What does it say when only 33% of HRC voters will vote for Obama but 70% of Obama voters...

[book_worm]

would vote for HRC? according to exit poll out of KY and pretty much the same in WVA. Why is this in your opinion?

[populistdriven]

1. Who is Hillary?

Is she that former presidential candidate? Bless her heart.

Remember how competitive of a race it was?

[AZ Criminal JD]

69. You will find out who she and her supporters are in November.

Stick around.

[tekisui]

78. Are you suggesting a third party run from the queen?

[AZ Criminal JD]

83. No that won't happen. But if you think Obama can win with his 2nd place finish

In the Democratic popular vote, you're dreaming. But that is natural with the Obama crowd.

[tekisui]

85. We nominate by delegates.

Go ahead, ignore the popular votes of some caucus states. That argument isn't winning over the superdelegates.

[crimsonblue]

89. tell me where, anywhere, in the Democratic Party rules "popular vote"..

matters in the nomination process, and maybe I will agree. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as "popular vote", because of the caucus states. What you dumbasses fail to recognize is that correlating Obama's victory margins in the caucus states with predicted primary turnout, Obama would be winning by a landslide. just a month ago, you worthless hills were harping about superdelegates.. no.. wasn't it "automatic delegates"? I can't remember, because your bullshit reasoning and goalpost moving occurs too quickly to keep up with.

[The Doctor.]

125. That lie again?

You're basing your prediction on your own vindictive and petty attitude, and assuming that all Clinton supporters are going to behave like children?

You really are quite full of your very childish self.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

104. DOES HILLARY WANT YOU TO VOTE FOR MCCAIN???

Or does she want you to support the democratic nominee?

Or does she enjoy the fact that 24 % of her voters in KY are racists?

[AZ Criminal JD]

159. What percent of Obama voters in Chicago are racists?

[dansolo]

122. We'll find out who the real Democrats are

[olkaz]

132. Ah, we're to be held hostage. Bravo!

Seriously, a new low everyday.

[emilyg]

97. We'll be glad to remind you in November.

[Name removed]

103. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[The Doctor.]

127. You won't be here if you keep up the spiteful, ignorant attitude of yours.

Are you really this childish?

[DemVet]

135. Are you?

I can't believe the number of people on this board that can't handle an alternative viewpoint?

No, the Obama Kool-Aid drinking crowd isn't the only one here.

It's been pointed out that valid, alternative viewpoints to the Obama-holics will be allowed after he's proclaimed the Nominee...if indeed he ever is.

How will Obama people act then? Like whining cry-babies, I imagine.

[The Doctor.]

144. Wow. It's sad you call me childish for pointing out that this is a DEMOCRATIC message board.

Your ignorance is what is childish. Calling my support for Obama 'kool-aid drinking' proves that ignorance.


This is for you;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5800373


Meanwhile, it is entirely childish to threaten to withhold votes for the Democratic nominee just because it's not the candidate that you want.


You people are fucking pathetic, sorry little children that have no place in politics. I once tried to apologize for being harsh with you, but fuck that, I take it back. You deserve neither my respect nor my civility any more than a spoiled brat of a child deserves to get his way. I'll be officially recinding that later. You don't want civility, you want to hate for the sake of hating another candidate without even ONE decent reason while letting your candidate get away with such unforgivable bullshit.

You all will be gone from this site after Clinton is dropped, whether you leave on your own or you have to be banned because you continue to denounce the Democratic nominee.

Then, finally, the adults will be able to have grown-up discussions again.

[The Doctor.]

145. This is for you too;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5892322

[The Doctor.]

146. For you;

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5892322

[Beacool]

114. You'll remember her and her supporters in November.

See how your guy wins without our help...............

[The Doctor.]

126. Talk about petty, vindictive, childish, and ignorant.

Voting against one's own self-interest out of spite?

You people have some serious growing up to do. By all means, make your intentions clear after June.

[IsItJustMe]

141. So you like some McCain huh. Good for you. Bye Bye.

[K8-EEE]

150. I can't believe how selfish and petty some "Goddess" fans are

You'd rather have McCain than Barack? WTF???

[shadowknows69]

118. Truth Trolls for Obama!!!!

[cbayer]

2. Obama supporter are fickle?

I joke.

[quantass]

3. Emotions vs Logical Reasoning. Plus Hillary has consistently distorted facts for her supporters.

Many of Obama's supporters have logically thought thru this question and have come to the conclusion that both democrats are 95% the same whereas McCain is perhaps 25% the same. Voting for McCain, as many Hillary supporters claim they will do, seems very illogical. Almost childish. Obviously race plays a part for "some" Hillary supporters but i think it has mostly to do with the absolute shock of a woman as prez is not going to happen this year and many women are very VERY emotional AT THE MOMENT about that. Come GE time i think many will come around. Excluding racist vote of course, who will come out in droves for McCain, but this breed is dying off thankfully.

[jbm]

111. if Obama supporters were thinking logically, they wouldn't be Obama supporters

Like you said in your post, Hillary and Obama have nearly identical positions, BUT Hillary has years and years of practical experience and great connections. She also carries the states we need to win, has much better demographics, and the GE electoral map favors her. Obama is the "American Idol" candidate. Rational thought never enters into the picture.

[swishyfeet]

113. Your logic is flawed

Hillary has years and years of baggage.

I don't want a President with "connections".
She carries states because she owns the old lady vote and has enormous name recognition and spent 8 years in the White House.

Obama has been nothing but polite to her for the past two months and she's still losing! What the fuck is she going to do versus McCain and the meanies who have been drooling for a chance to face her in the fall?

I do not vote based on who I think will win Kentucky and West Virginia, and I will not vote for the lowest common denominator.

Winning in the Primaries does not translate to the General Election. Wake up.

[Voltaire]

129. Then why is she not winning with all those wonderful attributes?

Ever think about that? Ever think?

[IsItJustMe]

142. You hit the nail on the head. Emotionalism is not a good way to run one's life nor is it a good way

to pick a president. Sad.

[LaurenG]

4. Not as self destructive, more mature? nt

[Bicoastal]

5. The resident Democrats of WV and KY heartily dislike Obama for some reason.

I don't understand why people are so mad at Obama supporters when most of them would clearly vote for HRC if given the chance.

[IsItJustMe]

143. Very conservative states, I saw analysis on CNN last night that showed that most of those Dems

would be voting for McCain in November, not Hillary.

[Indenturedebtor]

155. Yep. How long has it been since we swept the bible belt?

Anyone think it's likely now?

These are the people who the "Barack HUSSEIN Osama" crap from the HRC campaign worked with.

Yeah I grew up in the bible belt. I'm proud to consider myself an elitist over neanderthals who think that all muslims are evil, and all gay people are gay "just for fun", etc. To hell with those "values voters".

[FrenchieCat]

6. That one's a Cult and one is interested in our nation's welfare?

:shrug:

[aaronbees]

91. Exactly what I thought to

The whole "cult" meme earlier in the campaign was sure misplaced.

[gateley]

7. I don't know what it SAYS --

but it disturbs and saddens me.

And rather than worrying about what it says, we just need to accept it and work even harder to ensure Obama gets the overwhelming votes needed in November to become POTUS.

[AllentownJake]

8. Its Appalachia

That is what it says.

[Onlooker]

9. It means the Democratic Party is still fucked up

There are still racist Democrats out there. Obama is going to need to win them over or find a constituency to replace them with. These racists are probably Democrats in others ways -- pro union, pro social services, pro national health care, etc.

On a brighter note, it also means that Clinton is attracting conservative women. I read somewhere that Clinton had quite a bit of support among Republican white collar women.

[islandmkl]

25. yeah...we will get things changing by accommodating the racist element in our society..

AS IF they would vote for Obama to begin with...

it is not our place to wake up the sleeping and dead...

if people can't vote their own, personal best interest, then they get EXACTLY what they deserve, as do their descendants...

tell people the truth, tell them the problems, the solutions you propose, the vision you have for the future of this nation, this world...

the chips will fall where they may...

I don't want ANY EROSION of a true opportunity to START changing things because someone is worried about who gets some racists' vote...

look where that type of politics has gotten us...

you want McCain? you want to think Obama can change certain elements of our society into choosing him over McCain?

leave them to their own devices...they will not determine the future if we mobilize OUR VOTES...

[Onlooker]

36. As I said

"Obama is going to need to win them over or find a constituency to replace them with." If he can educate them not to be racist that would be a tremendous victory, and that should be what campaigns are all about. If he can't do that, then he has to find other voters to replace them with. If Obama fails to do that, then he won't be president. So far, he's managing to inspire a lot of people without any sort of bold vision, just silly meaningless phrases like fired up, change, and hope. If he can inspire people with that kind of crap, he may be able to inspire some people to reject racism.

[AZ Criminal JD]

70. By your logic does that mean 30% of Obama supporters are sexist?

Just asking.

[Onlooker]

82. I don't think so ...

... but I suppose sexist Democrats would vote for Obama and racist ones for Clinton, right? I think in this day and age there are probably more racists than sexists, but I could be wrong. Hopefully, the Democratic Party doesn't have too many of either.

[emilyg]

107. or racist?

Works both ways.

[Life Long Dem]

10. It means we have a bunch of repubs who come over to vote Hillary

But now will get in a bunch of blows to Obama before going back to vote McSame.

[Blue-Jay]

11. That's an interesting question.

I'd like to see some honest answers. (so....KICK)

[stray cat]

12. Hillary voters in those areas normally vote Republican and are voting dem

because the McCain race is over and this way if they switched early they prevent a scary progressive from winning the GE

[Iceburg]

138. Reminder:The last Dem president won BOTH KY & WV.

[damntexdem]

13. Big R, little a, little c, little i, little s, little m.

That spells: Republican! No matter how they are registered.

[Marrah_G]

14. It means that Obama is in the lead, it's really that simple.

[Joe the Revelator]

15. Republicans won't vote for Obama?

[BalancedGoat]

16. If I'm doing the math correctly...

edit- 16.5% of the people who voted for her plan on voting for McCain.

[NC_Nurse]

17. It says "low information voters" to me. Possibly racist, or maybe have Repub

leanings. :shrug:

[goldcanyonaz]

18. Looks like we gots us a Problem..

[susankh4]

19. It says that Hillary's supporters value experience most.

And change second.

No mystery there.

[bowens43]

26. The mystery is why they think that hillary has more experience.

She doesn't , that's myth. What it actually says is that hillary supporters in Appalachia think that sheets are fashion accessories.

[ecdab]

35. It says Democratic policy issues are important to most Obama supporters

and not important to many Hillary supporters.

And if you measure a Democrat by the policies they support - that should tell you which candidate Democrats are supporting.

[OnionPatch]

46. So any kind of experience is all that matters?

George W Bush has eight years experience. Dick Cheney is an experienced man. So is Donald Rumsfeld. If experience is all that matters to them, I hope they are happy with a McCain presidency because he's plenty experienced in helping to screw up our country.

[Carolina]

50. What fucking experience?

being Bill's wife?!

Proximity to power through marriage is not experience... If that's the case then Laura or Barbara Bush (wife and mother to presidents) can make the same experience claim. Or next time I need surgery, I'll go to the surgeon's spouse! Sheesh

No one has ever called HRC on this bullshit.

The only real experience she can claim as her own is as a corporate lawyer ... hmmm just what we need more of :sarcasm: and as a US Senator. However, during her Senate career, more often than not, she has gone along with Bush. Some fighter; what has she done. All I have seen her fight for is herself, her desperate/despicable campaign, her political viability and her personal power.

[TahitiNut]

61. Exactly. The "experience" claim is the BIG LIE over and over and over.

It just doesn't wash ... even IF it were determinative (which it's not).

[emilyg]

96. Yep.

[Shae]

100. If Hillary voters

value experience most and change second, then they'll vote for McCain in the GE. He has more experience than either.

(Gee, I wonder why they never elected Strom Thurmond President? He had tons and tons of experience).

[The Doctor.]

131. No, it says that they're vindictive children. "If I don't get MY candidate I'm not voting for Obama!

Pathetic.

You'd vote against your own best interest for the sake of 'proving' what? I'm serious, answer the question.

[Doityourself]

20. We know what it means...its the pink elephant in the room..but of course no one wants to admit it

[billyoc]

21. It says the same thing that the burning crosses say.

"We suck, and contribute nothing to civilization".

[KSinTX]

22. Obama supporters are issues voters, not electorally challenged. nt

[haymakeragain]

23. Says they'll stoop to anything, even extortion.

We are entitled to have Hillary the nominee, if she's not the nominee we will not vote or will even vote for Mcsame, so you better give her the nomination. All you folks that voted for Obama, go fuck yourselves.

Pathetic is what it really is, pathetic.

[PoliticalAmazon]

161. Hillary isn't qualified on her own merits. n/t

[bunnies]

24. It says that many female Hillary supporters

care more about retaliating against the penis havers than they care about advancing womens rights. Talk about a slap in the face.

[havocmom]

37. Yep

They are setting opinion of women leaders back decades by being focused more on gender than issues.
That makes them sexist, which none of them see. Very sad, and a slap to women who put gender lower on the priority list.

[murray hill farm]

27. Obama supporters are more sane?

More rational? Truer Dems? Obama supporters care more about their party and their country? What kind of people are Clinton supporters? If they can not get their candidate as nominee, they will not vote at all or vote repub. Do we even want such irrational turncoats to the party? Geeeez!!

[Big Blue Marble]

28. These are the same Democrats in Kentucky

that voted for Bush twice. What does that tell you? I know I live here.

[DesertFlower]

29. it's crazy and now geraldine ferraro

said she might not vote for obama. if that's the case, say hello to president McCain.

[grasswire]

30. it says Obamans should have been less divisive

A good portion of those attitudes were hardened by the pugnacious manners of Obama supporters.

[Window]

32. ..

:rofl:

[Blue-Jay]

51. Yep. Bullies make me want to vote for a republican.

My spite is something to be FEARED!

[Auntie Bush]

53. Couldn't have said that better myself.

It was obama supporters who turned my off on Obama...their hate was too much to take! Their cries of racism didn't help either. They see everything from a racial perspective. Although I can't blame them for that...but the hate expressed at Bill and Hill was/is disgusting and unforgivable.

[Carolina]

54. oh really, seems that loser HRC was the one who had

to resort to the divisive kitchen sink, hard-working white people campaign.

You doth PROJECT too much!

[Shae]

102. Let them have their bitterness . . .

It's all they have left, really.

[haymakeragain]

58. More likely they're disappointment from losing their entitlement.

Sorry we wanted someone else and stood up with conviction.

[KSinTX]

65. Good point. Like these gems from Hillary supporters?

I never thought I would be cheering the republicans on. It a shame that the Dems put up such a crook to be our nominee.

The waffles rallies are listed on the site but nothing about FDR’s response to them. I’m hoping there will be protests as Waffles and Cruella deliberately provoked the problem and are the reason FL was stripped of delegates.

Re: Patty Solis Doyle

Doyle is a turncoat. If she needed a gig, she should have waited until the convention. She’s a Judess and so is anyone else who would deliberately, publicly, intentionally stab HRC in the back.

Re: Ted Kennedy

I don’t want to wish terrible things on anybody, but I’m not going to pretend to feel sorry for some jackass either.

So hopefully, this piece of shit will just retire to his mansion and enjoy his remaining time.

Even FreeRepublic locked its thread on this out of respect for the man and his situation.

[JerseygirlCT]

68. Seriously?

And you don't see the big heaping dose of ugly thrown at Obama and Obama supporters here? Are you under the impression somehow that this has been one-sided? Or is just that only one side is supposed to defend their candidate?

[gmudem]

90. Delusion-ville

Obama has been divisive? Are you joking or have you completely divorced yourself from reality?

"hard working white people"

[flpoljunkie]

31. Sadly,it means the Clintons have been working hard to poison well for Obama w/low information voters

[Life Long Dem]

33. Think about it.

True democrats would be the ones who will be sticking around and will feel a need to save the presumed nominee from damage that you yourself would rather not see (in being a democrat), otherwise you don't have any intention of staying with the Democratic party. And those are the Obama bashers. No question of who will win this should come into play at this time.

KO recently asked when does a Democrat cease to be a Democrat. Over Rove.

[ecstatic]

34. A pundit said the stubborness of HRC supporters increases the longer HRC stays in the race nt

[Carolina]

38. that Obama supporters are REAL DEMOCRATS

and H-bots are ignorant.

[indimuse]

39. It says....It is what is WAS!

...

[Thrill]

40. Smart people see the bigger picture

[OnionPatch]

41. My opinion....a whole lot of Hillary supporters are not true Democrats.

It's pretty sad. The little nitpicky differences between Obama and Hillary are so miniscule compared to either one of them versus McCain. It's really lowered my opinion of certain types of Democrats that they would be so petty and spiteful. However, I think a lot of them are lying or are just angry and they will vote for Obama in the end.

[susankh4]

45. Actually... Democrats went for her by a VERY wide margin

Independents split about half with Barack.

[earthlover]

74. That may be true, but real Democrats would not vote for McCain

Real Democrats would not vote Republican.

Real Democrats would not look at 2008 as an unimportant election, where it is not important to vote Democratic.

This number who would not vote for Obama is still not a majority of Hillary supporters.

I think what we see are non-Democrats voting for Hillary as well as some who think of themselves as Democrats but could not see themselves voting for someone....like....Obama. And it ain't his politics because they are Democratic through and through!

[susankh4]

117. You must remember that

John McCain was a preferred running mate for John Kerry... amongst some Dems. Quite a few of them, in fact.

And these are the Dems who could very well defect to McCain and still self define as Dems. They might vote for all Dems downticket.... and still choose McCain at the top. This does not mean they are Repukes. It means they are moderates who prefer an experienced candidate.

[earthlover]

120. If they wanted a more experienced candidate, these folks would vote for McCain

against Hillary. After all, McCain is tons more expereinced than Hillary. Not even close. So if it really is experience that is the thing, nominating Hillary won't help.

Maybe it is something else? McCain is white. For some, that would be a plus.

[OnionPatch]

162. And I'm saying they aren't real Democrats.

If they would vote for McCain over the Democratic nominee, they are not real Democrats. I don't care how they're officially registered.

[Hamlette]

42. it is more about racism than sexism?

seems pretty good proof to me that this nation is WAY more racist than it is sexist.

[susankh4]

43. Interesting exit poll data shows....

Independents to be split about evenly. Dems went overwhelmingly for Clinton!

[moondust]

44. It says something about Kentucky.

Same as West Virginny.

[krawhitham]

HRC's supporters are republicans

not all I understand that, but a lot of her supporters are republican woman who will vote for a republican if she is not on the dem ticket

[BalancedGoat]

55. If you look at the exit polls...

... a lot of her "supporters" will vote McCain even if she is the nominee.

[graycem]

136. And they voted for Bush, twice.

Don't you just love that.

Attention: If you voted for Bush twice, voted for Reagan (Reagan Democrats), planning to vote for McCain... This makes you Republicans. I don't care what your card says, if you keep voting Republican, you're a REPUBLICAN, you're NOT a Democrat. And in other white working class news, I heard Rachel last night mention the lil' fact that both Dems lose the "white working class vote" to McCain by 7%.

[goletian]

47. most obama supporters are reasonable people, most hillary supporters arent.

this is the difference between conservatives and liberals. liberals think things through, conservatives dont. thats why you see repubs string most of their kind along like idiots, having them vote against their interests in every election.

[huskerlaw]

48. I'm not sure why, exactly

but it does tell me that 33% of Hillary supporters make piss-poor Democrats.

I understand what it feels like to have the candidate of your choice lose, trust me, but I also realize that regardless of my personal preference, ALL of the Democrats who ran are 1000% better than John McCain.

Being a Democrat doesn't mean merely supporting a candidate. It means supporting an idea. And if the democratic process yields a candidate that wasn't your first choice, tough shit. We all live to fight again next time, but in the meantime, it's absolutely ridiculous to play the "I'm taking my toys and going home" game. And if that 33% costs us the election, I hope like hell that they can live with what they've done. Actually, I don't give a shit about them, I hope the rest of us can live with the consequences of their decision to act like petulant children.

[Phx_Dem]

49. HRC

supporters are a bunch of selfish, whiney crybabies. In 2004 I was devastated when Howard Dean failed to win any primaries but I wholeheartedly supported Kerry because I knew it was about what was best for the country -- not about my personal disappointment. The difference between Bush and Kerry is just as stark as the difference between Obama and McCain. Many (not all) Clinton supporters are just like Hillary -- they are so selfish, they only care about themselves.

So go ahead and vote for McCain. We can win without you (and in spite of you).

Sorry for the rant, but I'm sick and tired of their constant whining. The fact is, no one stole anything from Hillary. She was never ahead -- she came in a distant 3rd in Iowa and never recovered. She ran a terrible campaign because she was so arrogant, thinking she had it all wrapped up that she didn't even need to try. She screwed herself.

Cry me a fucking river, Hillary. :cry:


(Mrs. Phx_Dem)

[Carolina]

59. great post and totally agree

Hillary is reaping her just 'reward' for her arrogance, petulance, sense of entitlement and despicable campaign.

[TexasObserver]

52. It says "Hillary supporters aren't as rational as Obama supporters."

Is the only reasonable conclusion.

[my3boyz]

56. Hillary supporters are PISSED that she is losing so they will say anything to get the super delegate

to change their minds! Not gonna work Hillbots!

[Jawja]

57. Because those voting for Hillary are Republicans

who will vote for McCain in November?

[MattBaggins]

60. Hell how about the AA poll where 60%

of AA voters would take Hillary as VP?

[AJH032]

62. It means Obama needs Hillary on his ticket

or he will not win.

[Blue-Jay]

63. Is the reverse also true?

Let's say that (by some miracle) Sen Clinton gets the nomination. Would you say that she needs to have Sen Obama as a running mate in order to secure a win in the GE?

[Dinger]

64. Maybe Her Voters Are More Loyal?

Maybe those voters vote "the person, not the party"?

Who knows? Everybody has their own individual reasons I guess.

[JerseygirlCT]

66. Reminds me of the Bible story of Solomon' s judgement

You know the one I mean? Two women claiming the same baby... Solomon suggests that the baby be split in half. One woman agrees, one woman says: give her the baby, but don't kill him.

Solomon knew who the real mother was there, and I'll leave the rest of the conclusion to the reader.

[Stinky The Clown]

67. Its **says** ............ **both** groups are fucked up. It should be 100% EACH

I guess "we're fucked up, but not as fucked up as you" passes for a good thing these days.

[Lilith Velkor]

93. Um, it is a good thing

Democrats are fucked up, but not as fucked up as Republicans. Isn't that why we vote for them? :shrug:

[invictus]

71. It says that Hillary's voters are mostly Republicans who will vote for McCain no matter who wins.n/t

[totodeinhere]

72. It says that HRC supporters who won't vote for Obama are Judases.

Bill Richardson was not a Judas, but those HRC supporters who will refuse to support the party's nominee are. They are betraying their party and they are betraying their country, and they should be ashamed of themselves.

[jsmirman]

73. It says that HRC's tactics have been divisive and shameful and that while they haven't helped her

she is on her way to successfully damaging the party. Way to go, Hillary!!!

SHE has turned this into us against them in a way that none of our internet bullshit approaches. I fucking hate her.

[ncabot22]

75. It says that a significant number of Clinton supporters

are petulant little assholes who do not give a shit about their country. I hope, if they follow through with this idiotic plan, they volunteer to go to Iraq.

[LWolf]

76. It says that neither of them can unify the party in November. n/t

[BlooInBloo]

77. Just keep in mind who her base is....

[Guaranteed]

79. It's the Loser's Threat

And by loser, I don't mean "a person who has lost." I mean someone who is so selfish and disgusting as to threaten to take everyone else down with them if they don't get their way.

I take heart in the probability that the numbers might be reversed- although I do think more Obama people would vote for Clinton- if their situations were reversed. I don't chalk up those numbers to a racial difference, but more of a personality difference between Obama and Clinton people.

[fifthoffive]

80. My guess is...

that a lot of her primary supporters will vote for McCain in the general even if she is the Democratic nominee. The Republican race is over so people are focused on the Democratic race. In their eyes she's better than Obama - supply your own reasons. Likewise, in the fall, they will see McCain as preferable to either Clinton or Obama - supply your own reasons.

Most of these people have been voting Republican in the general since Reagan.

[lynch03]

81. This video explains a lot

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-q4MDQ0cDI&e

[KoKo]

84. It says that Obama supporters have managed to Tick Off Hillary Supporters so much

that Hillary supporters don't want anything to do with voting for Obama. I don't believe Obama has caused this...but his "overzealous supporters" didn't seem to get Obama's message of "Unity" and it's causing a backlash. Just saying...from observation...

[emilyg]

109. One of the Obama people

told me to die-off - not that's not unity.

[Carolina]

152. you are fucking blind and stupid

if you can't see that these are dumbass racists.

[Honeycombe8]

86. The Appalachian area likes her better, and won't vote for a black man. Seriously.

That's it.

But KY is usu. a red state. It doesn't matter. Oregon, OTOH, is a "must win."

[Lerrad]

87. It must be some sort of personality trate....

... that the hillary supporters share with Hillary.
Make since?

[gmudem]

88. It means they are racist and or idiots

And Democrat that won't vote for Obama in the GE is an idiot, and that is a fact.

[emilyg]

99. Convenient excuses.

[gmudem]

105. Or reality.

What other reasons can you come up with?

We can be nice and call them "low-information voters" which is true, but many of those are racist and poorly educated.

[emilyg]

106. being poorly educated does not mean you're a racist.

[gmudem]

115. Did somebody say that?

Because I didn't. However Clinton is getting quite a lot of the racist and/or poorly educated vote.

[Bensthename]

92. It says there are a lot of racist mother fuckers out there..

[emilyg]

108. Just a reminder - racism works both ways.

[jeffrey_X]

121. Do you have some polling data to back this up?

Love to see the facts.

Thanks.

[emilyg]

156. I encounter racism daily. From both sides.

[beezlebum]

133. hi donor star giver to'er

:hi:

not going to lock horns with someone who was kind enough to donate on my behalf, but i must disagree with the "reverse racism" bit.

i will say that both sexism and racism are certainly a factor, and i'm not sure which is more prevalent, but "reverse racism" is a racist mantra.

[Perry Logan]

94. It says "President McCain," you political geniuses.

I'm still trying to figure out the strategy of calling your fellow Democrats racists. That's gotta be the dumbest political ploy I ever saw.

Earth calling Obamites! Whether or not they're racists, you're sure to lose their vote by calling them racists!

[gmudem]

116. It's not a "ploy"

When 2/3rds of the people voting for Clinton say they won't vote for Obama in the GE, what else could it possibly be?

Obama doesn't have a white people problem, he has an Appalachia problem. Fortunately he can win without those states.

[Carolina]

153. call a racist a racist because they are racists,

and I'm sick and tired of their racism being couched in politically correct, make nice, verbiage like hard working whites, blah, blah, blah

They have stupidly voted against their own best interests since they went in droves to Reagan who BTW launched his 1980 GE campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi where Goodwin, Shwermer and Chaney were killed by such kindred "good, hard-working, church going" white folk. Reagan told them (with a wink and a nod) that he believed in states' rights.

This country will reap what it has sown and the chickens will come home to roost because of the stupidity of many Americans today and the legacy of yesterday's genocide and slavery.

[avenger64]

95. Obama's appeal among white voters is weak....

.... a source of real concern.

[supernova]

98. It says Hillary attracts people who aren't Dems

They are really repub lites, but repubs nonethe less.

I think Obama has the right strategy that has been missing for years. That is, attract a larger pool of people from the nonvoting public, and most of them are liberal, not conservative.

Hillary can keep her noncommital MOR coservolite voters who really belong in the old country club part of the republican party.

[Clintonista2]

101. It says that Obama treats Hillary supporters worse than Hillary treats Obama supporters.

[jbm]

110. It says Hillary is the better candidate....n/t

.

[The Doctor.]

147. In 'red' states... where McCain will win anyhow.

[donheld]

112. Dittoheads are voting?

[mmonk]

119. Kentucky and West Virginia numbers aren't indicative of the nation

as a whole.

[hokies4ever]

123. They're drinking her Kool-Aid: "Obama just has a speech in 2002."

When she says these things enough times, her supporters start to believe them.

[Vinca]

124. That there are a portion of Clinton supporters who can be compared

to Beatlemaniacs? If you worship the person and don't care about the policy, it's got nothing to do with politics. If the 33% are willing to give up abortion rights, they aren't Democrats.

[The Doctor.]

128. Obama supporters will behave like adults.

[beezlebum]

130. i don't believe it.

i did read that 33% of hillary voters in states like ky and wv won't vote for obama- factor in op chaos, figurehead worshipers as opposed to policy wonks, name recognition, and conservatism- imo she is more conservative than obama, and simply more appealing than mccain to those people. on sexism and racism, i'm not sure which is truly more prevalent, but i'm sure it's a factor as well.

in other words, there is a lot to be considered about that 33% (in wv and ky).

i think the larger majority of her supporters WILL vote for obama, and those who are saying they won't are full of crap. they either are still licking their wounds, or have not come around yet, but they will.

[NorthCarolina]

134. It says many of her voters are Republicans who will vote for McSame in November

If she was so popular with so many folks who actually support her candidacy would she be 31 million in debt? Well, Republicans will vote for her in these primaries since their party already has a nominee, but they sure as hell won't donate to her campaign, nor will they vote for her come November.

[ballsalicious]

137. Who's HRC....and who's Hillary?

[fed_up_mother]

139. Says they're bad sports like HRC

And think they can hold the party hostage to their whining, crybaby threats.

[ShortnFiery]

140. It means that there's a strong undercurrent of "white privilege" racism with these ...

hard working WHITE folk.

Look to the states that didn't experience an history of SEGREGATION and RACIAL TENSIONS? Those states Obama is winning.

I'll NOT EVER forgive HRC for this volitional and racist statement, "working Americans, WHITE hard working Americans are voting for me." :puke:

HRC shamelessly plays BOTH "the gender" and "the race" cards IN A WAY that only scares up/snags more votes for her.

She disgusts me and she shames our beloved gender.

[tekisui]

148. Only 33% of HRC voters are true Democrats.

[Liberal Gramma]

149. For Obama supporters, it's a hypothetical question. For Clinton supporters, it's a reality.

It's always easier to answer a hypothetical question generously.

[MessiahRp]

151. Hillary Supporters...

Much like Hillary and Bill themselves are either not Democrats (no I don't consider DLCers true Democrats as much as Conservative Corporatists) or in it for their own egos.

Either way it's not the party or its nominee that matter, it's finding a way to get themselves atop the political power food chain.

Rp

[Beacool]

154. It says that many people don't trust Obama,

nor think that with his minuscule experience he's ready to handle the job.

:shrug:

[Yukari Yakumo]

157. Not a damn thing.

Most of these KY White "Democrats" voted for Bush in 2000 and 2004.

Fuck 'em.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

158. What percentage of HRC voters would vote for HRC?

How many of her votes are from Operation Chaos? 100% of those folks will vote for McCain in Nov.

[PoliticalAmazon]

160. It means most of HRC's supporters would vote Republican usually....

but Hillary is so Republican, they will vote for he if she is available. If not, McCain better suits their political goals.