Oregon Exit polls: Voters want the Democratic race to continue

[2rth2pwr]

From CNN's Joe Von Kanel

(CNN) — The Democrats' long fight for the nomination does not seem to be a major concern for voters in Oregon. CNN's Oregon voter poll shows 62 percent say they'll be satisfied if the campaign continues. Only 28 percent say the campaign should end as soon a possible.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/05/20/exit-polls-voters-want-the-democratic-race-to-continue/



Why is DU so crazed to get Hillary to give up her right to run?

[anonymous171]

1. Well, hopefully Obama will just force her out with SDs before the convention.

[2rth2pwr]

2. Isn't that the way it should work?

[kevinbgoode]

34. I don't think that will mean anything to Hillary

Since SD's can "change their minds" I suspect her plan is to push for just that to happen, even if it is at the convention.

[NewHampshireDem]

3. Intersting ... but I happened to click through the CNN election center exit polls

And found this interesting fact:

38% of those who want the campaign to end ASAP voted for Clinton.


Yes, clearly this is all the doing of Obama supporters. :eyes:

http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#ORDEM

You'll have to scroll the flash pages to page 2 of the exit poll results.

[hokies4ever]

4. You just don't get it

Obama's official position is for Hillary to stay in the race. Yet he has effectively forced her to constantly defend why she should stay in this race. Not exactly a winning argument. Winners don't try to convince you that they should stay in a race. She's been unable to successfully pivot off of this. Obama gives the media just enough morsels to continue this line of political punditry and Hillary's camp has done it's fair share of taking the bait.

Brilliant strategy by the Obama campaign. Hillary Clinton launched a kitchen sink strategy of attacks on Obama a couple of months ago. Some personal, some political, and some policy. Obama has silently launched a kitchen sink strategy of distraction for Hillary. For example, everybody knows that FL and MI will be seated on 5/31, probably heavily in favor of Hillary also. Yet it's part of her stump speech when she campaigns in OR. You think undecideds are basing their decision on who to vote for based on why we should love FL and MI voters so much? Hillary's camp is like a pitbull that is tearing up your sofa cushions. Obama was happy to throw her the FL and MI bone to chew on to stop the attacks. Every second spent lobbying for FL and MI is another second not attacking Obama.

The Obama supporters are happy to continue feeding these morsels to the Hillary supporters here, hoping that they continue to spread. :patriot:

P.S. I don't think that FL and MI should count, and I plan on writing a letter to Dean to advocate this position. Let's argue! :rofl:

[XemaSab]

5. What Oregon exit polls?

:shrug:

It was vote-by-mail. :crazy:

[NewHampshireDem]

6. Good point ... it is technically a 'voter poll' n/t

[2rth2pwr]

17. The rudest posters are usually the ones with the wrong info

these exit polls here- http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#ORDEM

[dchill]

32. Right. And you are hoist with your own petard...

"with the wrong info" - satisfied <> want.

[LSK]

33. .

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[datopbanana]

7. SATISFIED is not the same as WANT

[demokatgurrl]

28. EXACTLY. Pollsters manipulate answers by using

words that they know will trip up the responders unless they listen VERY carefully, which most people do not.

[dchill]

31. Right. SATISFIED with a hot dog...

WANTED a steak. 2rth2pwr always sees what he/she wants to see, not what is actually there. Hope you enjoy your hot dog! :hi:

[MADem]

8. Because DU isn't representative of the Party. It never has been.

It represents the left wing of the party, by and large. The moderates, centrists and conservative Dems are made to feel unwelcome at times.

[susankh4]

12. At times?

Hahaaa.....

They have left. In droves. Only a few remain.

[MADem]

19. Nothing to be proud of.

No bird can fly on one wing.

[marions ghost]

15. You make it sound like a whole lot of "groups"

being hounded out...

"Moderates, centrists, conservative Dems" = ONE group. They are generally voting Hillary (or McBu$h).

With this whole nasty primary going on, it's only logical that the 2 factions wouldn't exactly be cozy.

Nobody needs to feel guilty about it.

[MADem]

22. Not "hounded out." They've never been well tolerated here. It's just how it is.

And if you think that there is no difference between a moderate, a centrist and a conservative Dem, that says more about YOU than you realize.

Hillary or McBush, eh? Wow, what "insight." :eyes:

And this 'hounding'--and it isn't hounding, it has always been a real 'lack of tolerance' here--well predates the primary. In fact, it's been an issue ever since this site was founded. Conservative Demcrats have been routinely insulted here, as you just did with your woefully uninformed "McBush" bullshit.

Tell me, do you despise "McBush Casey," who endorsed Obama in PA? Surely the antiwar and conservative Democrat, Jack Murtha, must now be on your enemies/watch list, because he dared to endorse Clinton?

People who look at politics as a contact sport and don't see the big picture or the party as a whole have issues of their own, I guess.

[marions ghost]

24. Your personal insults say a lot about you

1. So what's the diff between a moderate, centrist and conservative Dem? :shrug:

2. There apparently are some Hillary supporters who have said they will vote McBu$h. (not true?)

3. Hillary supporters tend to be the more conservative Dems. (not true?)

4. I'm OK with Jack Murtha. Not an issue.

5. Hillary isn't exactly setting a great example for seeing "the party as a whole." (not true?)

6. I hate politics as a contact sport. The media has made it into American Gladiators. Not my fault.

Sheesh. Relax, it's only politics. :shrug:

[MADem]

30. First, you don't seem to understand what a personal insult is.

If I call you a "fucking asshole" or a "goddamned idiot"--THOSE are personal insults.

FWIW, I don't 'do' that. Those are simply EXAMPLES, they are not directed at you.

If I take issue with your IDEAS, if I say your view is ill formed, your arguments are unrealistic or insubstantial, your opinion is badly crafted, that is NOT a personal insult. That's simply a discussion.

It's a distinction, AND a difference.

If you don't know the difference between the various wings of the Democratic Party, you probably need more study than I can give you in a single post, but I will try to give you a very broad brush look.

Here, a few fast examples:

CONSERVATIVE Democrats: Bob Casey, Jack Murtha. Both are against choice. Casey actually stated in his campaign he favored overturning Roe V. Wade. It works for them in PA. Murtha, especially, is very pro-Department of Defense, his opposition to the war notwithstanding. His brother is a DOD lobbyist.

Liberal Democrats: The late Paul Wellstone, Ted Kennedy. Those are two obvious examples, their careers speak for themselves. Robert Kennedy was a guy who started out as a VERY conservative Democrat, and was a liberal when he was murdered. JFK was a conservative Democrat on national security and defense issues, as well. He wasn't as liberal as people paint him in retrospect--he was headed in that direction, but he wasn't there. LBJ was a defense hawk too, but he was more of a social liberal than anyone gave him credit for...it took him awhile to get there, though. He was able to play the segregationist in early life. And he did. That's how he became Senate Majority leader, actually.

Moderates, pragmatists and centrists: The vast majority of the remainder, and that includes BOTH Presidential candidates. While some are liberal on "social" issues, they sometimes aren't as liberal on economic issues.

And speaking of issues, there's a website that is called ON THE ISSUES that might help you suss out who is who in the zoo, if you want to avail yourself of it. Here is the link.

http://www.ontheissues.org/default.htm

Yes, there ARE some Clinton voters who will not vote for Obama. A surprising number of them live near me. There are Obama supporters who will not vote for Clinton, either. I heard that Cafferty bozo reading an angry email from one of them on CNN today. That's life.

Many of Obama's supporters, particularly in the AA community, are flat-out, unashamedly OPPOSED to equal rights for homosexuals, and are foursquare AGAINST gay marriage or civil unions or They view his use of those "pray away the gay" pastors (McClurkin, Caldwell) as a little "nudge-wink" to them about that particular issue. Clinton likely has supporters who feel the same way, but she hasn't sent the same sorts of mixed messages on the matter by touring with homophobic preachers and using them to GOTV. Then, on the other side, there's that IWR vote. Clinton is forever held responsible for that. No one considers that she is from the "Twin Towers" state and would have been crucified had she not voted the way she did. Also, that her vote didn't matter. It wasn't a close contest. Also, that she wants the troops home SOONER than Obama does. But people have their minds made up on that issue, and a lot of their decision making is based on rhetoric, not reality.

But that's where the whole team, contact, sport crap comes in. The two are closer on the issues than people want to admit. The supporters act like it's a big deal, these small differences, when in actuality you could easily exchange, and CONFUSE, their portfolios if you took out identifiers like age, gender, race and specifics of their life experience.

I don't let it bother me at all, really. I live my life. I like discussing politics, but it's impossible to do that here because way too many people get pissed off and take stuff personally.

[cali]

9. I don't give a hoot of hiil statys in til the end of voting on June 3

In fact, I think it'd be good for Obama for her to register two resounding losses that day. Then, within a couple of days, hill can drop out. Makes sense.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. My thoughts exactly

As long as Hillary and some of her surrogates don't attempt to take it to the convention.

We've already been through so much. Taking this to June 3rd is nothing.

However, if Hillary tries to take it to the convention, then it's WAR.

Make no mistake, some Hillary supporters want to take this to the convention and we must remain vigilant against it.

[izzie]

11. I think every should have their say but I do think it hurts the party

I think the way we do this is just crazy. I still like the plan of 4 bigs groups of states, with each group taking turns on who goes first every 4 years. And each state should have some rules that are the same for all who vote.

[vivalarevolucion77]

16. Obama leads McCain by 10%

How is Hillary hurting the party then?

www.zogby.com

[Perry Logan]

13. The Obama people must not have called them racists yet.

[endarkenment]

14. Which T.ruth are you?

[Doityourself]

18. Few more weeks why not. It's over already so let her stay until the last primary..

[Buzz Clik]

20. It wouldn't matter if the Oregon voters wanted Hillary to eat shit and die -- she'd continue.

What is the point of this thread?

[DemGa]

21. It's always good for a laugh - the real world counters the wailing against Hillary --nt

[zanne]

23. Why does the media keep saying that!!!

I haven't run into ONE Democrat who wants this to continue. Where are they finding these people?

[marions ghost]

25. Hillary supporters

in Montana and SD? :shrug:

[PBS Poll-435]

26. It Needs to END NOW!!! She is Nukular!1!1

:cry:



:rofl:

[Occam Bandage]

27. I don't care if she stays until the last vote. If she takes it any further, then she's insane.

[kevinbgoode]

36. She has already indicated that the number of delegates needed

is now over 2200. . .so she intends to take this to the convention and try to woo delegates back to her side. This isn't going to end at all. She'll be fighting for Florida and Michigan, demanding the number needed for nomination be moved to inclue those delegates, demand these delegates all be given to her, and then attempt to move the SD's back to her side. I suspect she'll try very hard to prevent a first ballot victory by Obama, and then use the second and third ballots to woo delegates back, especially if the number needed to nominate is the higher one her campaign is demanding be implemented.

This is where her campaign will turn the convention into an entitlement circus.

[DefenseLawyer]

29. As long as 10 year olds keep selling their bikes

Hillary can keep hope alive.

[RiverStone]

35. Run till June 3rd OK - drag it to the convention NOT OK

Sure, lets count all the legit primaries/caucuses...

But, if she wants to drag her loss all the way to the convention for a floor fight - the SuperD's et. al. will swoop down in mass and end it.

No party leader on record wants the Dems to show up late August exhausted and still at each other's throats. If Hillary means what she says about fighting for the Dem nominee this fall, she will indeed drop out in short order after June 3rd.