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Mon May-19-08 01:44 PM
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It's Clear: Hillary IS Waiting for Something Terrible To Happen To Obama. |
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But that is not why she is staying in this race. It's clear she can not win at this point. There simply are not enough delegates for her to win. She has gone far beyond the Huckabee Index. Any good candidate seeking to allow the Democratic Party to move forward into the General Election would concede at this point. But she and her own campaign have said it too many times now: they are staying in because something terrible or disastrous can happen to Obama. What could happen? Another scandal? Unlikely. I would like to ask them exactly what then. Let them spell it out for us in clear language. McCauliff is quoted as smiling with an "Absolutely" when Russert questioned him with an "Act of God". I'd really like to hear what terrible disaster they are dreaming of.
And even if something did happen, Clinton does not need to end her campaign. Like Edwards, she could do the right thing and merely suspend it, allowing the party to move forward with a "presumptive nominee". If the disastrous thing they are considering did happen, she could resume and then she would be the presumptive nominee. And she would win. With dignity. And without dividing the party further.
Instead, she and Bill are going around using divisive politics that they have grown accustom to using during this primary campaign. I do not believe at this point that she will quit even when Obama has won the 2026 Delegates needed to secure the nomination. She will stay in and tear the party up for the sake of "Hillary" and she will take this to the convention. I believe this because she could do the party a whole lot of good by suspending now, honorably. But she isn't. And that is why it's clear that she is staying in the race to divide the party as a means to prevent Obama from winning the general election. By doing so, she is more of an asset to McCain at this point than she is to the Democratic Party.
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Mon May-19-08 01:48 PM
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1. I'm very proud of her. I think she is a terrific asset to the Democratic party and will remain so. |
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Mon May-19-08 01:53 PM
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8. Sure, because splitting the vote will surely lead to success in November. |
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Go, Hil! The Republicans are loving it!
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Mon May-19-08 01:55 PM
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10. I think she's got Hillary as her top priority. |
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Mon May-19-08 01:58 PM
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15. Not anymore she's not. Her avarice and greed have made her a.... |
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political pariah. I think there are many Dem politicans who have been afraid to speak up against her, because of her well-known vindictiveness, but who will have stories to tell once she has destroyed her own legacy.
The Clintons' legacy now is this: copying Bush/Rove politics and splitting the Democratic Party.
The history books will not be kind to the Clintons and, IMO, they will end up as villified as Bush Jr.
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Mon May-19-08 01:59 PM
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17. glad someone is. She deserves anything she can get |
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with her behavior over the last three months, I'm surprised that anyone supports here anymore.
When she runs again for senate, she will have to build a lot of bridges, given the number she has burned this year.
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Mon May-19-08 01:59 PM
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18. She is a loser and will remain so. |
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Mon May-19-08 02:02 PM
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21. Hitler was great for the German economy! |
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Mon May-19-08 02:14 PM
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25. Is that your HOPE CHANGE BELIEVE shit talking, there? How crass. NT |
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Mon May-19-08 02:04 PM
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22. She's an "asset"? Well, you're within two letters of being right. |
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Mon May-19-08 02:12 PM
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24. Which reincarnation are you? Welcome to DU, the place to parrot Hillary's TPMs. |
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Mon May-19-08 02:17 PM
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29. yes, to working people, to hard working people |
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to hard working, oh nevermind...:hide:
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Mon May-19-08 02:17 PM
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.....no. But if you can figure a way to take her and keep her...you can have her as far as I am concerned.
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Mon May-19-08 03:56 PM
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35. She's more of an asset to the Repukes right now. You have to see that. |
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Mon May-19-08 01:48 PM
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2. If the If happens she would be at the top of the list, obviously. |
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Mon May-19-08 01:48 PM
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3. She's leading in the popular vote, Obama is a sexist and the media has been horribly unfair |
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It's a positive message, designed to bring us all together and beat John McCain. :freak:
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Mon May-19-08 03:57 PM
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36. Good one. Of course you're spot on. How else can you explain her losing the nomination? . . . |
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It couldn't be her right?!
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Mon May-19-08 01:49 PM
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4. Since when does Hillary do the right thing? |
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Edited on Mon May-19-08 01:50 PM by sparosnare
It's all about her and what she wants; like a spoiled child. Meanwhile, the rest of us have to condone her behavior and god forbid; allow her to do whatever she chooses because we don't want to upset her.
Even when Obama is officially the nominee, we will have to kiss her ass to get her get on board. If she was a man, this would not be happening.
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Mon May-19-08 01:51 PM
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5. And I hope she takes it to the convention - should make it worth watching for a change. |
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Mon May-19-08 01:52 PM
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I'd rather have 2 months of campaigning in swing states against McCain vs an intersting TV show.
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Mon May-19-08 01:55 PM
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11. but in a bizarre twist of events, mccain is shooting himself in the foot daily. |
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so he's not really taking much advantage of the lull.
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Mon May-19-08 01:58 PM
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Small Favors, Silver Lining. Can't Wait for the GE when McCain is exposed fully for the Bush-lite |
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Mon May-19-08 05:40 PM
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39. Yes because a couple days of entertainment |
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Is definitely worth a 3rd term of McBush.
Oh wait, no it isn't.
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Mon May-19-08 01:52 PM
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7. she hasnt been too terribly nasty lately, I think she's only hanging on to payback her own loans |
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Obama is going to claim Victory tomorrow in Iowa. I wonder what she'll do next
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Mon May-19-08 02:16 PM
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28. Obama is not claiming victory |
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That was something based on an unsourced rumor and exaggerated by the press.
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Mon May-19-08 01:54 PM
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9. I worry that some redneck KKK asscarrot will kill Obama, sniper style. |
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Maybe that's what she is hoping for?
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Mon May-19-08 02:11 PM
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23. This could be what Hillary is waiting for |
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Reading Freak Republic and other RW sights, it's clear there is a lot of animosity to Obama among the RW fringe. They are obsessed with him and actually think he's the anti-Christ.
Maybe Hillary is considering this and thinking that an assassination is a possibility so they are staying in the race.
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Mon May-19-08 02:21 PM
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32. If you're correct, then. . . |
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Malice drinketh up the greater part of its own poison. ~Socrates
:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
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Mon May-19-08 01:56 PM
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12. Or they're implying that there is something out there, |
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whether there is or not. Another cheap tactic. This is sad.
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Mon May-19-08 02:01 PM
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19. There can't be anything bad about Obama out there.... |
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If there was, the Clintons would have already used it. They wouldn't have gone even further in debt to drag it out if they could end it by a scandal.
Hell, the Clintons made up shit about OBama because they couldn't find anything legit.
Bill, on the other hand, is an absolute treasure trove of scandals that have not yet been outed.
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Mon May-19-08 01:56 PM
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13. Few posts, minimalist profile, hillary loving |
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Mon May-19-08 01:57 PM
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14. I think you meant to reply to someone else... |
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Mon May-19-08 02:16 PM
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26. I think you were talking to our resident sockpuppet on this thread. |
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Mon May-19-08 01:58 PM
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Mon May-19-08 02:02 PM
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20. Senator Clinton's campaign is definitely about her being the best |
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just as Senator Obama's campaign is about him being the best. How could campaigns for a nomination be otherwise? Both have the usual egos of anyone desiring the Presidency. Both are Democrats. I just believe that Senator Clinton is a better choice.
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Mon May-19-08 02:16 PM
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27. ah, to be sure they both think they're the best, but Clinton has lost |
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really and truly. She's nearly 200 delegates behind. She can't possibly make them up. He's only 113 delegates from 2025. I have no problem with her staying in, but her continuing to make false claims such as that she's the leader in the popular vote and that Obama doesn't care about KY, are problematic. And she really needs to drop out when Obama reaches the requisite number in a couple of weeks. After Tuesday, he'll only be about 45 delegates away from clinching it.
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Mon May-19-08 02:21 PM
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31. Maybe yes. Maybe no. I still prefer Senator Clinton. If you all |
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prefer Senator Obama, then that is your choice. We just don't agree.
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Mon May-19-08 03:54 PM
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34. If it does, will you not be happy she stayed in the campaign and |
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she be the nominee? If there is something out there to fall on obama and if she had dropped out, then all we would be left with is a losing candidate from the git go.
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Mon May-19-08 04:10 PM
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38. She could concede and suspend. She does not have to 'drop out'. |
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Mon May-19-08 04:01 PM
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37. As a fellow Democrat, |
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I truly wish I could be proud of her.
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Mon May-19-08 09:22 PM
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40. I am there with you. But she lost that chance long ago. |
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