When "THEY" go after Obama's two Daughters...will you understand why Chelsea should be off limits?

[KoKo]

If Obama's two daughters end up like the Bush Twins...(rolling on floor in drunken stupor and one marries Karl Rove's son.) Will you care?

When Obama's oldest daughter goes off to College and lands a GREAT JOB...will you follow her and trash her choice for who she works for...even if her father is older and out of office and she picks another Dem...or maybe a Repug? Will you make fun of her "high priced job" like folks are making fun of Chelsea?

What should be the "space" for President's Daughters and Sons. Should we applaud our favorite President's spawn and and ATTACK the spawn of those we don't like?

:shrug: Why the attack on Chelsea...once again?

[Mike Nelson]

1. They are girls

the Bush twins are women (adults)

[KoKo]

8. His oldest daughter is nine...if he serves two terms and has a Legacy...and

his oldest works for that Candidate...will folks make fun of her...because she has a Harvard or Yale Scholarship? (If that happens?)

[Mike Nelson]

22. Oh, probably, but...

Obama's girls seem to be better reared. They will be fine.

[emilyg]

19. They are all somebody's children.

Off-limits.

[Mike Nelson]

26. we are all children

I do feel sorry for Bush's young women, though

[emilyg]

43. I do, too. Because of POP they got creamed.

[roguevalley]

84. they should all be left alone but you are wrong in your supposition

first, they are babies and she is 28 or so. they aren't campaigning and she is. she stepped into the spot light and gave up her neutrality. that makes her a person who has to deal. too bad its so but it is. if she had stayed out, then fine. but she didn't.

[babylonsister]

2. She's an adult and is campaigning; they are children. BIG difference.

Not that I have any desire to 'go after' Chelsea.

[KoKo]

12. What if Rush Limbaugh said filthy things about the two girls? Their appearance

and that one must be the daughter of Rezko and Michelle? Would that change your opinion?

[peacebird]

29. Chelsea was off limits as a child in the White House. She is now an adult on the campaign trail

Obama's children deserve the same respect Chelsea got in the White House. To be off limits.

Once they are adults, out of college and out of the White House, if they choose to go on the campaign trail, then they will deserve scrutiny as much as Chelsea does now.

[Raejeanowl]

47. Off Limits As A Child In The White House?

What rock were you living under? The poor child was regularly trashed in the cruelest ways, in addition to the scrutiny caused by her parents' behaviors.

And as to anyone's opinion of a political scion being fair game for all comers by virtue of reaching an 18th or 21st birthday, and choosing to be loyal to their political parent (what an unpardonable sin!), you are still way off base equating that support with that of an unrelated high-profile party.

[Shae]

77. It's not likely . . .

that people from DU trashed Chelsea when she was a child living in the white house.

She was trashed by Hillary's new best friends -- John McCain, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly.

Many people here were of the opinion that Barb and Jenna Bush should be off limits unless and until they hit the campaign trail.

[Chulanowa]

81. You seem to think you're addressing the troglodytes of FreeRepublic

Everybody here on DU, I'm certain, was absolutely disgusted by the attacks on Chelsea from Rushbo, from McCain, from the whole group. I imagine most of us are still disgusted when someone starts going on about her person.

She's an adult now, and is campaigning. This does open her up to attack. Relevant attack, mind you. You've gotta be a pretty low person to attack a candidate based on looks, even lower to throw that at their family or staff.

[Mimosa]

50. Chelsea was off limits as a child in the White House...and rightfully so

The Obama family is making a sacrifice to even go to the white House. Hopefully there is some decency left among the public and press.

This Obama supporter would never 'attack Chelsea' as a human being.

[babylonsister]

33. See post#29. Chelsea was off limits as a child, and no, I wouldn't

be fine with it. Get a grip. Chelsea is an adult.

[Evergreen Emerald]

39. so, is Michelle off limits but Chelsea is not?

[gal]

66. Chelsea has been off limits the whole campaign..where have you been?

The press is not allowed to question or her actions.
She was off limits as a child and they have carried that over, most Americans do believe though once you start campaigning and put yourself into the mix you should no longer be off limits and I agree.

[Evergreen Emerald]

67. I have been here reading from Obama supporters that Chelsea is fair game

I just wonder why the double standard?

So, it sounds as if you agree that Michelle should not be off limits as well?

[redsoxrudy]

71. They are wrong

Chelsea is off limits. To go after her is pretty shameless. As an Obama supporter I would urge other BO supporters to lay off Chelsea. I know she is an adult and out on the campaign trail but we need to set ourselves to a higher standard.

[JerseygirlCT]

62. That stuff is NEVER appropriate- from anyone

But debating their candidate or positions? That's fair game. And if Obama's daughters as adults choose to work in politics - for their father or someone else - then their positions and candidates are fair game as well.

Right now they are children and should be protected.

[papapi]

46. I second that.

[JerseygirlCT]

61. I have no desire to go after her, either

She seems like a perfectly nice young woman. But she is an adult. And she is actively campaigning. Just as I never thought Cheney's daughter was off-limits while she chose to work on her father's campaign.

Should a politician's child stay private, then their life is private. But when they make a choice to become in the public eye by virtue of campaigning, then as adults, their choices are up for questioning.

None of this needs to result in "going after" anyone. But their statements, their support for their candidate? Surely.

[msongs]

3. hey for the obama mob if its last name is clinton its fair game for the worst slimes nt

[AllentownJake]

Same thing goes for the Clinton Mob

when they attack Michelle Obama or Obama's Grand Parents and ubringing. Get the fuck off your high horse Martyr.

BTW I have never said anything bad about Chelsea.

[LakeSamish706]

4. Although I don't agree with an attack on Chelsea, based on your OP...

it becomes a bit different. Chelsea is out there campaigning for her mother, she therefore is putting herself in harms way as far as personal attacks go.... I don't know, seems allot different to me with that eye on it.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

5. I don't think anyone should "go after" Chelsea, but isn't she 29 yrs old?

she's not in elementary school.

But I don't think anyone should go after spouses.

I see more posts complaining about this than posts that actually DO this.

Its like someone is creating a fight where there is none.

[Forkboy]

6. Chelsea is a full grown, mature woman, on the campaign trail actively speaking for her mother.

I certainly don't think any old attack is fair, but valid criticisms are fine for her and Michelle Obama. Obama's daughters are still small children.

[cali]

7. Do you understand the difference between a 27 year old woman

acting as a surrogate in a campaign, and two little girls of 9 and 6?

Doesn't seem as if you do. How odd.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

9. Did Hillary ever say anything about Bill Orelly's "lynching" threat to Michelle Obama? Is that OK?

I never heard a peep from Hillary Clinton about Orelly's threat of lynching
Michelle Obama.

Why is that?

[Madam Mossfern]

10. When Chelsea was a child

and there were negative comments made about her, I was outraged! The coverage of the Bush twins was more like tabloid gossip. Now Chelsea is an adult and is actively campaigning, she puts herself out there and of all people, she should be aware of the consequences of that. As long as they are not personal attacks, then she is fair game.

[JuniperLea]

15. Exactly!

The media don't cotton to nice. They don't care if Obama's kids are over 21 or not. Just like they didn't care how old Chelsea was.

[KoKo]

18. Is Chelsea not a person with feelings? What has she done to be "Fair Game"

which implies like a "sitting duck or released farm bred quail" she can be shot at by RWinger Cheney types along with Democrats? Do you not see the hypocrisy, here? :shrug:

[AllentownJake]

21. Sorry

Once you become a surrogate you are fair game. She's not on the sidelines. That is what is being said about Michelle.

That being said I generally don't criticize her.

[PoliticalAmazon]

42. Lies for her mother, and refusing to answer a serious question about....

Monical Lewinsky. The country was nearly torn apart by Bill's inability to control his dick. Hillary says she wants the Oval Office. We have a right to know if we would be looking forward to 4 more years of BIll trying to fuck interns.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

54. who says she is? where does all of this come from???

why is it that these threads pop up in DU and there
doesn't seem to be anything here to trigger them?

Why are we hearing this at DU?

[Shae]

78. That's what I was wondering . . .

I thought I'd missed something.

[AllentownJake]

11. Chelsea Clinton is 28

and she has chosen to campaign for her mother. I personally do not attack her however if Michell Obama is "fair game" because she's a surrogate than Chelsea is and she will be in the fall if Clinton is the nominee whether you like it or not. If she decides to sit on the sideline than Chelsea is no longer "fair game" by those standards.

Obama's daughters are little girls who have no real idea what their father is doing right now. They are complete innocents and cannot be compared to a 28 year old woman.

[JuniperLea]

13. We understand the difference between a woman and a child

The media, on the other hand, does not.

THIS is why we should show some common sense and leave Chelsea alone.

[ikojo]

14. Chelsea is 29 years of age and is actively

campaigning for her mom. She has chosen to place herself in a political position and should be judged accordingly. The Obama daughters are children and have no say in how they are used.

I'm sure Ms Hedge Fund manager can handle whatever we say about her here. She's probably more like her mother than people would like to admit.

[Undercurrent]

16. Huh?

Chelsea is a 9 year old little girl?

[DearAbby]

17. Candidate's family should be off limits.

The only reason Bill Clinton isnt, because he is a former President, and Hillary Clinton is using his presidency as part of her 'experience resume'

[KoKo]

28. I agree .....unless they are drunken clowns like the Bush Twins who never did anything

if it didn't give them Publicity... Book deal for Jenna's book... How many millions go to her new "Spouse" the RW Repug Op...for that Book Deal. Jenna seems to have done the Paraquay deal for the Ranch her family can escape to if they are prosecuted for War Crimes...and the "ranch" comes with major WATER RIGHTS they can sell for income the world over to their "bottling buddies."

Chelsea has led a life that didn't ever have photo's of her down drunk on bar room floor...doing deals for her Dad while she was supposedly "teaching poor children in South America" and the rest of the Bush Twin's antics that they got away with because of a compliant press so enthralled by the Chimpy who was getting away with WAR CRIMES and CRIMES AGAINST THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION.

[JI7]

20. they shouldn't be off limits when they hit their 20s and start campaigning for their mother

[LucyParsons]

23. a) they are minors; Chelsea Clinton is 28;

b)that "GREAT JOB" she got, she got through nepotism, just like her last overpaid job, and, what's more, she's part of the problem. It's a freaking HEDGE FUND. That tells me all we need to know about values, and, by extension, the values of her proud, proud parents;

c)I haven't seen any "attacks" on Chelsea since she was ruthlessly and wrongly made fun of in the media in the early 90s for daring to be an average-looking girl going through puberty in front of the nation; she's not being "attacked" - her positions, however, since she is an adult that has decided to PUBLICLY campaign, can be criticized.

Get a grip.

[BlooInBloo]

24. She's almost 30. Are you serious?

[Overseas]

25. I'll still be jealous if they're in their twenties earning $275k. //eom

[Saturday]

27. Because the attackers are immature and don't have any common decency. nt

[Rhiannon12866]

30. I agree. Chelsea Clinton is now an adult and is actively campaigning for her mother.

She didn't campaign for her Dad, and she was certainly older than Obama's little girls are now. If you saw the film clip, Senator Obama's younger one didn't even know who to ask for an ice cream, LOL. They are cute, though, and he's wise to show them during his campaign.. :-)

But these are children of candidates and presidents. Should they be off limits? This is up to them and their parents. Every child of a president is sure to get press coverage, but they certainly can't be criticized for their policy issues, unless they're old enough to have some...:shrug:

[BlackVelvet04]

31. Why the attack on Chelsea...once again?

Probably because they are assholes?

[FrenchieCat]

32. These little girls?

What would people say about a nine and a six years old? :shrug:

http://www.theage.com.au/ffximage/2007/02/09/W_OBAMA_wideweb__470x287,0.jpg

[TahitiNut]

34. OMG!! You're right!! We shouldn't be attacking children of Presidents.

Therefore, there shall be no further attacks on George H. W. Bush's sons.

After all, that'd be like attacking Chelsea. :eyes:

[ampad]

35. Chelsea is a grown ass woman

Those little girls are children. What are they going to do critique their report cards and crayon drawings? I swear some of you.....

[PoliticalAmazon]

41. ...and working the campaign trail on her own. n/t

[Beregond2]

36. There is a difference between little girls and grown women.

And I haven't seen much in the way of attacks on Chelsea anyway.

[mcctatas]

37. Oh please....

when "they" attacked chelsea during bill's presidency that was totally beyond the pale, but now she is an adult who has freely entered the public arena as a spokesperson for her mother. Chelsea is fair game for anything she says in her role as spokesperson, but her personal and professional life should otherwise be off limits (same holds true for Michelle Obama and Cindy McCain....if cindy has the ability to speak?)...

[madmunchie]

38. Chelsea is an ADULT now. NOT a child. Do you get that ADULTS are responsible for their actions?

Nobody supported attacking Chelsea as a child. She is no longer a child and she is a campaign surrogate, putting HERSELF in the Public Form...by HER CHOICE- again, AS AN ADULT. What part of that do you not yet get?

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. So, is Michelle off limits, but Chelsea is not?

[madmunchie]

44. Is that what I said? Or are you rewritting my response?

[Evergreen Emerald]

57. I am asking: do you believe Michelle is off limits, but Chelsea is fair game?

[Faygo Kid]

45. Your candidate is now officially nutz. Zimbabwe? Abolitionists?

You dead enders are going down a bad psychological path.

Today was psychotic on her part. Wagnerian.

[Evergreen Emerald]

56. I do not believe you have answered the question.

[WeDidIt]

65. Michelle Obama is FAIR GAME

Cindy McCain is FAIR GAME.

Adults who campaign for any candidate are FAIR GAME.

What part of this do you not get?

[Major Hogwash]

83. For what? For Republicans? Or DU members?

What the hell did Michelle do any of us?

[my3boyz]

48. Obama's daughters are not out there actively campaigning for Barack. If

Chelsea can't take the heat, she should stay out of the kitchen. She is not a baby anymore. She is a grown woman.

[Clear Blue Sky]

49. Chelsea is an adult and has chosen to be part of the campaign.

The Obama girls are children and have not inserted themselves into the campaign.

Big difference.

[Cheap_Trick]

51. she stood on that stage and backed up her mother's lie about Bosnia

she was there, she knew fucking well there was no sniper fire either. she lied about it just the same. I don't give a fuck about her job. I think she is a pretty woman. But I will call her on her bald faced LIE about Bosnia, same as momma.

[SoCalDem]

52. "Little Chelsea" is TWENTY-EIGHT YEARS OLD

the press left her alone when she was in the white house.. she's an official campaign spokesperson, who took a leave from a $275K a year job..

SHE'S NOT A CHILD..

[Jed Dilligan]

53. How old does she have to be before people can hold her

responsible for her words and actions? 40?

[BenDavid]

55. there will be no disrespecting any children during the campaign

whether obama is or is not the nominee. The press respected this when Chelsea was in the white house and the only chazzer was limbaugh and after I believe 12 years finally apologized to HRC and WJC for his comments.Still, not right he said it at the time.....Nor should any comments be made about any child, whether they be McCain's Obama's but,

As for Chelsea, she has placed herself in this campaign as well as michelle obama placed herself as well in his campaign. And to say no one can say anything negative against what they said is silly.As for Chelsea she does not make comments about policy and all she says is why her Mom would be a better president. When haters then make comments about something else, then all they are is haters....michelle obama speaks different about her and obama and the comments she makes should be looked over, i e first time i have been proud of my country....comments against that are good, but comments about looks, dress etc only comes from haters.....

[Vinca]

58. Chelsea was off limits throughout her younger years.

She's now a woman and a spokesperson for her mother and fair game. That said, I haven't heard anything bad about her at all. She's an attractive, intelligent person who is apparently keeping the reality pills from her mother.

[WeDidIt]

59. Chelsea is FAIR GAME!

Adult children who campaign for their parents are immediately fair game.

Minor children are NEVER fair game.

You are trying to compare apples to basketballs.

[Hola]

60. I agree

Children of former or current president should be off limits. That includes GW. That's all I have to say.

[Lochloosa]

63. I think Chelsea can take care of herself.

[OzarkDem]

64. Good post!

K & R

[intaglio]

68. Chelsea is 28 (born Feb 1980)

Chelsea is a Fund Manager, Chelsea is actively campaigning for her mother. If Chelsea does bot wish to be a target she should not be on the campaign. During her time in the WH Chelsea did not turn into Jenna or Babs that is down to the parents of those persons.

Malia Ann Obama was born 1998, Natasha Obama born 2001. They cannot avoid the campaign, they have no choice but to be with their parents. Equally Michelle and Barack cannot leave the children at home or they will be accused of "not caring"

Now tell me again WHY Chelsea Clinton should be off limits.

[dkf]

69. Because Bill is talking about her running for President...

Top of Drudge.

[Bolo Boffin]

70. She should never be bashed. No one should.

If she's campaigning for her mother, then her stated positions can and should be analyzed.

But bashing should be abhorrent to anyone.

[1776Forever]

72. Chelsea is NOT a child anymore - Hillary even said her hedge fund job was not 'real work'!

Real 'Work'? Clinton Swipes at Chelsea's Profession

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/real-work-clint.html

February 19, 2008 4:48 PM

ABC News' Jennifer Parker and Eloise Harper Report: Sen. Hillary Clinton took a swipe at her daughter's profession today at an economic roundtable discussion at a restaurant in Parma, Ohio, suggesting wealthy investment bankers and hedge fund managers on Wall Street aren't doing real 'work.'

The former first lady's daughter, Chelsea Clinton, works for New York-based hedge fund Avenue Capital Group. She previously worked in New York for McKinsey & Company, her first job after graduating with her master's degree from Oxford University.

............

And then this one that says that Chelsea's job was from a "friend of the family" - the Clinton's seem to have a lot of these around. The Ruler of Dubai for one.

...........

Chelsea Clinton joins New York hedge fund
Avenue Capital Group founder has been big contributor to Democrats

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15549672/

NEW YORK - Former first daughter Chelsea Clinton has joined Avenue Capital Group, a $12 billion hedge fund manager whose founder has contributed to many Democratic Party campaigns, a person familiar with the matter said Friday.

(Chelsea) Clinton, 26 (now 28), the only child of former President Bill Clinton and U.S. Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, has taken a post at the New York-based fund manager in an undisclosed capacity, the source said.

Clinton, who graduated from Stanford University in 2001 and studied philosophy at Oxford University, most recently worked at consultants McKinsey & Co. from 2003.Avenue which focuses on distressed securities investing was co-founded by Marc Lasry. Morgan Stanley this week bought a minority stake in Avenue.

Well-known in hedge fund circles, Lasry has contributed to political campaigns for Hillary Clinton, Al Gore, Bill Bradley, John Kerry and other Democrats in recent years, federal election records show. However, Lasry has also contributed lesser amounts to campaigns for President Bush, the records show.

.............

No, I don't think it is right to go "after" Chelsea but the friend of a friend business that is so prevalent in the Clinton 100+ fortune that has been built up since 2001 is! I don't think that the biggest lobbyist for Dubai, Saudi Arabia and outsourcing of jobs to India has been vetted enough!!!

In this case it is ALL IN THE FAMILY!!!

:argh:

[Lerkfish]

73. this is quite an age difference....

Chelsea is an adult. Still considering her a minor child is sexist.

[City Lights]

74. She's a grown woman. If she can't stand the scrutiny, she should stay

off the campaign trail.

And I'm shocked that you see no difference between a woman nearing 30, and children still in elementary school.

[bluesxtreme]

75. Your comparing two young KIDS with a ADULT whose campaigning on the trail?

[MNDemNY]

76. Chelsea is an adult who chose to go on the campaign.

[NotThisTime]

79. When his daughters are on the stump for their mother and they are 29

They'll be fair game.....

[grace0418]

80. I've never "gone after her" but thought it was disgusting when the RW went after

Chelsea when she was just a girl. She didn't get to choose whether or not to live in the WH and be the subject of public scrutiny. It's hard enough being an awkward teenager without all that bullshit.

However, when a child becomes an ADULT and CHOOSES a career path or CHOOSES to be part of a high profile campaign, I think that makes him or her open for public scrutiny. I don't personally know of the attacks you are describing. And if they are below the belt, or about her looks, or about things she cannot choose or change, then they are idiotic. But if they are about the things she does and the choices she makes, as an adult, then I don't see the problem.

[Major Hogwash]

82. Chelsea is an adult.

I guess that hadn't occurred to you.