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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:42 PM
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Obama acknowledges some sexist media coverage in the campaign.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 05:31 PM by pnwmom
"Sen. Barack Obama said today that he agrees with Sen. Hillary Clinton that she has faced some sexism in the media coverage of her campaign.

'No doubt there are certain burdens for Sen. Clinton running as a formidable but first-time front-runner as a woman in the same way I've got to deal with some issues as an African-American,' Obama told ABC's Jake Tapper.

'There is no doubt that there have been occasions where Sen. Clinton has had to overcome particular hurdles, and that is part of the groundbreaking nature of her campaign,'he said."

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4895145&page=1

On edit:

Here is the transcript of the full interview:

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/interview-with.html

SNIP

TAPPER: Do you agree with Sen. Clinton's complaint that she has been the victim of a sexist media in this campaign?

OBAMA: No doubt there are certain burdens for Sen. Clinton running as a formidable but first time frontrunner as a woman in the same way I've got to deal with some issues as an African American. Ultimately, I think the American people are fair minded and for those who would not vote either for myself or Sen. Clinton because of gender or race there are those who are excited about the prospects of the first woman or African American (nominee). There is no doubt there have been occassions where Sen. Clinton has had to overcome particular hurdles and that is part of the groundbreaking nature of her campaign.

SNIP
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sfaprog Donating Member (353 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:47 PM
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1. Well, he spoke up for her... That's what was demanded of him...
I suppose we won't see another thread conspicuously linking Obama and sexism at DU now... :eyes:
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Texas Hill Country Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:47 PM
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2. seems like the candidate is better than many of the followers.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:49 PM
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4. Maybe. Personally, I think Hillary is worse than many of her followers.
Which isn't saying much.
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:40 AM
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40. oh ouch.
zing.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:50 PM
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5. ...................
:popcorn:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:57 PM
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8. I agree with that. n/t
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:59 PM
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10. I am a supporter, not a follower
Edited on Tue May-20-08 05:05 PM by Cali_Democrat
Followers will blindly support someone even when they say the most absurd things like talking about the obliteration of Iran. They will also follow their candidate even when they talk about how they have the support of white people and their opponent doesn't.

Supporters like me are reasonable and we can disagree with our candidate. I disagree with Obama on various issues like gun control. I don't follow him on every issue. Hillary folks are the real followers.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:49 PM
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3. he said "certain burdens"............not sexist media coverage
you are putting words in his mouth
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:50 PM
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6. ROFLMAO!!!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:58 PM
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9. The words came from the article, not from me.
And I don't know if the writer was paraphrasing or where the sentence came from exactly.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:10 PM
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17. the author interpreted his words , but the quote from Obama doesn't refer to media coverage
I'm not trying to be unpleasant....

I do believe that the media coverage has been appalling but I don't believe that it is generally sexist or racist, just pathetic.


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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:12 PM
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18. The context is unclear. I googled for more, but couldn't find out what
question the reporter had asked. It's certainly possible that the reporter asked about sexism in the media coverage, and that's why s/he paraphrased Obama in that way. But I don't know.
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virtualobserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:20 PM
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23. I think that the reason that I am sensitive to the quote vs. description differences...
has to do with a couple of posts that I made early on about Hillary Clinton in which I reacted to the content of an article and found later that her actual quote was nothing like the article and I embarrassed myself at least twice. If I turn out to be wrong on this, I do apologize in advance.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:24 PM
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25. Here is the question and answer from the transcript.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 05:28 PM by pnwmom
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/05/interview-with.html

TAPPER: Do you agree with Sen. Clinton's complaint that she has been the victim of a sexist media in this campaign?

OBAMA: No doubt there are certain burdens for Sen. Clinton running as a formidable but first time frontrunner as a woman in the same way I've got to deal with some issues as an African American. Ultimately, I think the American people are fair minded and for those who would not vote either for myself or Sen. Clinton because of gender or race there are those who are excited about the prospects of the first woman or African American (nominee). There is no doubt there have been occassions where Sen. Clinton has had to overcome particular hurdles and that is part of the groundbreaking nature of her campaign.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:13 PM
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20. Aren't you a barrel of laughs?
Not.
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dave29 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:51 PM
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7. "groundbreaking nature"
a clear reference to her weight. Will his sexism ever end?

:sarcasm:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 04:59 PM
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11. Apparently the sexism of his followers won't. n/t
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:01 PM
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12. And apparently the racism of her followers won't either...check yourself.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:06 PM
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14. What did I say to make you think I was racist and in the HRC camp?
Edited on Tue May-20-08 05:08 PM by pnwmom
Neither statement is true.

Are you assuming that because I agree that there was sexist media coverage, I must be a Hillary supporter? Well, that's not true, I've never been a Clinton partisan.

Are you also assuming that all Hillary supporters must be racist?

Supporters like you aren't doing Obama a bit of good.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:12 PM
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19. and what makes you think I was sexist and in the obama camp?
There was sexist media coverage but it's a mighty reach to suggest that all obama supporters are sexist.

My point was exactly that...that neither statement is true...perhaps you forgot to include the nice sarcasm icon with your post?

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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:18 PM
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22. Because of your scornful dismissal of the idea that
Edited on Tue May-20-08 05:19 PM by pnwmom
HRC has been mocked in sexist ways -- her thick ankles, her "shrill" voice, her hips, her pantsuits. Or calling her a B, a C, or a whore.

I don't think that all Obama supporters are sexist. Just the ones who either make blatant sexist comments or deny that they ever occur, or deny that it matters.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:25 PM
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26. You might want to check my posts...
I have never touched upon her "her thick ankles, her "shrill" voice, her hips, her pantsuits. Or calling her a B, a C, or a whore."

Never, not once on this board.


Again, check yourself. You are out of line.


No one here is denying the media hasnt been sexist, but you cant pin that on the Obama campaign. However I can cite multiple examples where the Clintons have been racist.



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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:35 PM
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31. No, you only brought up her weight.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 05:36 PM by pnwmom
Despite the fact that she doesn't have a weight problem, just the usual female pear-shaped body.
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:39 PM
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32. CHECK MY POSTS THEN FRIGGIN APOLOGIZE
I didnt write the post about her weight.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:10 PM
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34. You're right. I'm sorry that
Edited on Tue May-20-08 06:13 PM by pnwmom
you broke into this thread, accusing me of being racist, and I didn't notice that you weren't the same person I had just responded to.

Now why don't you explain why you thought I was racist because I objected to the comment about HRC's weight and pointed out the sexism involved?
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yourguide Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 07:28 PM
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37. Because you made an obnoxious blanket statement.
This is a message board by the way, not your personal message board...so no one broke into this thread.

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goldcanyonaz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:06 PM
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15. Thanks for the update, Sweetie!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:09 PM
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16. Yeah, yeah, well, no one's perfect.
I can forgive him that slip.

If he weren't married to a strong woman like Michelle, I might be more worried though.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:14 PM
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21. Oh, for Christsake.
Of course the media is sexist and racist and looks down on poor people. The media reflects the worst in this culture.

What does that have to do with Obama -- except as someone who has had to deal with that all his life?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:20 PM
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24. What does it have to do with Obama? The fact that he's acknowledging it.
Edited on Tue May-20-08 05:21 PM by pnwmom
That's a good thing.

The first step toward solving a problem is acknowledging its existence.

If he's aware of the problem, he's much more likely to be a leader in helping to improve the situation in the future.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:26 PM
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27. Do you actually need a politician running for office to tell you these things?
:shrug:

And, when was the last time a problem like that was handled from the top down? Never.

I'd much rather hear what he has to say about formulating a Middle East policy or how to reign in the criminal contractors working for State or what he intends to do about our dysfunctional health system because then, I might learn something new.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:34 PM
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30. Don't you expect that he could help bridge some of the racial divisions
in our country -- even from the top down?

Why couldn't he help to bridge other divisions, too?
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:39 PM
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33. Cultural conflicts are rarely or never solved by decree.
It's a nice thought but, really, it doesn't happen that way. We change by interacting with our families and our neighbors and, a little at a time, at that.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:14 PM
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35. Not by decree, but by example. n/t
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 06:20 PM
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36. If that example is too far removed from the real lives of real people
it has no effect on everyday life.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 11:46 PM
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38. That example will have a "bully pulpit" that he will be using
not to bully people, but to encourage them.

I think he does have a great opportunity to offer leadership in bridging the differences among us.

Just yesterday, he was inducted as an honorary member of the Crow nation. I think that is a harbinger of things to come.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:26 PM
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28. Obama is not responsible for the media's coverage of Clinton
Why are some Hillary supporters trying to blame Obama for the media's actions? And where was Clinton's concern about the media when they were running the Rev W. clips every 2 minutes?
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-20-08 05:32 PM
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29. Who said he was? Not me.
I'm just glad he is acknowledging it.

I've never been a HRC partisan, and I'm not sure who the Hillary supporters are that you're referring to.
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LeFleur1 Donating Member (973 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 12:05 AM
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39. Here's the Thing
Many women who heard disgusting sexual references about Hillary instead of reasoned disagreement with her policies thought that Obama, or someone in his campaign, as well as at least a couple of Democratic leaders should have called it out.

Something like..."We certainly want discussion of disagreements concerning policies of the candidates, but name calling and insults of a sexist or racist nature are 'low class'. I would not expect it to continue."

That's an action that wasn't taken when those bozos in the media were doing it. Just an acknowledgement that it was going on, they were aware, and it wasn't right.
I don't believe Hillary is behind because of it (although it was so disrespectful that I can't imagine it wouldn't have an effect with some people). It seems to me that type of crap should be called out anytime it appears.

I just don't understand why so many people on DU disagree.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:20 AM
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41. After which he said: Hillary, don't take it so hard sweetie.
:eyes:
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:21 AM
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42. Yes. He's a misogynist. How he can live with his wife and two daughters is beyond me.
:eyes:
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