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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:56 PM
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Popular Vote Totals. No, really, ACTUAL POPULAR VOTE TOTALS. And a word about strategic failure.
The following number does not include Florida and Michigan, whose primaries did not count, a decision which, of course, both candidates agreed to honor. This number DOES include best estimates for caucus states that did not report raw numbers. Because those voters in caucus states were, well, voters, who obviously contribute to the popular vote.

OBAMA is still up, even after last night, by over 559,000 votes.

Throw in Florida, for the sake of argument ONLY, even though he didn't campaign there, and even though he closed Clinton's gap in almost every state in which he campaigned during primary season, and OBAMA is STILL UP over 154,000.

Of course no reasonable person would include Michigan in the popular vote total, where his name wasn't on the ballot. So at a minimum, he's up 154,000+. A fair look has him up at least 559,000. Anybody caring to figure the Operation Chaos voters based on exit polls of Clinton supporters who intend to vote McCain in November would probably show Obama up by a couple million at least.

But reason and fairness aren't in play anymore. The very fact I'm discussing popular vote totals shows a complete disregard for the rules and a nod to complete irrationality. The party rules obviously say the winner is chosen based upon delegates.

And if Obama had wanted to push the popular vote totals in Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Illinois, DC, Maryland, Georgia, etc etc etc etc....he could have. But doing so would've only netted a few very expensive delegates in return for thousands of votes that wouldn't decide anything. (You have to move the popular vote by thousands, usually, to squeeze out a few extra delegates.) He had the resources to move those popular vote numbers his way, but his campaign was all about maximizing delegates as efficiently as possible. That's a small part of the reason his campaign has millions of dollars on hand for the general election and why Clinton is twenty mill in debt.

Clinton's expensive hollow victories are still hollow. The fact that she's only down 559,000+ in popular vote AND down by a huge delegate count is only evidence of just what a strategic failure her campaign really was. And THAT is the only context in which anyone should ever discuss her popular vote totals. These totals remain the most blatant indicator of her incredibly unfocused campaign.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 01:59 PM
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1. Quick note
The 154k figure excludes the caucus estimates. 264,484 is Obama's lead with Florida and caucus estimates.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:02 PM
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2. thanks, Chief.
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billybob537 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:03 PM
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3. Who cares the only one
claiming Hillary is still in the race is Hillary and her poor pathetic hangers on.
Sorry if your reality sucks.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:10 PM
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4. There should be NO discussion of popular vote
It does not exist.
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mohc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:11 PM
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5. I think the point of the OP
was to show the weakness of using a popular vote argument, regardless of whether it should be pertinent, when you are in fact behind in popular vote.
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AnarchoFreeThinker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:14 PM
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7. in addition....if she were ahead, it would only indicate an even bigger strategic failure.
The prize was delegates, not vote totals.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:28 PM
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9. I do agree with you! n/t
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:12 PM
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6. repeat something
over and over and it becomes the truth
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-21-08 02:20 PM
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8. FL & MI delegates may not count BUT the peoples votes DO!!!
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