This isn't a game!

[Robyn66]

I am a white middle class woman in her 40’s. I think I am supposed to be part of Hillary’s base. But for some reason I am an Obama supporter. I wonder why that is? Maybe my college degree is what disqualifies me.

All I know is that every day I am becoming angrier and angrier, not at Hillary wanting to complete the Primary process, but at the possibility that she will keep this fight up after the Primaries are over, and at her supporters who are saying they will vote for McCain or not at all when she isn’t the nominee.

Just for a moment dear Hillary supporters, take all of your arguments and substitute the name Barak Obama for Hillary Clinton and see if you would agree. Imagine Hillary in Obama’s position, and Obama in Hillary’s. How would you feel if Obama were playing number games and saying it would be perfectly alright for the nomination to be given to him over her after she won the majority of the delegates and if she won the majority of the states. If you can try and have one moment of rational understanding I beg you to try and look at it from our point of view and understand why we want this process over so that the entire party can start concentrating on beating McCain in the fall.

If the Hillary supporters stay home or vote for McCain because she isn’t the nominee or in the vp slot and McCain wins, Roe v Wade WILL be overturned. McCain has pledged to do that. Just take a look at his own words from:

http://www.ontheissues.org/Social/John_McCain_Abortion.htm
Abortion issue shows what kind of country we are
Q: Some people argue that, in the general election, the most important issue is going to be national security, and an issue like abortion should be de-emphasized. Do you agree with that?
A: I think the respect and commitment to the rights of the unborn is something I've fought for, and it has a lot to do with national security. Because it says very much what kind of a country we are and our respect for human life, whether it be here in the US or anyplace else in the world. So I think it is connected.
Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007

Q: In 1999, you said, "In the short term, or even the long term, I would not support repeal of Roe vs. Wade, which would then force X number of women in American to undergo illegal and dangerous operations."
A: That was in the context of conversation about having to change the culture of America as regards to this issue. I have stated time after time after time that Roe v. Wade was a bad decision, that I support the rights of the unborn.

That is only one issue.
Then there are the Bush tax cuts he used to be against but now is for and the endless Iraq war and the steady slogging toward a war with Iran.

I wouldn’t want to have all of that blood on my hands. But understand clearly that if you stay home or vote for McCain, you will have the blood on your hands of every woman who dies in a botched abortion or in the escalation of this war or in the start of any new one.

Is that a price you are willing to have other Americans pay for your vanity? No to mention how bad it makes women in general look if you get angry and take your ball and go home because you won’t vote for anyone but a woman for president.

I half way think that even after Hillary comes to terms with what is happening and finally endorses Obama, if her word is good and she campaigns for him in the GE many will still not vote for him.

Wake Up and Grow Up! This isn’t a game. This isn’t about 2012. This is about 2008.

Either of these candidates would make a good president and I would support either one. If Hillary were the nominee I would vote for her, but she isn’t going to be and the longer she and her supporters play this numbers game the more its going to hurt the party, but even worse the Hillary supporters are going to hurt the American even more by refusing to participate in the process and support the Democratic party.

If you can live with that then just become a Republican and be done with it.

[Melinda]

1. Thank you for taking the time to write all these cogent points....

Concise presentation. I'm in total agreement with you. K&R. :hi:

[ingac70]

2. Be mindful...

That lots of the "Hillary supporters" on here have just showed up in the last 6 months to troll.

[truedelphi]

7. Thank you for saying that.

They were such a turn off from the very beginning. It was obvious that they had a "talking point" which might have changed from week to tweek, but was usually such a sorry piece of tripe that I couldn't give her campaign people any credit.

[Robyn66]

11. :)

Thank you for saying that. It is frustrating to be so angry at people who I expect to be progressive and realistic. They MUST be trolls.

[Overseas]

21. I have seen quite a few rabble rousers -- tease the Obama fans for sport

Pretending to be die-hard HRC fans. At first I jumped at a lot of them. Then I kept seeing the same kind of inflammatory stuff designed to start a cascade of angry comments. Makes them feel important. And some may be Republicans hoping to stir up enough dissent to make Democrats feel they need to add Hillary to Barack's ticket. That would be Karl Rove and Richard Mellon Scaife's dream ticket.

[Robyn66]

24. I am all for debate

but when its so one sided and blind to silly things like "facts" and "reason" it makes me crazy. I am trying to learn not to take the bait as much!!! The really sad thing is that there really ARE some people who are that blind and cool-aide drunk!

[grantcart]

3. free fall

[Robyn66]

12. That is good news!(nt)

[GrpCaptMandrake]

4. We have a lot

of political two year olds in the process. They're the ones who swear they'll take the presidency and go home if we don't do it their way.

If Senator Clinton keeps this up much longer, she's headed to Naderland. The question is whether that matters to her or to her more vociferous supporters.

[Robyn66]

13. Or...

whether it matters to Hillary that she becomes a national joke or truely hated if we dont get a democrat in the Whitehouse this year! How's that work for electability?

[cliffordu]

5. k&R

[knixphan]

6. Time for Dems to be Dems. K&R

[Robyn66]

16. Amen (nt)

[blm]

8. Clinton loyalists waited out as they undermined and sabotaged Dems in 2000, 2002 and 2004. They WILL

wait on 2012, since their earlier plan for 2008 didn't work as planned. They didn't care if Bush was in office for 8 years as they worked against Gore and Kerry and Dem voters, so they certainly won't care if McCain is in for four.

[2rth2pwr]

9. Then Obama should do what's good for the party and step aside.

[Robyn66]

10. unbeleivable

[SeattleGirl]

14. I've thought the same thing quite frequently.

If positions were reversed, the Clinton supporters would not be happy with Obama doing with she is doing. They would not be happy about him trying to change or ignore the rules.

And I wouldn't blame them in the least.

[Robyn66]

15. Me either

The crap that is being pulled is wrong. I don't care who is doing it. And it gives the Republicans a lot of fodder to play with like McCain's SNL skit about the convention not even settling it. Making the Democratic Party a joke is not going to help our chances in November.

[Raven]

17. I don't know about these people with 47 posts and numbers in their name...

just kidding sweetie! I know Robyn66 and can vouch for her big time! You are so right to be frustrated...this is a bad season getting worse by the minute

[Robyn66]

22. Thank you!

Hi lady!!! I am sure there are people who think I am kind of pushy for being so new around here but as you know, I have strong opinions. :hi: :yourock:

[Labors of Hercules]

18. Did you know that 32% of those who voted for Hill in KY...

voted for Bush in 2004?

It isn't really her "supporters" who say they will vote for McCain. It is Republicans who happen to be registered as Democrats.

Just sayin'.

[truedelphi]

19. That is very good to know. n/t

[Robyn66]

25. I wonder how much of that

is the chaos thing I keep hearing about. I do beleive that there is a significant number of Republicans voting for Hillary because they WANT her to be the nominee because she is such a rallying point for the Repugs. They aren't very unified right now and a lot of them may sit out unless they can somehow help manipulate a Hillary nomination. I can't beleive that there aren't more people who understand that. The Republicans got done so early they have nothing better to do than mess with the Democratic Primary and LOOK ITS WORKING!!!

[mmonk]

20. But it seems we're all pawns.

[DearAbby]

23. K&R