest reaction of the afternoon from the crowd of 350 at Kentucky State University.







FRANKFORT, KY – Clinton, Saturday, delivered her sharpest attack yet on McCain’s economic policies – saying the Arizona Senator is “laying out an agenda on the campaign trial that is nothing less than four more years of George Bush economics.” And that, as all Democrats know, is pretty bad. “I don’t know that we’ve had a worse president in American history,” Clinton said of Bush. (http://embeds.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/05/17/clinton-moving-to-general-election-strategy/)

She ripped McCain’s Bush-like tax policies, saying “you really have to work hard to have a tax plan that is more tilted toward the wealthy than President Bush’s tax plan. But somehow Senator McCain has figured out a way to do it.”

She blasted his Bush-like plans to privatize Social Security – saying “that would be a disaster” – and his Bush-like disinterest in the housing crisis, saying “like President Bush, Senator McCain refused to acknowledge the home mortgage crisis until it spiraled out of control. He has spent his time blaming homeowners.”







And she lit into his Bush-like corporate agenda, saying “Senator McCain decides Americas most pressing economic priority is tax cuts for our largest corporations. I don’t know that you can be more out of touch than that.”

“Senator McCain’s economic policy boils down to this – don’t just continue driving our nation in the wrong direction, put your foot on the accelerator and gun it,” she told a cheering crowd.

“It’s hard to imagine, but Senator McCain and President Bush are like two sides of the same coin, and it doesn’t amount to a whole lot of change.”







Katelyn Jenkins got a surprise visit from Sen. Hillary Clinton on one of the biggest days of her life so far. But odds are, she didn’t even notice. (http://blogs.reuters.com/trail08/2008/05/18/baby-gets-baptised-with-a-visit-from-clinton/)

The eight-week-old girl was getting baptised on Sunday morning at the State Street United Methodist Church, where the Democratic presidential contender paused in her campaigning to attend services.

At the sight of the former first lady, the baby’s father said: “I was pleasantly surprised and amazed.”

As for the red-haired baby in her father’s arms, she slept a bit, looked around a bit and fussed a bit.

“She just knew there was a big crowd, and everyone was looking at her,” said the baby’s father, adding that he was ”possibly” a Clinton supporter.







MAYFIELD, Ky. - Take a vote from the crowd that turned out in Mayfield Sunday and Senator Hillary Clinton would be the next president. She got a spirited welcome from about 600 supporters outside the Chamber of Commerce Sunday afternoon.

This was clearly a unify the party speech. She mentioned Barack Obama only briefly. President Bush was the target.

Sen. Clinton wants to give Americans a $10,000 tax rebate for buying fuel efficient cars, slash the tax cuts enjoyed by big oil companies and take anti-trust action against OPEC. She also mentioned a gas tax holiday for Americans.

Clinton spoke about her universal healthcare plan in which every American could opt for a plan similar to what those in Congress receive.

She also promised to abolish No Child Left Behind. She spoke about doubling the tax credit for college students, expanding Pell grants, and getting rid of the Free Application for Federal Student Aid (FAFSA).

Another topic that gained cheers and applause, Clinton's promise to come up with a plan to start bringing troops home from Iraq in 60 days of her taking office.







Saying the region had a “special place” in the heart of the Clinton family, Hillary Clinton told a large crowd here that she’s waging this campaign for people like them, not the pundits on TV.(http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/05/18/1036863.aspx)

“There were some folks who didn’t want Kentucky to vote,” she said. “There are some folks, you can see them on TV every night, who wanted it to be over for me after Iowa. And every time they say it, something funny happens. The voters don’t agree.”

She said these talking heads are “talking at us instead of with us,” and that they don’t have as much at stake in the election.

“I would bet every single one of those folks, they’ve got a job; we can see that. They’ve got good health care; we know that. They can pay whatever the charge is at the gas pump most likely. They can send their child to college. I’m not running to represent them, I’m running to fight for you and to be your champion.”







"And so what I'm hopin', what I am hoping is that on Tuesday you're going to send a real message to a lot of those folks who didn't want you to vote, who don't want me to keep fighting for you and fighting for our country. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/05/clinton-not-run.html)

Clinton continued to say the media was opposed to more democracy in this country.

" . . . you know what always strikes me as a little bit curious is that most of the folks who are saying 'end it' seem to -- they don't seem to have much faith in democracy. We want more democracy not less democracy. More people involved," she said. "Every one of them always seems to be talkin' at us instead of with us," she said.

Clinton (said) earlier in her speech that shipping jobs overseas was "unpatriotic." "we’ve got to take out of our tax code one penny of benefits so there nothing left for any company that moves a job out of Kentucky to a foreign country– that is unpatriotic."







Senator Clinton spent the majority of her speech highlighting eights years of experience in the White House and saying that she was the right candidate for the job.

"Some people criticize the 1990's and it always bewilders me, I wonder what part didn't they like, the peace or the prosperity," said Clinton.

Clinton also spoke about the ever rising gas prices, and what she calls an inappropriate relationship between President Bush and leaders in Saudi Arabia.

"I'll tell you one thing if I'm your President you won't see me holding hands with the Saudi's you'll see me holding them accountable and moving toward a better energy future," said Clinton.







“Yesterday the president was in Saudi Arabia, asking the Saudis, ‘Please, please help us. Produce more oil or sell it at a lower price.’ That is not an energy policy,” declared Clinton at an outdoor rally. Her delivery turned from passion to anger as she clutched the microphone and jabbed her finger into the air.

“Frankly I find that embarrassing that the President of the United States would go over to Saudi Arabia and beg for their help!”

While the crowd of several hundred responded with a roar, Clinton’s temperature continued to rise.

“We’re more dependent on foreign oil today than we were on 9/11. And I’m a senator from New York, so I take that very personally. Because you’ll remember most of those hijackers were from where? Saudi Arabia, right? So here we are - more dependent. We’ve done nothing while George Bush has been president!”








BOWLING GREEN, Kentucky -- More than a thousand people came to Western Kentucky University’s south lawn to hear Clinton speak.

It took nearly a half hour to get through the line of supporters who were wearing their Clinton T-shirts and pins and carrying Clinton signs. Clinton spoke for about 45 minutes. Several hundred more were turned away from the rally area because they wouldn’t be able to clear security in time. They listened to Clinton speak from areas outside of the formal rally.

The next president of the United States has to be ready to work on the first day, Clinton said.

“Once you get into the White House, the speeches are over and the cameras aren’t there. At that point you have to start making decisions.”







Clinton said if elected president she would raise the tax rate for those making more than $250,000 back to the levels of the 1990s. She would also eliminate tax loopholes for the rich and for companies moving factories outside of the United States.

She would use that money to finance a tax cut for the middle class, she said.

“It’s not right that all the economic benefits of the last seven years have disproportionately benefited the wealthy,” Clinton said. “Ninety-five percent of economic growth has gone to 10 percent of the population.”







Clinton encouraged her Kentucky supporters to vote in the upcoming primary, saying Sunday, "If we get everybody turned out, it's going to send a great message to our country that you don't stop democracy in its tracks."

"You don't tell some states that they can't vote and other states that have already had the opportunity that they're somehow more important," she said.

In considering who to vote for, she told the crowd to "think about this as a hiring decision."

"Come out and vote for me on Tuesday, I'll work my heart out for you," she said.


from the WSJ: (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/05/18/clinton-carries-on-at-ohio-fundraiser/?mod=WSJBlog)






FORT MITCHELL, Kentucky -- At a backyard fund-raiser in the Cincinnati suburbs Sunday evening, Sen. Hillary Clinton offered an abbreviated version of the pitch she’s making to the superdelegates, the group of elected officials and Democratic Party insiders whose support is crucial to keeping her chances of winning the nomination alive.

“This race is still too close to call. We’re still coming around the home stretch. We do not have a nominee,” the New York senator said. “What we have is a very close contest where I’m leading in the popular vote, where my opponent has an advantage in the delegates, but where, ultimately, the decision must rest on who can win. We did not go through such a long and vigorous campaign to see four more years of Republican leadership in the White House.”

Donors gave some $150,000 at the backyard event in Fort Mitchell, a northern Kentucky suburb of Cincinnati. Roughly 130 people gathered behind the home of Nathan and Mary Lee Smith, where the senator made a brief speech as onlookers snapped pictures on their cellphones and digital cameras.

Thanking the group, Clinton said, “I appreciate everything you’ve done. And we’ve been extremely successful tonight. And it has been challenging because I have raised more money than anybody who has run for president, except my opponent.” She added: “It’s embarrassing how much money the two of us have raised. But it’s so expensive to run such a vigorous, contested election for as long as we have. So you are enormously benefiting me tonight. To be able to keep carrying our message through this election and on to Puerto Rico, Montana, South Dakota, also on to making sure that we seat Michigan and Florida.”

Though Smith — the vice chairman of the Kentucky Democratic Party and a superdelegate — and his wife played host to the event, he hasn’t committed to supporting Clinton. Smith alluded to the situation in the introduction she gave the candidate, saying she has fielded numerous calls seeking to sway her husband to commit to Sen. Barack Obama.

“When he called just a few minutes ago I said, ‘He’s in the backyard with Hillary. Don’t bother calling back,” Smith said. “If you think the pressure from her opponent has been intense, it’s nothing like the pressure from me. I just told him, ‘You either cast your superdelegate vote for Sen. Clinton, or the locks on the doors get changed.’”





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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:23 AM
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1. good job! I'm glad she's concentrating on the republican, that's a good sign.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:24 AM
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2. Nice rally. Glad to see her attacking McCain instead of the Dem nominee!
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:26 AM
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3. You excluded the divisive bits....
I saw that speech in front of the Maker's Mark barrels on TV... Hillary used it as an opportunity to stress (wrongly) that "more Democrats had voted for her than for Obama".

Don't go away mad, just... go away.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:28 AM
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4. that's the * point.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 10:58 AM by bigtree
isn't there enough divisiveness on this forum for you to play with without mucking around on this innocuous thread?
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:32 AM
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5. Just calling it like we see it
If Hillary cleans up her campaign we won't have anything to point toward. She's a grown-up Democrat. Time to start acting like one. :rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:34 AM
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9. says the poster with the laughing cartoon character
"time to start acting like a grown-up"
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:40 AM
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14. and another little bully cricket comes on to spout crap on a positive thread.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:48 AM
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19. "that's the * point"
Edited on Mon May-19-08 11:24 AM by hokies4ever
hmmm...looks like I was only responding to a vulgar post...keep trying rodeodance/indimuse.

You're welcome to come party with me in the Boston area to celebrate Obama's pledged delegate majority if you want. The Crown Royal will be on me. :rofl:

edit: I'm glad that I could shame you into getting rid of those curse words. Next time keep it clean from the get-go.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:49 AM
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23. tasteless.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:52 AM
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I was only quoting the earlier post
Next time try reading the message. Now go see in the dunce corner, you're in intellectual timeout. :rofl:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:06 AM
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38. i did read the whole message... it wasnt the quote I was referring to.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:12 AM
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44. Then what's your problem
or do you condone the cursing by the other poster. Hypocrite!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:31 AM
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50. The 'cursing' was well justified. You're just shitstirring along with your opportunistic cohort
and you use that flimsy excuse that you were responding to the 'cursing'. What a lie. Here's your initial post:

"Just calling it like we see it"

"If Hillary cleans up her campaign we won't have anything to point toward. She's a grown-up Democrat. Time to start acting like one. *rofl*

You raised your own baiting argument in your post and then retreated to the puritan act when called on it. Like the other posters said to you and your friend already. If you want to start an argument, start your own thread. This one is deliberately free of the 'divisive bits'. That's the fucking point.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:33 AM
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51. You still mad that Obama won Maryland by 23 points?
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:34 AM
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54. nope. That's how ignorant your posting here is.
and you told me to grow up?
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:38 AM
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58. Where was Hillary's faith in democracy in Maryland?
Or is that one of those states that don't matter. Please remind me, because I'm having a hard time keeping track of these moving goal posts. :rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:40 AM
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60. what an inane argument. just shitstirring. boring at that.


good luck with all of that
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:48 AM
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66. I commend Hillary on her visit to the Maryland Association of the Deaf
Rumor has it, she cackled during the speech and nobody cringed. I still get chills whenever she does that to try to act more human.

It's not too late to jump on the winning bandwagon. It's starting to fill up though, so don't wait too long.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:55 AM
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70. like I said before . . .
every time you make one of your self-satisfied observations about my support for these candidates, you demonstrate that you know absolutely NOTHING significant about me. But, you keep on trying to impose your narrow political perspective to my own reasoning. What could be more ignorant than just making shit up and ridiculing someone for what you've invented in your redundant mind? You really don't need to post here to do that. That conversation can be efficiently dispatched from the comfort of your own circle jerk.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:04 PM
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73. Sounds like Republican/Hillary political strategy
"What could be more ignorant than just making shit up and ridiculing someone for what you've invented in your redundant mind?"

Do you support Hillary's use of this type of Republican attack strategy this campaign season?
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:07 PM
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78. ah, the last refuge of a political demagouge. The accusation of republicanism
you really are boring.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:08 PM
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79. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:09 PM
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80. how petty .... this person is intentionally flamebaiting... just ignore him/her/it
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:11 PM by Texas Hill Country
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:14 PM
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84. self delete
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:23 PM by bigtree
*sigh*
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:54 AM
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69. Let me guess
You're not the pledged delegate that switched from Hillary to Obama? I think it's safe to assume that. I guess now I understand some of your grief and anger. :rofl:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:59 AM
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71. no 'grief and anger' here. I know that'll disappoint you. You look to be feeding off of frustration
. . . some folks may feel from this long campaign.

But, I'm here to tell you that yours is just a fools game. And, I understand.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:15 AM
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46. Hubris on wheels
Didn't you get the memo?

Tuesday is an "important" day in the campaign, according to campaign manager David Plouffe, but not a determinative one. "We are definitely not going to declare victory," Plouffe added. "We have to get to 2025" (i.e. the simple majority of delegates needed to claim the nomination outright).


link
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:05 PM
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76. like I said, you completely missed the fucking point of a thread like this.
It wasn't posted as some platform for your petty arguments, or, for your petty ridicule.

You seem lonely.
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splat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:42 AM
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16. Another scold for Obama
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:56 AM
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28. "Time to start acting like one" and its past time for you to grow up.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:57 AM
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29. The pain and misery are almost over
I commend Senator Clinton on her hard-fought campaign. Looking forward to her campaigning her heart out for Obama before she returns to her senatorial duties. :rofl:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:12 PM
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82. thank you for your insight, we are all much better off now.
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:11 AM
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43. Does "growing up" involve the name-calling you've participated in, in this very thread?
I doubt it.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:36 AM
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55. drop the rude behavior to positive DU treads and we will all get along better. Bye.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:05 PM
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74. Who died and appointed you Thread Monitor? (Did you fail as a Hall Monitor?)
:eyes:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:12 PM
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81. that's my bud. Rodeo has my back on this thread. What's your problem with that?
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:13 PM by bigtree
Did you come on here to make trouble as well? No enough bullshit elsewhere for you to join in on? You see this innocuous thread about Clinton's campaign events and you see an opportunity to muck it up. That's just so inspiring. It certainly gives you all the credibility and standing you need to begin lecturing other posters on their DU etiquette. By all means, destroy this thread TahitiNut with more pointless bickering. Impressive.
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:13 PM
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83. wtf is your deal... have you seen the other comments this person has made in here?
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:05 PM
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75. So stating what the OP withholds is "rude behavior"?
Well, then, get used to it.
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:34 AM
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8. There was more than enough divisiveness in Hillary's speech...
if you want to portray it as a love-in, I have every right to clear that up with the FACTS of what was said.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:37 AM
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11. Preach it!
Now THAT'S what I'm talking about. Stop all this spin trying to portray Hillary as only a positive influence this campaign season.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:39 AM
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13. just like a school-yard bully-coming back with more crap.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:48 AM
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20. The pain is almost over
You won't have to bear the calls for Hillary to drop out for too much longer. :rofl:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:10 PM
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91. you do realize that it is people like you that divide the party, right?
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:49 AM
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22. Are you denying she said that, or are insults just your default response?
Edited on Mon May-19-08 10:49 AM by sfaprog
Aren't you the Hilbot running around telling Obama supporters to be nice and not post negative things? That's pretty rich.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:54 AM
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27. Have respect for the OP please. Start your own thread if you want to smear her.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:02 AM
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32. Stop your baseless attacks on Obama supporters
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:39 AM
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59. One thing about bully behavior. They keep coming back and look more foolish. I will not
be responding to your rude behavior any more. bye
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:44 AM
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63. Hallelujah!
Glad we can finally agree on this. Now if you could just get Hillary to drop out too, that'd be great. :rofl:

Time to take on McCain. He's gotten a free pass long enough! :patriot:
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:02 AM
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33. Great move - insult somebody, then demand their respect
:rofl:

I have no respect for the OP because it is a clear one-sided distortion of what was actually said.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:37 AM
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57. "I have no respect for the OP" I got that message by your bully tactics. Bye
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:06 PM
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77. So stating what is withheld in the OP is "bully tactics"?
Get used to it.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:46 AM
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64. actually, at least one of the articles makes clear that the attacks on Obama were muted and rare
It's actually your own interpretation which is at odds with the facts recognized by those who were there to report on the events. Her recitation of the old argument about the popular vote is certainly no slam at Obama, no matter what side you take in that. And the only other reference she actually made to Obama at all was in her DEFENSE of her gas tax proposal.

It's your strained attempt to criticize the remarks made at these Kentucky events which is a cheap. opportunistic distortion . . . made, it appears, in a juvenile attempt to poke at a Clinton supporter and express your ridicule with your little cartoon characters. Not very 'intellectual' at all. Just shitstirring.
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LaurenG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:17 PM
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85. I am going to give you that Senator Clinton did say some rude things
and the media played them over and over again. I think we agree on that. The fact that she is defending herself over her opinions is also OK with me.

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Lucky 13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:40 AM
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61. Don't assault their fragile little minds with FACTS!!!
You know that's just not fair.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 09:51 PM
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102. not to worry. Facts go right over your head so I will not even try
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:41 AM
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15. Have you noticed that the MATURE obama fans say thank you??
Edited on Mon May-19-08 10:46 AM by rodeodance
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:50 AM
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24. More name-calling, eh?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:52 AM
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26. posters act like bullies I will call you out. And you keep comming back looking more FOOLISH
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:03 AM
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35. You're hilarious :-)
I guess I would be delusional too if I knew that my "opponent" would be declaring victory tomorrow. :rofl:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:11 PM
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92. that's it... keep pushing... people like you guarantee migration to McCain
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:05 AM
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37. I point out facts not included in the OP, and that's bullying?
To bully is to not respond to the posters info and resorting to childish name-calling, like you are doing.

But please, continue to insult me while ignoring my comments and insist I'm a bully, that's sure to win people over :eyes:
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:04 AM
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36. rodeodance is just jealous
because it flushed money down the toilet, straight into Hillary's coffers :rofl:
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:02 AM
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34. stop attacking Obama fans
grow up already
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:32 AM
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6. Thank you, bigtree
Excellent job and a big ol' K&R for this thread.

:hi:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:09 AM
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40. you're very welcome, theHandpuppet
:hi:
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helderheid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:33 AM
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7. K&R
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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:36 AM
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10. "HILLARY IS OUR WONDER WOMAN"
I love the photos! B-)

I love to read about Hillary hammering John McCain's policies! B-)

I'm glad all these folks shredded the memo from the Obama campaign about the race being over already! ;-)
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:10 AM
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42. wonder woman . . . hilarious!
the stuff that comes from the trail . . .
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:38 AM
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12. Thanks very much, bigtree!


That's a wonderful photo!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:43 AM
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17. Nice positive thread BigTree. thank you once again.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:58 AM
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31. no prob
there just isn't enough arguing in other threads for some folks.

(I almost bit down all the way on the hooks dangling in this one. It's just not worth it.)
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:43 AM
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18. Well, at least she got the ethanol part right
:)

Clinton said she's troubled that sport utility vehicles get worse gas mileage than the original Model T, which ran on ethanol.

"You know what it ran on, it ran on moonshine, it had more power and went further and had more kick than what we see in our cars today," she said.




The Model T had a front mounted, 177 in³ (2.9 L) four-cylinder en bloc motor (that is, all four in one block, as common now, rather than in individual castings, as common then) producing 20.2 hp (15 kW) for a top speed of 40-45 mph (72 km/h). The small four cylinder engine was known for its L heads. According to Ford Motor, the Model T had fuel economy on the order of 13 to 21 mpg (5 to 9 kilometres per litre or 11.1 to 18.7 litres per 100 km).<13> The engine was capable of running on gasoline or ethanol,<14> though the decreasing cost of gasoline and the later introduction of Prohibition in the United States made ethanol an impractical fuel.
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:48 AM
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21. Thank You....
Great post!!!

K&R

:kick:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:13 AM
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45. my joy, cricket
. . . wishing you a wonderful day
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:33 AM
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52. ...and back to you, Bigtree
a wonderful day!!!
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:51 AM
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25. Great Job bigtree!!! K&R
:toast:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:21 AM
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47. I'm just a speck in the universe
. . .and lovin' it! :hi:
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:58 AM
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30. thank you for a great post!
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:06 AM
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39. wonderful post, thank you!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:23 AM
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48. The folks she meets along the way make these campaign moments precious
glad I can share them with you.

(Kudos to the local reporters and photographers)
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:13 PM
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93. definitely... the pics are gorgeous!
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damonm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:10 AM
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41. Well done...
...and this from an Obama supporter.
Though, had Clinton campaigned like THIS from the beginning, I may have been in her corner.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:24 AM
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49. Im suprised neither of the candidates have mentioned
industrial hump while in kentucky.

would be a good way to win those farmers.

*shrugs*
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:33 AM
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53. it's a shame that we can't establish that no one can get high from the 'industrial' stuff
. . . and get us back to developing the hemp market again.
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:36 AM
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56. So Repukes could declare the Dems as soft on drugs?
They already distort the Dem platform when it comes to social help as it is. No need to give them any fodder.
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:44 AM
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62. you cant get high off industrial hemp.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 11:46 AM by iamthebandfanman
that just hasta be pointed out.

i mean, drugs are already going to be an issue regardless... theyll bring up everybodys past drug use and Obama has even said that marijuana should be decriminalised.
so, itll get brought up regardless.

oh, just wanted to add that my family owned the oldest family run textile mill in kentucky until a couple of years ago(had to close down).
if industrial hemp had been allowed, it would still be a booming business probably.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:49 AM
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67. they just haven't been able to establish that fact enough to make it politically doable.
I keep waiting for our society to mature, but it ends up being just me who's 'maturing'
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hokies4ever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:51 AM
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68. and Obama isn't a Muslim
yet ~12% of Americans says he is in polls. Fact is, you can show some voters the exact truth, but their preconceptions will cloud their judgment. Unless people know specifically about industrial hemp, they'll assume it's just a massive way to get high. :rofl:
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iwearshoesinky Donating Member (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 10:00 PM
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103. I think that some farmers in our state could be swayed by full legalization of industrial hemp
and marijuana. Don't we consistently rank in the top three for illicit marijuana production?
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JohnnyLib2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:48 AM
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65. Thank you from Kentucky.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:00 PM
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72. whoo hoo, JohnnyLib!
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:01 PM by bigtree
:kick::woohoo::bounce:
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:18 PM
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86. Great post, and nice to read about largely positive campaigning
I can't help seeing a little irony in her mention that the model T ran on moonshine, but what the hell, it's a party.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:20 PM
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88. we're going to have a unified party
It's good to see both campaigns preparing for that eventuality.
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Spooky_D Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:19 PM
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87. Good Post & Good On Your Candidate...
...for giving it to the rethuglicans!

From an Obama supporter to you, here's to a united party sooner than later.:toast:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:05 PM
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89. kick
:kick:
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:09 PM
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90. x2 Thank you.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:17 PM
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94. you're welcome, emilyg
thank you for your steadfast support of our democratic process :hi:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:08 PM
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95. :kick:
:kick:
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:18 PM
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96. Another nice, positive thread
with high comedy from the crowd that gets all mad about these things. :rofl:

Well done. :thumbsup:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:22 PM
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97. you never see a mass of Clinton folks causing trouble on my Obama threads
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:08 PM
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98. Looks like Obama peeps are letting that one sink
Their ways can be rather mysterious. :dilemma:
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:12 PM
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99. there's a few frustrated folks on both sides
rather predictable, to me.
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Lilith Velkor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:30 PM
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100. Maybe after the primaries, this forum should be renamed GD: Pugilists
It would probably be the most-visited one on this site, since so many people are only online to play the dozens. I don't fault them for that; it's a fairly innocuous way to relieve stress.
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 08:42 PM
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101. Thanks for the pics and story, Bigtree!
Always nice to see positive posts.

I did not realize SUVs get worse mileage than the Model T. Hmmm. I just saw on CNN that gas is $4.07 a gallon in Chicago. Is this pretty typical across the US? (I'm living in Korea right now so have no idea except what gas sells for on the army base) I bet having an SUV sucks right now. I used to have one but it got pretty good mileage.
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