Obama is really being pressured to "compromise" on FLA

[senseandsensibility]

and Michigan, although the rules are completely on his side. The media is carrying Hillary's water on this as well, especially so today.

What, if anything, should he agree too?

[Texas Hill Country]

1. he should agree to seat them.

[tekisui]

6. And we can have a free for all mess in the next Primaries.

[aquarius dawning]

26. you say that like it would be a bad thing. What's wrong with "free" "for all"?

[tekisui]

28. The first primary would be this December.

There needs to be organization to it. I would like to see it changed or modified, but states shouldn't be rewarded for breaking the rules. They made their point, and should suffer the consequences. '

Then, let's work on a better way.

[Warren DeMontague]

52. Why don't you ask Terry "the rules are the rules" McAuliffe?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/4/25/165935/668

"If I allow you to do that, the whole system collapses," I said. "We will have chaos."

"Carl, take it to the bank," I said. "They will not get a credential. The closest they'll get to Boston will be watching it on television. I will not let you break this entire nominating process for one state."

[gabeana]

11. why should he want seat them

those states broke the rules,
do you want them seated because it helps Hillary eventhough in the begining she said those States wouldn't count because they broke the rules.

I guess for half the party character is not a issue, and it is not the Obama half

Michigan in the Fall will go for Obama regardless if seated or not

[Texas Hill Country]

31. because he wants to make sure every vote gets counted.

[gabeana]

37. so thats why Hillary wants them seated

to make sure their votes are counted, funny how you ignored the meat of the post

only reason she cares is because it gives her an advantage

[Drunken Irishman]

45. Why didn't Hill comeout BEFORE the primaries in those states?

Why did she wait until after? It sounds like your candidate is in a pathetic situation and only wants them to be seated because she's losing and losing big.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

48. This is THE question that Hillary supporters will NEVER answer.

[canucksawbones]

49. then seating Mi and Fla

is not an option, neither primary was run in a fair campaign.

The only reason Hillary is pushing this issue so hard is that it benefits her, she is not in the least bit interested in the voter. She quite clearly syted that the primary would be over Feb. 5th, she had no respect for what the voters after that day had to say. Hillary is only interested in one issue and that is Hillary.

GK

[cali]

13. he should agree to whatever the RBC decides. They make the rules

He should follow them. And so should Hillary.

[JackORoses]

19. sure, 50/50 sounds about right

what? that's not good enough?
you want Hillary to gain an advantage from flawed primaries?

No fucking way!

[dionysus]

24. do the primary rules mean anything to you at all?

[stillcool]

35. He already has..

according to how the Democratic National Party decides to seat them. He has said from the get go, that he will abide by the Democratic Party rules. Nothing has changed. Nothing.

[mkultra]

38. so that any state can move thier primaries how they want without impunity

Sounds smart. how about we give them zero or they revote completely. Otherwise you disenfranchise Obama voters who couldnt vote for him in MI and didn't in FL because it was not a contest.

[woolldog]

2. This is an opportunity for him to show strength.

He should not cave in.

[Mme. Defarge]

34. Agreed - n/t

[rainy]

3. 50/50

[AllentownJake]

4. 50% seating

he gets the uncommitted from MI and Super Delegates get no representation since they were in a position to change the primary date.

[KAZ]

9. Sounds about right.

[tokenlib]

10. I agree, but it isn't Barack's choice--it is up to the Rules Committee..

..but if he has influence--you have the best solution.....

[AllentownJake]

16. I don't know how you can argue against this

There is punishment for moving the date but the voters opinion is heard. The party leaders who caused this mess are kept from the convention as delegates.

[tokenlib]

44. I agree with you--and I hope the MI SD's get spanked like they deserve...

Even Levin who was "uncommitted" tried to steer pro-Hillary solutions---I am furious with these people.

[msallied]

That sounds fine, although I still think MI should be completely tossed out.

It can't be worked with. Only a re-vote would have fixed it.

[NotThisTime]

5. Seat them 50/50 no popular vote

[pdx_prog]

7. Seat them....50/50

That is the only logical solution

[Tim4319]

8. I too would say split them 50/50!

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

12. Lets have Clinton surrogates in FL and MI dictate to the DNC

thats so much better than having 50 parties represented.

Let the big money interests control everything!

Right.

:sarcasm:

[msallied]

14. The committee will probably agree to 50/50.

I still think that the party should stick to its guns on this issue, but clearly someone has to be appeased. Sigh.

[Occam Bandage]

15. Seat them 50/50. No enforcement means chaos in 2012.

[Az_lefty]

42. Good idea, rules do matter.

[tishaLA]

17. Fine. Compromise on FL. But MI?

I have real problems with that.

[backscatter712]

22. Exactly. There's no way that Michigan's Soviet Election should be allowed to stand.

Hillary was the only name on the ballot in Michigan - the whole thing's a farce!

[mmonk]

18. No capitulation.

Rack up delegates to end the myth and then sit them.

[suston96]

20. He should agree to seat them. He will be nominated even if they are seated. If he doesn't.....

....there will always be an asterisk next to his name - * he won the nomination using steroids......!

[Life Long Dem]

21. The media should be

knocking down Hillary's door and asking her when she is going to drop out.

They go with what they plan or have planned on. To go with the 50%.

The media should be

[Zachstar]

23. The Mi plan as presented and either 50/50 for FL or 50 percent cut in delegates

Oh and that means cut the supers.

[Larkspur]

25. FL and MI need to be punished else there will be chaos at the next primary

50/50 delegate and popular vote split max is what I think is fair.

[rocktivity]

27. 50/50 with no superdelegates

Is the only way to punish the date movers and acknowledge that people voted without dissing the people who didn't vote or the states that DID follow the DNC rules. Anything else backhandedly sanctions the invalid primaries, which backhandedly opens the door for other states to follow suit.

:headbang:
rocknation

[bain_sidhe]

29. Variation: half-vote of elected dels, with no supers

The supers are the most responsible for the rogue primaries, not the voters.

In MI, the "uncommitted" dels should be encouraged to commit prior to the convention (I'm assuming they'll commit to Obama).

...Ack! what happened? it posted itself before I was finished! (Some weird combination of keystrokes, I'm sure).

I like this better than the 50-50 plan, because it genuinely recognizes that these states' voters DID have a preference of candidates, but not in such a way that it changes the outcome.

[underpants]

30. Wow the press carrying her water now THERE'S A SHOCKER

:sarcasm:

[Buzz Clik]

32. Nothing. May 31 will see the committee ruling, and it will be fair. Hillary will reject it.

[stillcool]

36. exactly..

Michigan offered a solution giving her 60/40 and she refused.

[2rth2pwr]

33. Since it doesn't benefit him, he will probably side with a complete disenfranchisement

of the millions of voters in MI and FL.

And not even bat an eye.

[mkultra]

40. taking the MI and FL votes as is disenfranchises Obama voters

He wasn't on the ballot in MI( as he was following the pledge they signed) and MANY obama supporters didn't vote in FL because it was an invalidated primary. Either way you have disenfranchisment, so following the rules is the only possible solution.

[Buzz Clik]

47. And the response to your comment from the Hillary supporters? crickets.

That's because the only "disenfranchisement" that matters are those voters who might nudge the nomination her direction. Tell the Obama supporters to get hosed is perfectly acceptable to them.

[senseandsensibility]

55. It's still early

Maybe some of them will respond.

[canucksawbones]

50. Obama will abide the rules

He has up to now, he doesn't change the goalposts and he has played the game in each state under those state's rules. He is winning delegates, the same way Bill Clinton won delegates in his run.

It's funny that Bill Clinton could win in a caucus+primary series and didn't complain about it.

Let's not forget that Clinton's surrogate, Terry Mcauliffe threatened the same action against Michigan that the DNC used this time, this game is not new to Michigan.

Let's not forget that Mi and Fla were TOLD of the consequences before they ran their votes, this was not a surprise to those states. Anyone with a clue will tell you that the best way to insure misbehaviour is to not follow up with promised punishment when it occurs.

Mi and FLa must pay a price otherwise the next primaries will be a disaster with every state trying to leapfrog ahead and the 2012 primaries will start the day after the 2008 convention.

Let's not forget that Mi and Fla were also not run with any real campaign, therefore the votes in those states hardly represent the voters in those states.

GK

[Lucky 13]

39. He should defer to the Rules and Bylaws Committee

[Yukari Yakumo]

41. My prediction...

It'll be some form of 50/50 (or close to it) with 50% of the delegates removed. (Meaning no SDs from FL and MI.)
HRH HRC will stammer and whine, but no one is going to be willing to sacrifice their careers for her dying campaign.

[PoliticalAmazon]

43. He should agree to play by the rules they decided on before those faux elections were held...

If the DNC keeps up the pressuring of Obama to flip on rules the DNC forced on the candidates, then the Democratic Party and I will part ways (after I vote for OBama).

I know the DNC had a hard-on for Hillary as the Dem president, but the people have spoken, and Hillary has turned out to be very bad for the party. For them to reward her with their support is something I don't want to support.

[hokies4ever]

46. He's just using FL and MI to distract Hillary

She's like a pitbull chewing on your sofa cushions. She's too busy advocating for FL and MI now to craft any effective attacks on him. Good campaign move. Hillary's camp wants the delegations seated in full, 65-35 ratio in her favor. Not likely.

[ieoeja]

51. Doesn't matter.

If they seat the Florida and Michigan delegates as-is, and give them a full vote instead of half a vote (the minimum punishment according to the rules and the exact same punishment the Republics settled on), and gets ZERO Edwards delegates, and gets ZERO Michigan delegates...

Then he still wins the majority of elected delegates by picking up just 45% of those in the remaining three primaries, two of which he is favored to win big.

So all of this has no bearing on the final results.


However, Michigan and Florida did break the rules and should be punished. I suspect Michigan broke the rules expecting the one/half vote rule. So I think it would be best to go with that letting Obama fill the uncommitted slate.

It has been clear that Florida Democrats were out to create this fight. They want to takeover the Democratic Party. Or they want to destroy it altogether. Nevertheless, for the sake of the dupes in Florida we should seat them with a 50% vote. Then the Democratic Party needs to do work on rebuilding the Florida Democratic Party from the ground up.

[WeDidIt]

53. 50-50 split with a half vote each

That's the only way that is fair.

[butterfly77]

54. 50/50 there is no reason she should get more...

This woman really has got some nerve...