With his 12th delegate in Kentucky, Obama now has the pledged delegate majority!

[cascadiance]

If you believe that Obama now has at least 12 delegates as CNN says here:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/state/#val=KY

and you go to the Slate Delegate counter here:

http://www.slate.com/id/2185278/

and then do the following:

1) Peg Oregon, Puerto Rico, Montana, and North Dakota so that Hillary gets ALL of the delegates there...

2) Show Obama getting 12 delegates in Kentucky (around 24%)

3) Florida and Michigan results not being counted, he then has a 1623.5 to 1621.5 delegate lead.

So, short of counting Florida and Michigan results, the plateau has NOW BEEN REACHED. It is mathematically IMPOSSIBLE for Hillary to get a pledged delegate lead any more. She now either needs Michigan/Florida or Super delegate help or it is over!

[tekisui]

1. And, there it is. Nominee Obama!

[Radio_Lady]

19. Not exactly. There are a few more steps. I am prepared to wait.

What day did you start calling for Sen. Clinton to drop out?

[cascadiance]

21. Here's the stats in color for you to check!

[Radio_Lady]

26. "Sen. Clinton has the right to carry this on through the remaining primaries."

I believe what Senator Chris Dodd just said on CNN tonight.

This is a very complicated situation. There are important categories besides "pledged" delegates.

Radio Lady's official position is at: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[cascadiance]

28. Would that be an engineered "Politburo" option?

Any option that's left is anti-democratic... PURE AND SIMPLE!

[tekisui]

23. She can stay in through the last Primary.

But she has lost. And, she knows it. I question her motivation.

[Radio_Lady]

31. Her motivation? She wants to stay in because there are many millions who feel

she has qualities which Obama lacks, and she feels she wants to continue in the race. We're looking at someone who has beat out several male candidates, who ran out of money and didn't get enough votes. But Hillary Clinton represents many millions of committed citizens. My vote is as good as yours at this point. Other people want the right to vote.

Nothing in the rules makes it imperative for her to leave the contest.

Have you ever experienced a so-called "brokered" convention?

This may or may not be one of them.

[tekisui]

33. It may or may not be "brokered".

It will be one vote, though. The last Convention to go more than one vote was 1952.

It will be Obama in one vote.

Hillary's supporters have supported her strongly, and I respect that. But, she didn't win it. I think she should drop out. I would, if I were her. But no one can demand or force her out.

I still question the motivation. After the last vote is cast on June 3rd, then what? A lot of people voted for candidates who didn't make it.

[Radio_Lady]

34. You're right on that point. You are not her. I don't know what happens after June 3rd.

Obama supporters: You might consider adopting the following precepts -- you may need Hillary Clinton supporters to try and win in November.

Let's keep our eyes on the prize.

Cordially,

Radio Lady

[tekisui]

39. I guess I made the false assumption that Hillary Supporters

were Democrats and would support the Democratic Nominee, whomever it may be.

[Radio_Lady]

40. You are late to my party. Please read my April post in Radio Lady's journal.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

Thank you for your interest.

Cordially,

Radio Lady in Oregon

PS. I accept your apology.

[Gore1FL]

37. It doesn't matterif she drops out or not

it was over after WI.

I just hope the Clinton supporters can handle it more gracefully than she seems to.

[Botany]

2. Go away Hillary!

We have a winner

[Radio_Lady]

6. Not going away. Millions of votes in contest... difficult election... wait, please.

(tick-tock...)

My official position is posted here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[sandnsea]

15. Please. She lost. Let it go.

From the day Billy Sheehan said we should worry about what kind of drug dealing Obama might have done, Hillary had lost. Unless the voters don't matter, it's over. You can't say we have to worry about all those voters in MI & FL, and then turn around and say the superdelegates should ignore the voters. Her supporters should encourage her to get out and quit pissing off the rest of the country.

[Radio_Lady]

17. Please consult with me when Skinner ends the GD: P forum.

Thank you, sandnsea.



Signature line:

Radio Lady's official position is at: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[sandnsea]

20. Were it all about Skinner, but it's not

You have a circle of friends, they have a circle of friends, and on and on. If you keep feeding them false hopes and misinformation, it's no wonder they think some horrible betrayal has occurred. It hasn't. Hillary is the one who has been lying from the beginning. Campaign propaganda is one thing in the thick of it all, but when the campaign is over the propaganda has got to end. You have a responsibility to help end it. Here, and in your own real life circle. She Lost. It's got to end now.

[Radio_Lady]

27. "It's got to end now?" I'm not deciding. You're not deciding.

I'm waiting for Barack Obama to announce that he is the nominee. That was SUPPOSED to happen tonight (which is apparently why he is in Iowa tonight and not in Oregon).

But Hillary wants to play out the primaries. Why in the world would you NOT want to continue the primaries until the committee meets on May 31 and the rest of the states vote?

I'm really surprised at you sandnsea. You are a bright person.

Many of us have worked long and hard for OTHER CANDIDATES.

I personally have worked long and hard for the Democratic Party for years.

Please have some respect for people who hold a different opinion than you do.

Thank you.

Radio Lady Ellen



"Sen. Clinton has the right to carry this on through the remaining primaries."
I believe what Senator Chris Dodd just said on CNN tonight.

Radio Lady's official position is at: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/23...

[Botany]

16. What part of mathematically eliminated don't you get?

Obama now has the majority of elected delegates.

[Radio_Lady]

18. "Sen. Clinton has the right to carry this on through the remaining primaries."

I believe what Senator Chris Dodd just said on CNN tonight.



Radio Lady's official position is at: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[Botany]

24. She has "the right" but it is not the right thing to do.

She has no chance to win and the only thing she is doing is
hurting Obama and helping McCain.

[Radio_Lady]

29. I do not share your opinion. Cordially, Radio Lady Ellen

[Botany]

36. He has the majority of delegates ... it is over

The only thing Hillary is doing now is hurting the Party.

"We now have the majority of delegates." 5/20/08 10:20 PM B. Obama

[Radio_Lady]

41. Again, he has won pledged delegates. Please quote accurately...

You are entitled to your opinion about "hurting the Party." I disagree. If anything, grumbling, looking for things to pick at -- and poking fingers in the eyes of other Democrats, who just happen to be Hillary supporters, is what is hurting the party.

[Radio_Lady]

3. Not everyone is accepting this. Let's wait until it plays out....

(tick-tock, tick-tock)

FYI, here is Radio Lady's official position on this election:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[Occam Bandage]

7. How could you "not accept this?" He clinched an elected delegate majority.

[NightWatcher]

10. it's dark here, but I dont accept that the sun went down

that sounds just as stupid

[Radio_Lady]

13. Yawn. The sun is still up here in Oregon!!!

Good night and have a good sleep.

My official position is here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[Radio_Lady]

11. Just like that. Not accepted until Sen. Clinton concedes and/or the other candidate is officially

tapped.

Let's leave it this way.

I'll believe the primaries are over when Skinner lops off GD: P.

So far, no dice...

Thanks for your comments.

Peace, love and happiness,

Radio Lady: My official position is at: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[Occam Bandage]

12. OP didn't claim the primaries were over.

[Radio_Lady]

14. Yes, I know. Check the little lines that lead up to OC's post.

Thank you. There are many other factors in play except the numbers the OP is citing. I was responding to the "why can't you accept?" post.

[Ichingcarpenter]

25. Senator Dodd just said it was over.. on CNN

I don't give a fuck for your position
you are a nobody.

[Radio_Lady]

30. I'm sorry, but Sen. Dodd did NOT say that. You are mistaken. However,

thank you for your comment. Remember, I am a Democrat and want McCain gone as much as you do.

Cordially, Radio Lady Ellen

[NightWatcher]

4. the supers need to call this thing and declare it over

if they wait, they are going to mess us up by making us wait till August and only have 8 weeks to fight McCain

[Radio_Lady]

8. We'll have to wait and see. I thought it would be over Feb. 5, 2008.

My official position is at: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[stillcool]

35. So did Hillary. I think that's the problem..

She is waiting for the "catastrophic event". I wonder what it is she is hoping for. Do you know? What are you hoping for?

Clinton campaign on ropes
BY JOHN GUERRIERO
[e-mail]

Published: May 08. 2008 6:00AM
Murray, who has supported Bill and Hillary Clinton since 1991, said these are tough times for people like him who are in the Clinton camp but want to unify the party.

"The sense is, absent some catastrophic event that would take place in this campaign, it's going to be very difficult to see a path to victory for Hillary given what happened" Tuesday, Murray said.
http://www.goerie.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080508/NEWS02/805080437

Sun May 11, 2008
Analysis: Could Clinton land the VP nomination?

Several Clinton associates say there is still a ray of hope among some in her campaign: that a "catastrophic" revelation about Obama might make it possible for her to win the presidential nomination. But barring that, Hillary and Bill Clinton recognize that her candidacy is being abandoned and rejected by superdelegates whom she once expected to win over and that, even if she were to win the popular vote in combined primary states, she will almost certainly be denied the nomination.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/10/bernstein.clinton/index.html?section=cnn_latest

CBSNews.com Reports: N.Y. Senator Now Faces Nearly Impossible Odds To Capturing Democratic Nomination

May 7, 2008

Clinton's Path To Victory Slipping Away
There is one scenario which does work for Clinton and that’s a massive movement of superdelegates leaving Obama and supporting her. The party leaders could do that, but it would take some unforeseen development in the race between now and the convention for them to do so. Obama, in some way, would have to be rendered so unelectable that the party rejects him at the convention. That’s not much to hang a hat on but it’s starting to look like her best option.

And even that might not be a viable option, said Joe Trippi. “Even if the catastrophic thing existed or happened, if she were perceived to have caused it, I think it would end her campaign too,” Trippi said. I don’t think there’s any way now for her to gain the nomination. She’s at the point now where if she tries to make a case against Obama, it will actually speed up superdelegates joining his cause just to shut the campaign down.”

But Trippi notes that the Obama campaign and Democratic leaders are still likely to give Clinton the room she needs to go forward on her own terms, provided that she does so in a positive manner. “I think there’s lots of tolerance for her going on, running the table into the convention and having a presence there,” he said. “But if she actually tries to compete in the trenches for the nomination in a way that looks like it’s damaging the nominee … I don’t think there will be any tolerance for that at all.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/07/politics/main4078586.shtml

[Yael]

5. I think he needs 14.5 tonight

Can he get that in Kentucky?

[Radio_Lady]

22. "Sen. Clinton has the right to carry this on through the remaining primaries."

I believe what Senator Chris Dodd just said on CNN tonight.

Radio Lady's official position is at: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238

[gmudem]

9. She can only win through stealing

Which we knew would be the case since Wisconsin. She has been wasting her time for 3 months.

[Radio_Lady]

32. I disagree with your opinion. Campaigning as a woman running for president,

for the very first time, is not a waste of time.

Thank you for your comment.

Looking forward to ending Democratic division, but it looks as if it's going to be a long season.

[gmudem]

38. I didn't say she never should have ran

I'm saying she should have stopped running after the Wisconsin primary when it became clear that she could not win the majority of pledged delegates.

Democrats could have been united behind Obama for 3 months now, instead Hillary selfishly decided to continue a campaign she could not win.

Obama is being very nice to her in his speech right now, which is more than she deserves.

[Radio_Lady]

42. Thanks from someone who is ....

... so completely unbiased!

:rofl:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Radio_Lady/238