If Obama needs to go out of his way to reach out to and not offend Clinton and her supporters

[EffieBlack]

in order to get their support should he get the nomination, why is there not a similar expectation that Clinton do the same for Obama and his supporters should SHE get the nomination.

There seems to be a cognitive dissonance at play here. On the one hand, I keep hearing that Obama must tread very lightly in order not to turn off Clinton and her supporters - he can't claim victory, he can't criticize her, he can't say anything that may in any way sound even remotely disrespectful of Clinton or her chances of getting the nomination.

Yet, on the other hand, Clinton and her surrogates seem to be going out of their way to criticize Obama (for example, accusing him of sexism), dismissing his supporters, positioning herself as a more prepared, effective and electable candidate and insisting that, in the end, she will be the nominee.

If Hillary Clinton really thinks that she will win the nomination, shouldn't she also be making attempts to reach out to Obama supporters, whom she would need to win the general election? If she intends to get the nominaiton and hopes to win the general, should she be approaching Obama and his supporters in this manner?

Thoughts?

[AllentownJake]

1. That would be logical

However there is no logic going on over there right now.

[John Q. Citizen]

2. The difference is Obama is magnanimous in victory and Clinton is petty in defeat.

But we already knew that.

I will say that Clinton has toned it down some. But she is far more dependent on a "red meat" strategy to attempt to hold on to her supporters than is Obama, who keeps gaining new supporters.

[CatsDogsBabies]

3. I think many people are not taking HRC seriously

and are being extra cautious around her just to keep her appeased.

[CanonRay]

4. I'm starting to believe

that she is out to sabotage his campaign, positioning herself for 2012. If he loses, I will forever blame her, and will never support her in 2012. Of course, there'll be nothing left of the country in 2012 to matter, anyway.

[ampad]

5. I don't take her seriously

After she mocked people with that celestial choir crap I knew she was long gone. Last night ( because ignore was off ) I had to read post from some of her supporters propping up dumb, ignorant, uneducated, racist oppose to liberal, educated states. Seriously, we have gone through the looking glass and you know you have when you start looking down on educated liberals and start propping up dumb racist. Her supporters are as far gone as she is and you know had the tables been turned they would of told us to kiss their ass because she won. The only difference is the educated bunch knows what is at stake and would not vote for McCain no matter what Hillary supporters said on cable news or on stupid message boards. Smart folks tend to not vote against their best interest, I cannot say that for the "he is a Muslim" crowd and the "I will never vote for a black" crowd.

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

6. Your post is offensive.

1) By saying "go out of his way," you're implying that Clinton supporters are irrational and have the need to be placated.

2) Your use of "offend" is clearly a way of saying that Clinton supporters are easily offended (this in addition to "go out of his way").

3) "in order to get their support" is just a way of saying that he's going to "use" Clinton supporters and that they'll be too ignorant even to see it as such an act. They'll be so charmed by his wiles and his going out of his way not to offend that they'll just throw their support his way. Please.

I could go on.

Typical Obama supporter--so insensitive.



Oh yeah, :sarcasm:

To be clear: :sarcasm:

Just in case: :sarcasm:

[NatBurner]

8. u had me going there for a sec

[EffieBlack]

12. :-)

[ShortnFiery]

7. Well Put.

HRC and her supporters TRULY BELIEVE that she is *entitled to* both the democratic nomination and the WH.

Their behavior reminds me of a spoiled wealthy child during the first month he/she is resettled into "a boarding school." That is, the rules should NOT apply to them and they should always be given preferential treatment. Always!

They are deluded. Clearly deluded by being "white middle class" older women all their lives. It's bad enough that A MAN is winning when "it's Hilary's turn" but, to add insult to injury, it's "a BLACK man" who's winning. That upsets a whole lotta racial sensitivities within the former "Jim Crow" South.

HRC is playing off of that "White Privilege" to cheat her way into the nomination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oRwZQLdhEw

I'm hoping and praying that the Clintons horrific SMEARS and CODE SPEAK does not work in those states who were NOT part of "The Jim Crow South."

http://www.prisonactivist.org/cws/sharon.html

The legacy of 'the strategy of the slave owners' demonstrates that when oppressed whites protest against their own oppression, while refusing to simultaneously challenge racial oppression and white privilege, they can win short term victories (a union, legislative reform, a constitutional amendment, etc.) But when they organize in this way, they themselves become oppressors of people of color. Their silence is consent to racial oppression and white privilege.

And they sacrifice the possibilities for building coalitions with activists of color which could challenge the power of the descendants of the slave owners -- the capitalist power which oppresses all of us today.

[Tyler Durden]

9. Just keep it up.

1 of 16. That's all the Clinton Supporters you have to alienate to lose the election.

Keep it up.

[mkultra]

15. Same to you buddy

You fools through a tantrum and we all lose. Try to remember that.

[global1]

10. Rogue Leader Hilliary Is Forcing Obama To Meet With Her To Appease Her.......

in order for him to win the Dem nomination. Then the Repugs will be able to use that appeasement of Hilliary to say - this is what happens when one meets with 'rogue leaders'. Obama then goes on to lose the GE because he can't defend this appeasement. Hilliary comes back in 2012 to run again.

[AspenRose]

11. It's a legitimate question

But you're going to alienate some Clinton supporters anyway, no matter how much you try to appeal with logic and ideas of fairness/fair play.

[Texas Hill Country]

13. because she can win with the Obama supporters that will vote for her, he cant win with the ones that

will vote for him.

[mkultra]

16. good logic

because Obama supporters are not willing to through a tantrum, she should be the candidate. Child logic.

[rucky]

14. It doesn't matter.

It's all about stupid pride, anyways.

If she needs a goodwill gesture, it doesn't hurt us to give her one. I just wish they'd be more specific about what they expect.

[genna]

18. It matters. I don't think BHO should be in the business of playing nice with his preparation

to deal with Clinton.

He should let her destroy whatever is left of her reputation.

He should allow her and her supporters to continue to tell the DNC to kiss their backs.

He should continue to let them air their grievances about it all being so unfair.


When it is finally time to settle the books for the primary and the rules committee starts dealing with FL and MI, I think their statements about the rules and the conduct of the states' caucus and primary system, they can FILTER OUT HRC's claims on DNC fairness.

I think when BHO accepts the nomination for the Democratic candidacy he can address issues that unite the DNC; thereby, filtering out HRC's claims on BHO fairness.

I think when BHO gives his inaugural address and outlines his priorities for his first 90 days, he will be able to filter out HRC's claims of American fairness.

At some point, she lost and her supporters can think through all of what they feel in regards to her candidacy and the American media. He needs to manage his business and let her air out her affairs in as public manner as she chooses.

[Marrah_G]

17. She would need to do the same

But I think Obama has been reaching out already, I give him credit for that. Although I will vote for him in Nov, it a vote more against McCain then for him. I'd really lie to see him speak in more specifics. Here me out on this.

He already has the vote of the type of people his hope and change speech appeals to. Those folks aren't going anywhere. There is another group of people who do not find anything appealing about that sort of speech, these people want to hear more specifically what his plan in. Not just that he will change something, but exactly HOW he plans to change it.

That would go a long way to giving me some confidence in him and to reassure me that they are not just empty words, that he is not a blank canvas.

I hope this makes some sense to you.