Are women of such a singular mind that they will refuse to vote Obama?

[cliffordu]

I mean, it seems like kind of an insult to say that all women are so much...alike

[anonymous171]

1. You mean Hillary women.

Obama has women supporters.

[cliffordu]

2. Right - Female Hillary supporters....

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

3. You mean stupid Hillary women.

Not all Hillary women would really vote against Obama, no matter how much they may bluff.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. This woman will vote for the Democratic nominee

I've stated this ever since MY candidate, Dennis Kucinich, dropped out of the race. To my mind, the point is to make sure we have a Democrat in the WH--whoever it will be won't be, in my mind, as good as DK would have been, but ANYONE will be a LOT better than John McCain.

[Arugula Latte]

5. Most -- not all -- of the women I know like Obama much better than Hillary.

I only know a handful of people who support Hillary, and, actually, two of them are coming around towards Obama. That leaves two sets of friends, my sister, and a friend's mother. The rest -- solidly Obama.

[americanstranger]

10. My wife can't stand Hillary.

But she still isn't 100% with O yet, either - she busted my chops about making a donation to the campaign last week.

And my wife is an educated, accomplished and informed professional woman. Refused to vote for HRC in either Senate run.

go figure.

- as

[Arugula Latte]

12. That's ... odd.

I bet she'll come around for O., though.

[americanstranger]

22. My wife doesn't immerse herself in politics like I do.

She often teases me about it, but I can take a joke. :)

I think she'll get more excited about Obama once she sees him kicking Grampa McCain's ass up and down the block. :rofl:

- as

[ananda]

6. I voted for Hillary Clinton ..

.. in the Texas primary.

I wanted to keep the race close so
Edwards would have an influence.

I will vote against McCain no matter
what.

[Marrah_G]

7. What a silly thing to say.

First of all Obama has many women voters. Secondly there are many women voters who are Republicans. And lastly, almost all Democratic women will vote for him in the GE.

You seem to be hung up on this false belief that Hillary supporters won't vote for Obama when the reality is that it is a very small percentage.

Please stop worrying about it.

[progdog]

8. If Clinton truly comes out

and supports him and they really consider the right to choose they will vote for him. I can't believe they wouldn't.

[Texas Hill Country]

9. there are a lot of women that are pissed off and feel like they are being told to sit down, shut up

and fall in line.

[americanstranger]

11. You forgot

'get to the back of the bus.'

5 Talking points demerits for you.

- as

[Forkboy]

13. Some make it sound that way, to be sure.

And while I understand why they would find that insulting the consequences to women and the world if McCain wins will be far more than just insulting. We don't always have choices that we like, but those choices are still necessary to make.

[Arugula Latte]

15. And lots of us have felt like we have been told us to shut up and fall in line

to support Hillary, just because she's a woman and we're women ... even though we can't stand that particular candidate for a host of reasons not related to gender (IWR vote, anyone?).

[msallied]

16. If they are being petulant assholes, they should sit down, shut up, and fall in line.

Just like the rest of us. Expecting special treatment is the behavior of spoiled children.

[Texas Hill Country]

23. several million women dont have to put up with shit.

[msallied]

25. Actually, as an adult, emotionally-healthy female, I am well aware

that the world doesn't revolve around ME.

[Darth_Kitten]

73. Really?

Well, you sure earned your Obama merit badge today.

[Darth_Kitten]

72. exactly, but they don't care.

n/t

[Darth_Kitten]

71. Expecting human beings to fall in line like sheep.......

is the sign of a very confused mind. Let's hold our breaths until we are blue, they won't vote for our candidate. :eyes:

[emilyg]

85. I see you've come a long way

Take your own advice, please.

[Colobo]

20. That reasoning doesn't make sense, unless you feel

it was Hillary's time and that Barack just got in the way.

[anigbrowl]

28. "Randi, in primaries you fall in love; in general elections, you fall in line." - Bill Clinton

I'm sure some women have a problem with the current situation, but the fact remains that Hillary is a lot farther from winning the nomination than Barack is. I she comes up with some magic plan to get 200 superdelegates or whatever the numbers is that she needs, I'm all ears.

[sfam]

44. So men who have clearly lost need to get out, but women can run as long as they want, even though...

its clear that they cannot win? Edwards was pressured to get out, but for some reason I don't remember him complaining that people told him to shut up, sit down and get in the back of the bus. As a good democrat more interested in Dems winning then any personal benefit, he knew the right thing to do and did it.

But Hillary is different. Is this truly because she's a woman or more likely because she's just more adept at moving the goalposts on a weekly basis?

[Darth_Kitten]

70. Exactly.......

Obama's younger supporters seem to forget that most women are not the cloying, obedient types they usually go for. :)

[greguganus]

74. Where's my sandwich!!!??? n/t

[msallied]

14. I can assure that many of them will make a big stink about it now.

But when their ballot is sitting before them in November, they will check the correct box.

[Clear Blue Sky]

17. Some will refuse, most won't.

[saracat]

18. And it isn't insulting to say all AA"s are voting for Obama? Actually

msny women will just skip the top of the ticket or write in a favorite candidate. I know many that are doing that.

[Colobo]

21. What is accurate to say is that true Democrats will support the Democratic nominee

because they respect the process.

[saracat]

24. Not necessarily so..One should not "work against the nominee"

but it isn't necessary to "support" the nominee.Theoretically we "should' vote for the nominee but "support" is another issue. No one will ever know how someone votes.If might be possible for me to force myself to cast a vote for an undesirable candidate but I would never support as in campaign for or donate funds to someone I didn't feel was credible.

[durrrty libby]

92. "respect the process."?? You mean the same fab process

the brought us Bush? What a pathetic joke. A shame that fools don't see it

[cali]

47. As if the 20 women you know who will do this in Arizona

mean anything in the real world.

:rofl:

[saracat]

58. And what you think counts for what in the "real world"? Or are you patronizing Arizona now?

That would be about right for you.

[EFerrari]

19. Of course not. That's just hype. n/t

[Tennessee Gal]

26. It isn't a gender thing.

Some may merely think that Obama is not the best candidate to face McCain.

[sfaprog]

29. Fortunately we can now see what a train-wreck Hillary's campaign has become and KNOW

Obama was the best choice.

[Tennessee Gal]

30. Time will tell and there is a lot at stake.

[Tennessee Gal]

31. Are you saying that because Obama is a man?

[sfaprog]

39. And that's EXACTLY the kind of baseless cries of "sexism" that are setting back the women's movement

Ever hear of the boy who cried wolf???



Are you saying that because Obama is a man?
Posted by Tennessee Gal

[Tennessee Gal]

40. If Clinton's campaign is such a disaster, why is Obama still not able

to put away the nomination?

[sfam]

41. Um, he has put away the nomination...

Most every other candidate running would have dropped out after the 11 straight loses gave Obama an insurmountable lead. Hillary did not drop out. This hardly means that Obama is unable to put the nomination away. Had Edwards still been running, he too would still have been racking up delegates. But like Hillary, he would have had no chance of winning.

Bottom line, the nomination has been decided. Sorry to be the one to break it to you.

[Tennessee Gal]

63. Really?

"Obama will still be short of the overall number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination, unless he were to suddenly receive an avalanche of endorsements from the party and elected officials known as superdelegates."

This regards the primaries tomorrow.

[sfaprog]

42. Because some people either can't accept reality or have ulterior motives.

like a 2012 strategy.

[Tennessee Gal]

64. Really?

"Obama will still be short of the overall number of delegates needed to clinch the nomination, unless he were to suddenly receive an avalanche of endorsements from the party and elected officials known as superdelegates."

This regards the primaries tomorrow.

[Darth_Kitten]

78. Are you here to set back the course of mankind or womankind?

Just asking.

[sfaprog]

80. Why would you ask such a sexist question?

just asking

[cali]

52. It's put away. He has the SDs to put him over the top

He just can't put them out there yet because people like you and the candidate herself would have fits if he did. He's freakin' 110 away from 2025. He'll be no more than 45 away on Wednesday after KY, OR and SD endorsement from the Pelosi Club. He'll take at least 20 delegates from PR and 15 from SD and MT. He has over 10 add ons still to come. And no, the RBC meeting won't change the math. Hillary will get no more 35 more delegates than O out of it.

He's won. It's over. This is just getting ridiculous.

[Tennessee Gal]

65. When he has the numbers confirmed, get back to us.

[Darth_Kitten]

76. Geez, are Obama supporters setting back the course of mankind?

I mean, a few of them are kinda annoying, are they setting back the course of mankind? :eyes:

But then again, I guess men can say or do anything, they'll always have their apologists. Women, oh, you nasty creatures, underrepresented in the political world, you are destroying things for your OWN. Nasty girls.

Maybe think a bit why women seem so off-putting to you. :eyes:

[LisaM]

34. Who the hell votes for a CAMPAIGN?

By that logic, a lot of people who considered that Al Gore had a poorly run campaign would have voted for Bush or written in Bill Bradley or something.

[Tennessee Gal]

36. Great point!

[bunnies]

27. This woman will vote for Obama with both pride and pleasure.

I find it incredibly condescending that Camp Clinton expected women to act like sheep. It undermines the entire feminist movement. Shame on them.

[cliffordu]

33. I was wondering about that more than anything, I guess....

IT REALLY insults me to be lumped in with other white males....

[bunnies]

37. I cant even tell you how SICK I am of being defined by my color and gender.

Its like when Hillary said "women will come out for me!"... I screamed at the TV... "NOT this one!" :nuke:

Why the hell can't people be judged as individuals?? It seems like some twisted form of racial profiling. Aren't Dems supposed to be against that?

[Terri S]

45. Amen!!

I'm sick to death of people talking about women as if we were all one giant vagina. For chrissakes. 'Women' do not feel the party has dissed them. SOME women do. Unbeknownst to some, women are actually separate human beings with their own minds and hearts and souls. We are not some tribal mind-melded entity.

Hillary Clinton is not losing the nomination because she is a woman. She is losing because she ran an incomptetent campaign using tactics Karl Rove would be proud of. Feminists worthy of that label don't judge competence by x and y chromosomes. Feminists worthy of that label don't insist on a the flip side of a gender-biased coin.

I am a 56 year old woman. I've been a feminist as long as the term was coined and far longer than that. I happen to be intelligent, well-informed and passionately involved in the political process. I supported Senator Obama from the beginning, after having researched everything I could find on the man after the 2004 Democratic Convention speech. I've watched and researched Hillary Clinton far longer than that. I voted for Bill twice. I rabidly defended both him and Hillary throughout their years in the White House. What I've seen in this campaign is not a strong woman who campaigned on that strength, but a despicable power-monger who used misinformation, personal smears, divisive innuendo and out-and-out lies to try and destroy a fellow Democrat for the sole purpose of personal power. I don't give a damn what her gender is. I care about her character and integrity and ability to lead this country..or in this case, her lack thereof.

If anyone disagrees with my assessment, that's fine. Just do it as a thinking human being and not someone who thinks with their reproductive organs. We've had far too much of that already.

[JerseygirlCT]

69. Amen. I've got a brain, and I intend to use it, thanks. nt

[DevonRex]

32. Boomer woman for Obama here. It's just the ones who can't

count or don't like reality who refuse to vote for Obama.

[Tennessee Gal]

38. Oh, so my vote as a Democrat does not matter. My opinion and my choice of

candidate does not matter. Thank you for the clarification.

Obama supporters do not want my vote.

Thank you for the clarification.

[Adelante]

60. Somebody loses and somebody wins

That's how elections work. In this case, your choice of candidate is not the one who wins. That doesn't mean your vote doesn't matter any more or less than anybody else's, your choice or your opinion. It only means your side lost. In November, we get to do it again and I hope you will vote Democratic.

[emilyg]

86. Really?

[Spider Jerusalem]

35. No, and if they WERE, Hillary would be the nominee.

[graycem]

43. We already know this isn't true..

c'mon, feelings are just raw right now. That's all and it's understandable. :shrug:

[NotThisTime]

46. I'm a woman gladly voting for Barack Obama!

[QueenOfCalifornia]

48. 51 year old woman here

Obama all the way.

:bounce:

[Perry Logan]

49. If they vote for a candidate whose supporters called them racist, they have no pride whatsoever.

[sfam]

55. Wow...if they let others make their decisions, they're missing something far worse than pride...

So you vote based on the comments other supporters say (or you perceive they say) about you? Um, OK. Too bad you don't vote based on your own perception of who would make the best president. Perhaps you'll be able to make your decision independently of others some time in the future then...

[Perry Logan]

62. My friend, there are some things you JUST DON'T SAY to people. You totally fucked up.

[emilyg]

87. I am going to vote on my own perception of who

would make the best president. NOT Obama.

[End Of The Road]

50. No. What an insult to think we're of a "singular mind"

I'm slightly (very slightly, actually) in favor of Hillary over Obama, for reasons that my personal experience leads me to believe are valid. That's my right as an educated voter. If she is not the nominee, I'll vote for Obama.

[slackmaster]

51. No, only racist white women

:sarcasm:

[renie408]

53. Uhhh..NO. n/t

[Thrill]

54. I'm tired of trying to convince. You know what I say to them??

Blame yourself when your life is miserable under President McCain

[sfam]

56. That's what I say to people who voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004...nt

[madmom]

57. As a woman who was first an Edwards supporter and then a Clinton supporter

I can say that as far as I'm concerned,it has nothing to do with race or gender. While I was initially for Clinton I'm not to happy with the way she has been handling things lately but I'm not all that enraptured with Obama either. I think I'll just sit by and vote for the dem nominee whomever it may be. The fact the people are saying that women are supporting Clinton because she is a woman is rather insulting to say the least. It's like we don't have a mind to think so we just follow like lemmings. Granted there are some who do, but to use that proverbial broad brush does nothing but inflame! IMO

[Annces]

59. No

But I think you lost your mind somewhere along the way.

[Adelante]

61. Well, we're not alike

That's why some of us voted for Clinton and some of us voted for Obama.

[Tennessee Gal]

66. It has nothing to do with the fact that I am a woman.

Some refuse to believe that.

Your loss.

[CakeGrrl]

67. You mean "female Hillary supporters"

Because plenty of women have voted for and endorsed Obama.

If Hillary's base of support was as broad as she claims, she'd be leading. But that makes too much sense.

:crazy:

[JerseygirlCT]

68. Nope. They most certainly are not.

There are a few, loud, pissed off women who are willing to risk women's rights, the lives of our troops and, basically, the future of our country simply to sulk.

By doing this, they make it obvious that they believe their candidate is nothing more important that female. That the ONLY thing to recommend her has been her gender.

They are not Democrats, and they are not feminists.

They are also people who don't give a damn about their country or its future.

[graywarrior]

75. Not this woman.

[KoKo]

77. So why post the damned thing? n/t

[Avalux]

79. Some are unfortunately. Then there's women like me -

who have daughters and know full well what might happen to their rights and the rights of their daughters if McCain is elected.

I've criticized (and continue to criticize) Hillary; but no matter how I feel about her, I would always vote for the Democrat, no matter who it is.

[AZBlue]

81. No. That's just another false Hillary meme.

Don't believe it.

[DesEtoiles]

82. not the smart ones!

[VotesForWomen]

83. do i have to say it? are blacks of such a singular mind that they refuse to vote for hillary? plea

please check out which group is voting all alike, then get back to us.

[cliffordu]

84. Please read my entire OP slowly, and then get back to me.

[Andromeda]

88. Hillary inspires so many women...

that they just can't envision voting for someone who is so obviously unqualified to be president. They don't buy into the Obama dog and pony show.

I know you were trying to be a smartass and put down women who don't agree with you by insulting them with a sexual innuendo but increasingly vocal Hillary supporters believe she would make the best president because of her compassion, intelligence, courage and command of the issues.

Barack, alas, has none of those qualities but if you find a man who is arrogant and superficial appealing then you'd better be prepared to have McCain as our next POTUS.

[cliffordu]

90. Uh, where did I

"Put down women who don't agree with you by insulting them with a sexual innuendo"

Are you drunk?

[Egnever]

89. um no

[shadowknows69]

91. 90% of the women I know are voting for Obama

Ok, I admit that is only out of a sample of my mother, my sister, my wife, my best friend and my dog, but still I think it's a striking percentage.

[cliffordu]

93. Why is your dog voting for HIllary??

:rofl:

[shadowknows69]

96. My sister actually

No Hillbots in my home.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

94. Most Democratic women....

will not cut their noses off to spite their face, and instead vote for Obama in the GE.

And some may not.

As distasteful as it is, they have a constitutionally protected right to vote like idiots. ;)

[Phillycat]

95. Of course not.

I'm a Hillary supporter and I have stated many times that I will willingly vote for Obama in the GE. I'm not happy about it, and I don't like or trust him one bit, but I'm a loyal Democrat and this isn't the first and won't be the last time I vote for someone I find personally distasteful, because I'm a party loyalist.

I think you'd find if you spent your time doing something more productive than spending 100% of your waking hours bashing Hillary supporters who haven't quite pinched their noses shut enough to state on a message board that they'll vote for Obama IN FUCKING NOVEMBER FOR CHRIST'S SAKE IT'S ONLY MAY, they'd probably calm down on their own. But no, by all means, keep abusing them. You're making yourself lots of friends.

Not directed at the OP personally.

[yourguide]

97. More women favor Obama now!