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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:11 AM
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Ferraro Says She Might NOT Vote For "Terribly Sexist" Obama
Gender Issue Lives On as Clinton’s Hopes Dim

Published: May 19, 2008
(Page 2 of 2)

Some even accuse Mr. Obama of chauvinism, pointing to the time he called Mrs. Clinton “likeable enough” as evidence of dismissiveness. Nancy Wait, 55, a social worker in Columbia City, Ind., said Mr. Obama was far less qualified than Mrs. Clinton and described as condescending his recent assurances that Mrs. Clinton should stay in the race as long as she liked. Ms. Wait said she would “absolutely, positively not” vote for him come fall.

Ms. Ferraro, who clashed with the Obama campaign about whether she made a racially offensive remark, said she might not either. “I think Obama was terribly sexist,” she said.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/19/us/politics/19women.html?_r=2&pagewanted=2&hp&oref=slogin

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:13 AM
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1. someone else posted a Ferraro sexist thread earlier today
its expected to hear this crap, she works for Fox.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:14 AM
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2. They don't even care if it's Hillary.
As long as it was a woman, that's all that mattered.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:33 AM
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9. And many are voting for Obama because of race and that is acceptable? Feh.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:41 AM
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18. bitter over john much?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:42 AM
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19. Can't address the issue can you?
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:17 PM
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35. still making constructive contributions i see...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:50 AM
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24. Perhaps you might aquaint yourself with some recent political history.
AA voters have long shown that they support white candidates- not just at the presidential level, either. At the beginning of this race, AA voters overwhelmingly preferred Clinton. She was familiar to them. It wasn't until they got to know Obama better and until he won Iowa that that dynamic began to change. In addition, please remember that AAs are more against the Iraq War than any other ethnic group. They were from the beginning. Hillary voted for the IWR and supported it for years. Obama opposed it. That's obviously a factor. And then there was the employment of the Southern Strategy by the Clinton Camp....
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:05 PM
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26. It wasn't until Obama starting proving he could win in white states
that black voters started backing him in large numbers. What the black vote most certainly is loyal to is the Democratic Party. Our party gets 90%+ of the african american vote every election. African americans want, just like the rest of us here at DU, a Democratic Party victory in november. We all desperately want that. If one of their own can bring that to the table, of course they are going to go with him. Every ethnic group reacts in a similar fashion: if one of their own has a clear shot at going all the way, they are going to tend to back that candidate. This non-issue is just one more distraction from the Clinton end-game. What matters now is beating McCain.
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:23 PM
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86. African-American AMEN.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:19 PM
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37. AA voters were on Hillary's side at the beginning.
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:20 PM by Starbucks Anarchist
And AA voters didn't vote anywhere near 90% for Sharpton, Jackson, etc.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:46 PM
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53. Seriously, saracat, weren't you supposed to be leaving DU a while ago?
I thought you said you were. You are becoming increasingly meanspirited. I haven't put you on ignore because you amuse me but I may have to do it.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:54 PM
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69. Ah! Speaks the Queen of meanspiritness! My DU Vacation ended, thank you.
I am saddened you didn't notice its length! I will leave when I choose to leave , not at any time dicatated by you.:sarcasm:


Please, put me in ignore.You will, like Barabara Bush, perserve your "beautiful mind" from unpleasnt thoughts that do not agree with your own!
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #53
109. Are you trying to win an award for rudeness??
Is it really necessary to tell another Democrat to leave DU?
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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:31 PM
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91. It really is time...
...you plain old got over yourself. Seriously.

What the hell happened to you? :(
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:41 PM
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93. What a condescending, sexist -- and foolish -- remark.
There was nothing in that article to suggest that "all that mattered" to Clinton's female supporters is that she's a woman.

What you posted there is equivalent to suggesting that "all that matters" to AA voters who voted for Obama is that his father was black.

Of course it's easier for you to try to dismiss people if you oversimplify like that.

But it's a good way to alienate Clinton's supporters, whose votes Obama will need to win the GE.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 10:14 AM
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125. I didn't say *all* of her female supporters, just those like the ones in the article:
But the response may have been more powerful than the injury. In the days after Mrs. Clinton was criticized for misting up on the campaign trail, she won the New Hampshire primary and drew a wave of donations, many from women expressing indignation about how she had been treated.

And Mrs. Clinton seemed to channel the lives of regular women, who often saw her as an avenging angel. Take Judith Henry, 67, for whom Mrs. Clinton’s primary losses stirred decades-old memories of working at a phone company where women were not allowed to hold management positions. “They always gave us the clerical jobs and told us we didn’t have families to support,” she said.At a rally last month in Bloomington, Ind., she sat with her daughter Susan Henry, 45, a warehouse worker, who complained that her male colleagues did less work and made more money than the women did.

Decades after the dissolution of movement feminism, Mrs. Clinton’s events and donor lists filled with women who had experienced insult or isolation on the job.Moitri Chowdhury Savard, 36, a doctor in Queens, was once asked by a supervisor why she was not home cooking for her husband; Liz Kuoppala, 37, of Eveleth, Minn., worked as the only woman in her mining crew and is now the only woman on the City Council.

Ms. Kamarck, 57, the Harvard professor and a longtime adviser to Democratic candidates, said she was still incredulous about the time her colleagues on Walter F. Mondale’s presidential campaign, all men, left for lunch without inviting her — because, she later discovered, they were headed to a strip club.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:16 AM
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3. A whole lot of people didn't vote for her and her clown running mate in 1984



God this still makes me crack up.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:18 AM
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5. Ah, now Mondale's a "clown"
Why should I believe that Obama fans are good democrats?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:32 AM
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8. Because we're voting for the dem nominee.
Unlike that racist Ferraro.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:39 AM
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16. Well you're wrong on lots of things there
She didn't say she wasn't voting for Obama - in fact, there's no quote showing WHAT she said. And she's not a racist.

But even if you think that, why is Mondale a clown? Why the hate?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:44 AM
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21. Ferraro's certainly a racist.

The fact that she's even considering voting for McCain makes her a racist, and a lousy dem, ignoring her racist comments from earlier in the season.

I don't know if Mondale's a clown or not. Never met the guy.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:06 PM
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27. Where does it say she's considering voting for McCain?
Frankly, without a quote, this whole discussion is pointless.
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:44 PM
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82. Hair-splittingly irrelevant point.
She says she might not vote for the Democratic candidate if it is Obama. Do the math.
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Medusa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:16 AM
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4. I don't give a damn what Ferraro thinks, says, or does.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:39 AM
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15. Ferraro is a Faux Noise Consultant -are we getting the Ferraro shits today?
second thread about Ferraro. Give us a break.

There ought to be a rule about duplicate threads in GDP, like there is
in breaking news.
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O.M.B.inOhio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:29 AM
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6. Ah, she supports McCain, then, the man who called his wife the C-word?
That's much better than "likable enough."
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bkcc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:31 AM
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7. Oh no! That's it! Stop the presses!
If Ferraro isn't voting for Obama, it's game over!

:eyes:
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SoxFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:34 AM
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10. Was Nancy Wait a Biden or Richardson supporter?
Edited on Mon May-19-08 11:34 AM by BlueDogDemocratNH
If not, it's time for her to STFU, because her "experience" argument is a load of hooey.

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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:35 AM
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11. Ferraro has become a crazy old cat lady
She's completely lost her mind.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:18 PM
Response to Reply #11
36. She's the embodiment of most HRC supporters from what I can tell.
Older? Check

Bitter? Check

White? Check

Ignorant? Check

Woman? Check
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:30 AM
Response to Reply #36
123. So..are you really trying to bring the party together? You're pushing for the opposite.
What is your purpose here?
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:07 AM
Response to Reply #123
124. Pointing out the obvious? Anyone that buys into Ferraro and Veruca's bullshit is a fucking idiot
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knixphan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:25 PM
Response to Reply #11
88. indeed!
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:37 AM
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12. Vagina monologue " I'll only vote Clinton, or I vote for No One!"
"especially not an "uppity" black man, who is only where he is via Affimative Action!"
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #12
17. now this thread is heading for DUZY awards
someone contact the DUZY guy
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #12
40. Wow. Another sexist remark. flipped to racism. How rare to see on DU !
:sarcasm:
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Here, have a hanky.....n/t
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:52 PM
Response to Reply #12
66. Hey, no one suffers in this country like wealthy white women do.
I mean, sometimes the maid is late! :sarcasm:
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:37 AM
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13. Ferraro is a joke. Nuf said.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:38 AM
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14. Ferraro is scum.
She makes me sick and I find no common cause with her. Just because the is a female... so fucking what? So is Condi. If Ferraro does not stop this shit, she might as well be on the RNC payroll. Maybe she is. Who knows.

She and the other members of the Hillary campaign should get over themselves. Otherwise, I cannot WAIT to see the financial campaign that those who obstruct the party will face. I will gladly contribute money to oust every single person holding office who assists in this bullshit.

does she really think all females were so thrilled with her campaign?

GET A CLUE, Ferraro-istas. Hillary would never draw a crowd of 75k. She's not the nominee.

get over it.



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WA98296 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:43 AM
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20. HRC should DENOUNCE Ferraro, this is disgusting.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:02 PM
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25. Should Barack Denounce Michelle then for saying she would have to 'think " about voting for Hillary
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:02 PM by saracat
or does the double standard still apply?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #25
30. she said she'd have to think about working for
Sen Clinton, not about voting for her. But you already knew that.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:32 PM
Response to Reply #30
39. Facts often get in the way of their blind hatred of Michelle
For people claiming to be so progressive to women, Hillary supporters sure want to keep Michelle quiet
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:38 PM
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42. Here are your "facts" the exact quote as follows from GMA
ROBERTS: So what if Senator Clinton defeats her husband, becoming the first woman nominee. Could you see yourself working to support the first woman nomination?

OBAMA: I'd have to think about that. I'd have to think about that, her policies, her approach, her tone.

ROBERTS: That's not a given?

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #42
44. That proves what tishaLA said
It's about if Michelle Obama would work for Hillary not vote for her.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:43 PM
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47. She never said she wouldn't vote for her as you claimed
the word "work" jumps right out of that quote. My question, do you think Bill will work for Obama?
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:48 PM
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57. I misquoted but it is what she "inferred"' or does that only work for your side?
As in Jesse jackson won SC" infers "racism" on Bill Clinton's part?
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tishaLA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #57
74. I'm guessing you really mean "implied"
But she implied no such thing. She was asked a direct question about working for the junior Senator from NY. She said she'd have to think about it. There was no question about voting for her.

Michelle, a Harvard-educated lawyer, knows the difference between the two questions. Any notion that she was really answering another is a strange inference (that's the word being used correctly) on any reader's part.
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muryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #57
75. I think his comments were in poor taste
I never thought of them as openly racist though.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #42
50. Working to support the first woman nomination
Those are the operative words. No where in their does it say or imply that she wouldn't vote for her.
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Raineyb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #20
71. That won't happen.
Only black people have to denounce surrogates or people with whom they've never agreed but happen to support their candidacy.

Regards
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:45 AM
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22. How can she say she is a good Democrat
if she says she won't vote for him if he is the Democratic nominee?

Hey, I still think Kucinich is the one for President, but I'm voting for WHOEVER the Democrats nominate. I thought that is what Democrats do, especially those who have held political office and have some influence over others.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:47 AM
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23. Yet More Vote Against Obama Because He's Black
vs voting against Hillary because she's a woman.




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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #23
29. I don't know about that, but clearly she took the campaign politics very personally
Too bad.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:09 PM
Response to Original message
28. Awww. Feraro thinks her opinion matters.
Cute.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:14 PM
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31. Oh boy, Gerry better start wearing a bullet proof vest.
She's going to get clobbered......

:eyes:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #31
59. Thank you Beacool for admitting what she said was stupid
:D
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #31
115. We're not the Mafia.
And I'm sure she knows that.

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:14 PM
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32. No one cares, Geraldine..stay home..vote Mccain..whatever
It's amusing, in a pathetic way, how an daft old woman can spout racist language, and then scream sexism when she's called on it..:)..as if she would have gotten a gold star for her statements, if ONLY she had been a man :rofl:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:15 PM
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33. Ferraro is pot banger incarnate
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:17 PM by anonymous171
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burythehatchet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:16 PM
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34. Geez Gerry, you sure are tempting fate aren't you? Hope you make it to election day.
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Endangered Specie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:20 PM
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38. Yeah, cause shes *such* an expert at winning elections!
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:36 PM
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41. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:41 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. I'd delete that remark RIGHT NOW if I were you.
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myrna minx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #41
46. I'm an Obama supporter and find your comment to be horrendous.
:puke:
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:44 PM
Response to Reply #41
48. Delete that comment
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:44 PM by Cali_Democrat
Not helpful
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:46 PM
Response to Reply #41
52. That's a terrible thing to say
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #41
60. " Did I say that out loud??" and you are proud of saying it. figures coming from you!


. Ferraro should be kicked in the cunt..
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #41
61. Delete that shit now.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #41
62. That's just disgusting, Bensthename
you should be ashamed.
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #41
63. As an Obama supporter, that is terrible language to use.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #41
64. So long, auf wiedersehen, adieu, happy trails
Edited on Mon May-19-08 12:54 PM by kenny blankenship
It's still here. Incredible. The mods must be visiting other dimensions.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #41
68. Dude...don't help. n/t
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reflection Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #41
70. Stay classy. n/t
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Catherina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:08 PM
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72. !!!!!!!!!!! I'm horrified. That's VILE. What a shameful comment. n/t
Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:09 PM by Catherina
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:09 PM
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73. alerted as flamebait
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:42 PM
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81. That's so over the top it's suspicious.
Fits the plan though. Come clean dude.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:57 PM
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83. That's disgusting and uncalled for
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:44 PM
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49. You know what Mrs. Ferraro? My birds behave better and I mean it
stomping feet at this point is only fit for a three year old and you know HOW this works...

Time to line up behind the candidate or I mean it, leave the party
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:45 PM
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51. I will not vote for TERRIBLY RACIST Ferraro.
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:52 PM
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65. Too late. Everybody already didn't vote for her twenty-four years ago.n/t
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:33 PM
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79. crap! the email probably went to my spam folder
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Brundle_Fly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:47 PM
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54. isn't this self defeatist?
Cynthia Ruccia, 55, a sales director for Mary Kay cosmetics in Columbus, Ohio, is organizing a group, Clinton Supporters Count Too, of mostly women in swing states who plan to campaign against Mr. Obama in November. “We, the most loyal constituency, are being told to sit down, shut up and get to the back of the bus,” she said.

good for them, their candidate loses and they decide to work against all women to prove a falsehood...
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:47 PM
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55. And thats why you lost when it was your turn miss.
Fucking numbnuts
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:47 PM
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56. The funniest was when Clinton supporting DUers said "periodically" was sexist! BWAHAHAHA!!!
:rofl:
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renie408 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:49 PM
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58. You do get that is the equivalent of the 'have you stopped beating your wife' question...right?
There is no way Obama can win if he is asked about how he feels about Hillary staying in the race. If he says she should stay in as long as she likes...he is dismissive. If he says she should get out...he is arrogant and telling her what to do.

At this point people either like Obama or they don't and they are grasping at whatever they can find to support their position. Like the opinions of 55 year old social workers from Indiana.
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Bread and Circus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 12:53 PM
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67. Saying Obama is sexist is just plain dumb.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:15 PM
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76. "When she gets upset
out come the claws"......No....not sexist in the LEAST! :sarcasm:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:44 PM
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112. Is this mountain lion male or female?
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 08:21 PM
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126. If an animal actually has claws
or not is not the issue....When was the last time you heard anyone talk about a man's "claws" coming out? When was the last time you heard about a man being "catty"?

It is a sexist remark....Just like the "sweety" remark to the reporter for which he had to apologize.
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CakeGrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:16 PM
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77. So, will Hillary denounce this in the spirit of "Unity"
or will she use the threat of these lost votes to extort her way onto the ticket?

Doesn't look good for her either way. If she doesn't get on board with party unity, she should lose a lot of her clout in Washington.

If she tries to extort her way onto the ticket with all her negatives, which is another way of pretty much saying "If I can't have it, I'm taking you down with me", she deserves the same outcome.

She is NOT losing because of sexism, but she's sure played her followers into beating that drum despite the fact that she ran a dirty, financially irresponsible, poorly planned campaign and lost the strategic battle.

She's toxic.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:27 PM
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78. Wow she must really like McCain and the names he calls his wife
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 01:40 PM
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80. Their weak-assed plan is soooooo OBVIOUS.
Talk about playing cards, this takes the cake. Of course it will fail too.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:15 PM
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84. Excellent article!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lynda-obst/women-of-my-ge...

<snip>
What about my generation's desperation that there will never be another female candidate? Why? Is our gender about to die out? Do you all know something I don't? I can understand the 80-year-olds, I guess. But to me, Hillary Clinton is merely the first credible candidate, and the most flawed. And the only one not to rise on her own coattails, which is the real reason she doesn't appeal to both me and many young, yes, in their own way, feminists. And what about Claire McCaskill? She's great! And she just emerged this year! Why do we act like Hillary is our last great chance? How damaged and pathetic. I see fantastic women in their 30s all the time. To wit, Chelsea's undamaged generation. Not polarizing, like us ceiling crashers. I can sympathize, I am, too.

<snip>
And another thing. And I am not even going to get into how nutty her relationship is, and no, I don't want two for one. Al Gore didn't then, and I don't now. And it looked pretty ugly on the campaign trail so far. Anyway. This whole thing about being vetted: what's the hold up on her White House transcripts? Why withhold tax records, info on fundraising at the presidential library? Somehow I fear something lurking there in the bushes, pardon.

And one last thing. What I saw that ugly week with Tex/Ohio, was a woman yelling, shrieking, mocking, changing her strategy every day. I can understand the desperation, but I can't understand smart women mistaking that for strength. When she said shame on you, I was ashamed. Does that make me a sexist? Since I am her peer and a woman? No, I wanted her to be strong but consistent, not lose her cool at 3 a.m. The way Senator Obama had behaved all week.

And now she is the killer of Hope. (It was just too delusional to manage). We are not that multi-racial post-oppression society that shocked the world and for a moment was its wonder. We are, thanks to Hillary's kitchen sink and staff, the same old America they thought we were. The racially charged, fractured America Bush & Rush left us with that Obama has the prescription to heal. The one that attracted us original believers during his miraculous 2004 convention speech then swept 11 primaries in a row and apparently had to be stopped (thanks, SNL). We are the broken polarized America she wants to rule, will to anything to rule.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:27 PM
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90. You are right.
I liked what she had to say. This is a strange moment in American politics. We have a long way to go to get to November and I hope the Dems can reconcile enough to win the White House. It's ripe for the taking.

I wish Hillary had run a better campaign and not put us in this position. She has taken this too far IMHO, and I don't know where it will lead but I fear it is not a happy place.
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Liberal_Stalwart71 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:17 PM
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85. She played the race card, didn't work; So now she's trying the sexism card?
Look, here's the bottom line:

Ferraro was selected to become the first woman VP candidate. She was selected primarily because she's a woman. How do I know this? It's because Ferraro has had a lackluster political career. She lost 2 runs for the U.S. Senate and spent a total of 6 years in the U.S. House of Representatives.

Comparing her legislative experience with that of BOTH Hillary and Obama, she has 6 years to Hillary's 6 years in the Senate and Barack's 11+ years in the Illinois State Senate, not to mention his grassroots level community involvement.

Here's an interesting article from Conason that sums up my thoughts quite nicely because it focuses on her record, not emotionally biased sentiment.

Read:

Why Geraldine Ferraro still needs to apologize

To fully grasp why her remarks about Obama were so outrageous, take another look at her record in Congress.

By Joe Conason

http://www.salon.com/opinion/conason/2008/03/14/ferraro... /



Former vice-presidential candidate Geraldine Ferraro addresses the Women's Summit at Bryant University in North Smithfield, R.I., March 13, 2008.

Ferraro's three terms in Congress produced little in the way of legislation -- again unlike Obama, whose single term in the Senate has seen him mark several milestones, in particular a landmark ethics reform package. That wasn't the kind of thing that Ferraro would have supported back when she was in the House, since she prided herself on cuddling up to the leadership rather than challenging the status quo in any way. She was an ordinary pork-chopper, but her personality and determination won over Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill, then the House speaker. It was the late O'Neill, a fine man in many ways, who made the mistake of recommending her to Walter F. Mondale as a vice-presidential prospect in 1984. The worthy but lackluster Democrat from Minnesota was seeking to spice up his candidacy with a different kind of running mate, and considered several potential female and African-American nominees before settling on Ferraro.

The female running mate was a clever gambit that the Democrats executed very poorly. As inspiring as the Ferraro story was when she took the stage at the July 1984 convention in San Francisco, her nomination turned out to be unhelpful to the Democratic ticket, which lost 49 states to the incumbent Republicans, President Ronald Reagan and Vice President George H.W. Bush. Circumstances were generally unfavorable to Mondale, whose own inept campaigning made matters still worse, but the initial euphoria over the first woman on a major party ticket evaporated as soon as the press took a closer look at her background.

As Village Voice investigative reporter Wayne Barrett later revealed, the Republican oppo researchers knew much that Mondale evidently didn't about Ferraro and her family's connections with organized crime, dating back at least two generations, and how she had personally profited from those unsavory bonds. (Barrett and William Bastone continued to report on those links for the Voice when Ferraro ran for the Senate in 1992, discovering literally dozens of contributions and deals that involved the worst thugs in New York.)

To Ferraro, reports of her husband's criminal associations proved only the "anti-Italian" bias of the press. Her claims of ignorance about her husband's real estate business -- he rented space in lower Manhattan to a Mob porn operation and a Chinese sweatshop, among many other questionable deals -- were not entirely plausible, since she was an officer of his company and shared office space with him. There were tax problems, too, and despite a spirited performance at a press conference where she evaded as many questions as she answered, her image never quite recovered before Election Day.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:24 PM
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87. Y'all're Just Jealous
Of Ferraro's use of adverbs.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:26 PM
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89. Does she sound...bitter?-nt
Edited on Mon May-19-08 02:27 PM by 4themind
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:36 PM
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92. Bitter and possibly senile. nt
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wvbygod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 02:52 PM
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94. A trend is starting
Many women are starting to see that the attacks on Hillary were unjustified
and not representative of true democratic values. They just may refuse to vote
for the cadre that attacked her.
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Bensthename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:06 PM
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95. Ferraro is a sexist cry baby..
Why would she even imply something like that?

What a fucking _ _ _ _ _...
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:12 PM
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96. geraldine sweetie, you vote for whoever you wish, hear that?
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:17 PM
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97. she's not the only one; personally, it's being called a racist and having hillary called a bitch tha
that kind of put me off.
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democrattotheend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:21 PM
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98. Did Obama do either of those things?
For that matter, did anyone on his payroll call Clinton supporters racist or call Hillary a bitch?

Note that when Samantha Powers called her a monster she was fired...that to me sends a message that Obama does not tolerate those kinds of attacks.
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soaplover20012001 Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:21 PM
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99. wow sexist
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:26 PM
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100. Are we sure she didn't say "terribly sexy"?
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:32 PM
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101. Obama comes off as
cocky and arrogant some of the time. I see that. As a woman it doesn't threaten me. Having Mark Penn as your adviser threatens me. Language is the least of my worries-though I know the gentle flowers here on DU think I'm the anti-christ because I don't buy their p.c. language police bullshit. All the calling for apologizing and political correctness is the death knell of the Democratic party and actually getting anything DONE-I love his arrogance. A DEM THAT WON'T BACK DOWN.

SAVE MY RIGHTS. Call me sugar tits if you must Mr. Obama but protect the environment, protect my children from another war, and save Roe.v. Wade and oh yeah social security-my tits are drooping.

Get a spine people. This isn't the playground and your tender feelings. This is a war. A country and a planet is dying. SAVE THIS country-if you have to call me sweetie I think I'll live.

It's the uhempimizers and the propagandists that are the ones that kill us. Clear skies anyone? Pro-life. On and on. OR I know let John McCain win because you are offended. I am offended that your p.c. bullshit is more important than my child dying from the next war. SORRY.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:32 PM
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102. Fortunately for all of us, the terribly racist Ferraro isn't running for anything
So there is no need to vote against her.

I'm sorry, but dismissing Obama as some kind of unqualified beneficiary of affirmative action is racist.

Mrs. Clinton has her own faults, and a record to which to point that includes inexcusable votes supporting Bush's stupid foreign policy. That, not the presence of a couple of things up there or the lack of something down below, is why I did not support her candidacy for the Democratic Party's presidential nomination.

I look forward to supporting a woman for president some day, but that woman will not be Hillary Clinton.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:34 PM
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105. But if we're lucky, McCain will choose her as his running mate
Landslide
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:47 PM
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108. No, it will be a landslide if . . .
. . . McCain names Terry McAuliffe as a senior advisor to his campaign.

The Democrats should be so lucky.
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TheDonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:33 PM
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103. FUCK OFF FERRARO
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:34 PM
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104. Ignore this nonsense. First Obama is only where he is because he is black
not hes a sexist. This is a joke.

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LowerManhattanite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:37 PM
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106. Speaking as a New Yorker...
,,,from what I have heard around town, she has SO trashed what remained of her legacy here (in the mold of Bella Abzug, Shirley Chisholm, and Liz Holtzman) that this statement is basically a scorched-earth, “I don't care any more” bit of end-game griefer-ism.

What a sad, bitter thing she has become.

Adieu, Gerry. We'll miss you like salted knives to the gut.
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still_one Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 03:45 PM
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107. any Clinton supporter who won't vote for the Democratic nominee in the GE is an idiot
Edited on Mon May-19-08 03:46 PM by still_one
in fact I would suggest that those that take that position,do not even care about the issues Clinton stands for, but are playing a sexist game themselves

if they cannot see the difference between any Democratic candidate verses mccain. They are hopeless people who can't think logically

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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:35 PM
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110. Like we ever expected you to vote for a Black Man, Geraldine. Everyone knows you are a racist.
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stratomagi Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:36 PM
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111. Are you sure she didn't say
"terribly sexy?" A secret unfulfilled crush on him may be why she's so hostile.
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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:46 PM
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113. Sour grapes.
So who will she actually vote for? McCain? Barr?
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Hieronymus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 04:56 PM
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114. Ms. Ferraro is the sexist.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:21 PM
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116. Obama > Geraldine.
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haymakeragain Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:21 PM
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117. "Terribly sexy Obama"? OMG, she's hot for him.
How vexing.
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kevinbgoode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:22 PM
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118. Well all-righty then, Geraldine. You go and vote for McSame,
who apparently has endeared himself to you by calling his wife the "c" word. . .
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:33 PM
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119. she`s old and in the way...
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last1standing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 05:42 PM
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120. What do we do when a hero stops fighting for justice?
Geraldine Ferraro was a hero to many of us as the first woman to run for the Vice Presidency in 1984. She stood for feminism and equality, two wonderful goals.

Sadly, she is now reduced to bitterness and vindictiveness.

Another hero as fallen.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:07 PM
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121. who gives a rat's ass what the long lost sister of the California Raisins thinks?
she was looking to hillary to live out her dream vicariously, and it's over.
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Why Syzygy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-19-08 11:10 PM
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122. And McClone isn't a repulsive facist pig.
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