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Fri May-23-08 07:16 PM
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Obama's chance to make amends with Clinton's supporters...Seize the Moment!!! |
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He should rescue her. He should rescue her with both hands, as forcefully as he can. He should stand up an defend her character, and give plausible excuses why Hillary might have made this gaffe as only another exhausted candidate can.
Why? Because we all know its over. This gives Hillary some her dignity back, and her supporters will recognize it, and will appreciate the gesture. This is not the way a historic candidacy should end.
So come on Obama, seize the moment!!! Use this RFK statement as a way to bring us back together.
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Fri May-23-08 07:17 PM
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1. No. He should let her hang on her own rope, and be guiltless of any "forcing her out" of the race |
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Fri May-23-08 07:17 PM
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2. No, his outcome should be to win the General Election, and... |
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End the war Fix Health Care Repair the economy
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Fri May-23-08 07:19 PM
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4. yeah, and to do that he needs to be rid of her campaigning against him. So he lets this play out. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:37 PM
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63. Didn't many of us say that if she stayed in the race long enough... |
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she herself would cause her supporters to recoil from her in horror?
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Fri May-23-08 09:11 PM
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Patterson was already having second thoughts. The usually outspoken Maxine Waters has been strangely absent from the teevee as a Hillary surrogate. What must be going through Maya Angelou's head after she stuck her neck out?
I expect a concession in the next few days, or a mass defection to Obama. Hillary's been walking a tightrope lately with her looselip comments, but this is just beyond the pale.
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Fri May-23-08 07:18 PM
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3. they will just use it to declare that everyone critical of her was being overreactive |
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he gave her a break on the sniper fire insanity and it made no difference.
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Fri May-23-08 07:19 PM
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5. Everyone except Obama that is... |
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If he defends her. It WILL make a difference this time. Nobody in the Clinton camp wants it to end this way.
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Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM
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10. They won't consider it to have been a favor. They think she's entitled to his defense and the... |
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nomination too for that matter.
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Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM
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40. This statement is not Obama's fault. Hillary, if it does end, ended it this way, not Barack. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM
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57. Forget about fault. Focus on winning the GE. |
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Whether you like it or not, Obama NEEDS Hispanics, hard working white people, and old ladies to vote for him. If rescuing Hillary from a bed of her own making helps with this (it will), he should do it in a heartbeat.
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Fri May-23-08 07:39 PM
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69. I respectfully disagree with you about this sfam. I trust Obama to do the right thing and I know |
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he will. Hillary, however, has proven not to be trustworthy to do the right thing and I think that she will not exit gracefully if Barack rescues her from this. He will lift her out of the water and she will stand on his shoulders to drown him. This is the character that she has displayed, and I think her statement today will lead others to believe that she has a-win-at-any cost attitude.
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Fri May-23-08 07:43 PM
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75. You don't get it. It's over. She is officially "D for DONE" as of this evening... |
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Stick a fork in her. It really doesn't matter what she wants. Her supporters will be on the phone with her this weekend saying as much.
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Fri May-23-08 07:47 PM
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80. I do get it, and I don't really appreciate your judgment of my opinions, as I have respectfully |
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disagreed with yours. If it is indeed over, why do you feel that she needs a rescue. If it is over sfam, then it is over, Obama doesn't need to do anything. Think about the contradictions in your thought process. If you say it is over, then let it rest. No need for a rescue, right?
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Fri May-23-08 07:48 PM
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82. I don't care what Hillary thinks or whether she gets humiliated...I do care.. |
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whether her supporters come back and support Obama. This is why I think he should rescue her. If they don't come back to us - even two or three percent in some cases - we have a great chance of losing.
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Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM
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I would rather see she have to deal with it on her own, but it would help bring the HRC supports over to his side
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Fri May-23-08 07:33 PM
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54. Wow...all these good points comments, but no recommendations... |
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I think I'm just gonna whine about it. :(
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Fri May-23-08 08:52 PM
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115. You're a nice person and I appreciate where you're coming from. I'll give you a rec. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:20 PM
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Fri May-23-08 07:20 PM
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8. Do you honestly think this is the end? |
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That she isn't going to sabotage the ticket for her 2012 run?
That she is going to stop lying?
That the emotional manipulation will now end -- if he reacts like this?
I am all for him reaching out, but he needs to keep sleeping with one eye open, IMO.
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Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM
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Give her her dignity back while she has a graceful exit.
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Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM
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19. Thats the thing -- I don't see her "exiting" |
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I see her as blowing dog whistles and stirring up strife.
Clintons feed on drama like cancer feeds on sugar. In my Dad's waning days, I saw him develop a sweet tooth that was unimaginable for a man who would be "sugared up" over 5 jelly beans when he was still healthy. Without drama, the Clintons lose their sense of importance, their spotlight and their oxygen. They aren't going to give that up.
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Fri May-23-08 07:32 PM
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51. Maybe you haven't kept up with current events but this was a game changer... |
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Its game over. Its game OVER!
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Fri May-23-08 07:39 PM
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68. Then why should he bow to her? |
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She showed with both Gore and Kerry that it is about her, not democrats. Yet you want to kiss her ass.
To what end and to what benefit?
Her 19%ers, like *, aren't coming on board. The party will fracture and realign.
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Fri May-23-08 07:41 PM
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72. I'm truly amazed by the "Why?" comments. The answer is clear...we are not in the real race... |
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The real race is against McCain. That's the one that determines if our sons and daughters keep dying or not, while our country goes backrupt. THAT's why.
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Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM
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9. Agreed. It would be the galant thing to do |
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It's over, and I don't see why this pointless bloodletting should continue.
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Fri May-23-08 07:21 PM
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She implied he could be murdered, let her political career struggle in the current for awhile.
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Fri May-23-08 07:22 PM
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Why? Um, to WIN in the GE...why else? |
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I truly hope our candidate has this outcome so clearly in his mind that this crap rolls right off his sleeves.
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Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM
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29. I don't think he will get the votes of the die hard Clinton supporters no matter what he... |
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does, so why bother to make nice with those Clinton supporters? They are out to destroy the Dem Party, and we are going to coddle them? No way.
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Fri May-23-08 07:27 PM
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35. 'They are out to destroy the Dem Party' - that's libelous, really it is. |
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Do tell how the Clinton supporters want to destroy the party?
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Fri May-23-08 07:30 PM
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44. They want to steal the nomination from Obama and in so doing create such a rift in the party that... |
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in effect the party has been destroyed, at least in the short term.
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Fri May-23-08 07:31 PM
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48. OMG who told you that? |
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Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM
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58. I am capable of coming to my own conclusions. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:37 PM
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65. Okie dokie, I can only hope you're young. |
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Campaigns go like this. Everyone who likes a candidate other than yours wants to WIN, not "destroy the party". :scared:
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Fri May-23-08 07:53 PM
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85. Yes, campaigns do go like this. But remember that Obama want to change that old style... |
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of politics. That's one of the reason why I support him.
However, Clinton and her supporters have taken this whole thing to a whole new level. Edwards and Richardson and Dodd et al also wanted to win, but when they read the handwriting on the wall they dropped out for the good of the party. Yet in spite of the damage that she is doing to the party Clinton soldiers on, much to the detriment of the party. I dare say that Edwards had a better chance than she does now when he dropped out, yet he put his party first. But instead of following the lead of John Edwards, Clinton's megalomaniacal ego won't let her stop whether she destroys our chances in November or not. It's just sickening.
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Fri May-23-08 08:00 PM
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95. Well, I voted for Edwards. |
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So I am in good hands lol. Cheers.
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Fri May-23-08 08:56 PM
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116. Oh please. Hillary is making a "femnist movement" out of her campaign.. |
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She's been outright telegraphing her message to her hardcore fembots to not vote for Obama so she can run again in 2012. You have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see that.
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Fri May-23-08 09:05 PM
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118. yeah that's me, deaf dumb and blind. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:30 PM
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45. Believe it or not, Hillary supporters are not evil people...I even know some of them... |
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My mom, for instance. I swear on my word of honor that she's not evil. Happy?
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Fri May-23-08 07:34 PM
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I didn't say they are evil. If as I believe some of them are out to destroy the party, |
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that's not evil. It's sleazy politics, but it's not evil. Clinton supporters have a perfect right to employ whatever political tactics that they choose. But I don't have to like it.
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Fri May-23-08 07:37 PM
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64. I believe they are just as caught up in "the moment" as you are. You both have... |
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lost any focus on the big picture. The big picture involves ending the war and stopping our sons and daughters from dying.
They ARE democrats, whether you like it or not. Call them your crazy aunt, but they still are dems. Lets invite them to Thanksgiving and have a good feast...
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Fri May-23-08 07:22 PM
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15. Because it's over for her and he can lead the way as a healer. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:28 PM
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38. so if she says two or three other things that are even more egregious, |
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Obama can then be fucking magnanimous and the Party will be healed by the end of the weekend! How clever of Hillary to set up this golden opportunity to save the Party! :crazy:
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Fri May-23-08 07:31 PM
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46. Presidents should be "fucking magnanimous". Hillary's campaign is over. |
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Obama need act nothing but Presidential at this point.
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Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM
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59. Has Hillary said her campaign is over? I think not. |
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As for being Presidential, what's un-Presidential about what Obama has already said? The remark shouldn't have been part of a campaign, as he said. Pretending that bad behavior isn't really a big deal is one of the faults of the current administration I sincerely hope will not be repeated in the next Administration.
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62. Nothing is unpresidential about what Obama has said. I don't believe he himself has commented on it. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:22 PM
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13. The spinmeisters will just accuse him of taking advantage in some way. |
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The are already blaming the campaign for 'twisting her words' and what-all else. If he publicly defends her they'll just call it condescending, arrogant and build some other counterfactual narrative around it.
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Fri May-23-08 07:22 PM
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14. To hell with her and her POS supporters. n/t. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM
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18. Welcome to the McCain administration... |
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Is that really what you want? How 'bout we all become united again instead?
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Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM
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31. Bullshit. The country is going to vote the Democratic nominee in no matter who it is this year. |
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That's why she's been engaged in the scummiest kind of race trying anything and everything in an attempt to steal this nomination - she knows how sick the country is of the GOP.
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Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM
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I suspect he will.....The tones from the campaign have been quite conciliatory. |
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Kill her campaign with kindness.
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Fri May-23-08 07:24 PM
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23. Truly, his campaign has been extremely measured as a whole. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM
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16. And then after the spanking... the oral sex. n/t |
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Monty Python references ALWAYS welcome!
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Fri May-23-08 07:23 PM
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17. I don't think it will work |
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The supporters that need that kind of gesture will twist it around and view it as something sinister. Really. Never mind what they say here. This is a messageboard and fighting during the primaries is normal for us. Some of the anti-Obama blogs, however are not as polite as we are here. And that's going some.
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Fri May-23-08 07:25 PM
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24. Give hope a chance...yes we can... |
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Perhaps you should download a few of his speeches, just for old times sake...
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124. Sinister or "sexist". Everything Obama says, and every gesture he makes |
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is somehow considered "sexist" by the Clinton devotees. I can't wait until there's no need for Geraldine Ferraro to be on the teevee.
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20. Then "THEY" will use it as a sign of "weakness." |
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Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM
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30. exactly...Let the fool go down! |
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Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM
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39. And we'll all go down together...Welcome to the McCain administration... |
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Lets focus people...or at least I hope our hero does.
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22. I agree actually. It would be a good strategic move for him- and Hillary would need to be a serious |
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ass to then go and accuse him of stealing elections, and her surrogates to call him sexist, after that.
BTW, David Axelrod has already defended her.
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25. I don't see that happening. He will say, though, that he believes she doesn't mean to insinuate he |
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have that happen. but I think he will let this go for a while, and let her hang herself, for she keeps giving herself rope over & over...
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32. I hope not...I hope he goes all Man-Bear-Pig for her... |
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Attacking Olbermann and the whole nine-yards. Again, there is no recovery from this comment. EVERYONE knows this. If so, it makes absolutely no sense to watch her roast on a spit if our outcome is winning the GE.
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47. I'm not sure that Hillary knows this, nor do some of her more ardent supporters. n/t |
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125. Attacking Olbermann? Please tell me you're kidding....nt |
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43. ... as far as he knows! :D |
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28. meh. She would only use it to stand back up on solid ground and KICK him. We have GOT to |
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use this opportunity to get her the fuck OUT. She is ripping this COUNTRY apart.
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Fri May-23-08 07:26 PM
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33. As best he can, Obama needs to try to ignore Clinton's remarks. |
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Why? Because there is no point in doing otherwise.
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Fri May-23-08 07:27 PM
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34. Obama, time and time again, has been gracious to Hillary. He never mentioned her |
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sniper story, he didn't pounce on her "hard-working white Americans" comments, he hasn't complained about her scorched earth method to win...I don't advocate him pouncing on this statement either, but I don't think he should go out of his way to "rescue her". This one needs to sink in.
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Fri May-23-08 07:28 PM
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36. He should double-down...be even MORE gracious... |
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Its over. Or to quote Bones, "She's dead, Jim..." And no, its not impossible anymore. Its done.
If Obama steps in to truly defend her, this will only result in goodwill and positive vibes.
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55. Hillary, especially in the last 2 months, has proven that Obama's graciousness is only returned with |
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more venom, divisiveness, and strife. I have no doubt that he will not take advantage of this statement, but I just don't think that going out of his way to excuse her will win much praise from her supporters, or her. They will accuse him of using this for political theater, and maybe even accuse him of being sexist, somehow.
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67. This too shall pass... |
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Its time to make amends. Obama has it in him. Hillary needs rescuing now and her supporters know it.
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73. We do need unity sfam, and I think it is just as incumbent upon the Hillary supporters to reach out |
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as it is the Obama supporters. It takes two you know...
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78. Wouldn't it be nice if Obama played the "leader" here? |
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Fri May-23-08 07:29 PM
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41. No need to let it sink in, her campaign ended today. |
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Obama can rescue a good Senator and play healer. What's more Presidential?
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37. The way HRC rescued Obama during Snubgate? Plagiarismgate? Bittergate? Pastorgate? |
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:shrug: I suppose. Obama always ends up taking the high road.
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42. But that would infuriate his indignation junkies. n/t |
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49. The only problem with that is: we all know what she'll turn around and do if he does. |
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52. kick him in the balls? to be blunt. |
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66. Take it as her due and attack him again the first chance she gets? n/t |
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77. All these comments do is prove that we have lost focus just as much as the Hill44 folks have... |
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well, OK, maybe not that much, but pretty close. Unless we unite the party, it just won't matter, folks. They ARE democrats. They DO vote for the Dem ticket. We DO need them whether you like it or not.
Bottom line, this is the right thing to do. The smart thing to do.
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Fri May-23-08 07:48 PM
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81. You're just not going to get anywhere comparing Obama supporters... |
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to those who support Clinton saying that her path to the nomination is over Obama's dead body.
No matter how similar you think the two are (which is fucking stupid), you're just not going to get anyone but Clinton supporters on board with it.
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Fri May-23-08 07:50 PM
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83. I haven't seen Clinton supporters propose Obama gets shot.. |
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have you? And yeah, if you read my comment on the last post, I made it clear I was being facetious with the Hillaryis44 comment.
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Fri May-23-08 07:32 PM
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50. Why?? she's been beating him down every chance she gets. With Wright, Ayers, etc..... |
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Fri May-23-08 07:40 PM
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70. Take one guess....Truly, this just ain't that hard folks!!! |
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We want to WIN...like win the REAL race, not the nomination. We want to win the GE. THAT's why.
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Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM
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56. You know he will give her the benefit of the doubt and respond in a classy, gracious way. |
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He always does.
It may help her some but it wont save her though. Her campaign is over and she wont be the VP. It may help with a soft landing though.
I really wish she would just for once try to be classy and gracious to him. But she already had a chance and she didn't. She didn't even mention him in her "apology". She apologized to the Kennedys, not to the person whose potential assasination was implied by her statement.
He will be classy. I have no doubt.
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Fri May-23-08 07:54 PM
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87. You're so very right. He will be gracious and she will be ungrateful. Things just dont change. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM
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60. "his" people have been exceeding gracious today |
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and I agree with you.... to a point.
My fear is she will spit him out. It's happened before this season.
But, I would put my fears aside and rescue her, as you say, with both hands.
The problem for her is all the people around her want her to stay in the race so there is probably no one who would side with her if she said she wanted out.
I've been there albeit on a smaller level. But I had people around me who were supportive of my decision to "get out".
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Fri May-23-08 07:35 PM
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It's a gaffe...they all made them, why does she need a big rescue...and from Obama of all people? Wouldn't that be pandering?
(Before anyone freaks I support Obama....NEVER EVER HILLARY)
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Fri May-23-08 07:42 PM
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74. No, it would be the right thing to do. And the "why" is CRYSTAL clear... |
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We want to win the GE, that's why. That's the only race that matters, people.
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Fri May-23-08 07:43 PM
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Probably he will do something along the lines you suggest.... very smart.
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Fri May-23-08 07:47 PM
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79. Not good enough for a recommendation though, ey? |
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Amazing. Here I get LOTS of "Great posts" comments but virtually no recommendations....yes I'm whining...
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Fri May-23-08 07:53 PM
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86. Many of your responses, sfam, are condescending in nature, as if no one can understand |
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the "big picture" but you. We all have thoughts, ideas, and feelings about this race, and they all have to be respected because we all come from different walks of life and from different perspectives. Maybe this is why you have not gotten any recommendations. Just a thought...
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Fri May-23-08 07:50 PM
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84. Actually that is a good idea just like the BRILLIANT race speech he gave in Philli. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:54 PM
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88. Obama isn't responsible for cleaning up her mess. He's taken more high road than necessary already |
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Let her finally take some responsibility for her own words and let the consequences come, if she's such a pillar of strength that she wants to ascend to the presidency on her bravery and character.
Time and again people want to assume that she'll finally do the 'right' thing and she proves that she's not listening to common sense. The Obama campaign has made a gracious statement about the remarks in Clinton's favor. That should suffice.
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Fri May-23-08 07:56 PM
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90. I care about Obama winning the GE, not Hillary taking responsibility...nt |
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Fri May-23-08 07:55 PM
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89. Obama doesn't NEED to make amends with Clinton supporters., He hasn't done anything except win. |
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Fri May-23-08 07:57 PM
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91. Obama needs to win the GE...to do that... |
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He will need her coalition. Is it really that bad a thing to rescue her if it results in goodwill from his supporters?
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Fri May-23-08 07:58 PM
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92. Rescue her from herself? |
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The ugly campaigning has been from her end. She's the one who needs to make amends here.
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Fri May-23-08 08:02 PM
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the auction on ebay where her supporters are offering their goodwill in exchange for Hillary's rescue. Do you have a link?
I'm not seeing a basis for your belief that Obama's "rescue" is going to result in a direly needed tangible benefit. I can believe that if he behaves badly here, he can damage himself, but he's not likely to behave ungraciously toward her. That said, there's no reason for him to bail her out. Frankly, it smacks of enabling behavior.
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Fri May-23-08 08:04 PM
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101. That might be true if there was still a chance for her to continue...I don't see that... |
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To me, I don't see Hillary's Supes and close supporters not coming to her and telling her to withdraw. She's done. And this is a really bad way for her campaign to be remembered.
That's why I think this will turn into goodwill if he does stand up for her.
And as for the link...I would guess we'd have to wait till tomorrow or at least later this evening. :)
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Fri May-23-08 08:15 PM
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107. The question isn't what you see as "a chance" but what Hillary sees |
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as a chance. I don't think she'll bow out, even with this. It's true that this is a bad way for her campaign to be remembered but this is merely one mile further down a road she's been traveling for some time and if that's where she chose to go, she should be remembered for it.
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Fri May-23-08 08:21 PM
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110. Hillary won't get to decide this. Her Supes and fundraisers will end this for her... |
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I would bet my monthly paychecks that her supporters will be coming and telling her to close this thing down now. I really don't see how she can overcome this. Nobody in the Dem leadership wants to see this narrative out there, and there is nothing they can do to stop the 24/7 wright-style Hillary "Barack might get shot" tape. Nothing except getting her out of the race, that is...
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Fri May-23-08 08:06 PM
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102. brilliantly said houston...I'm very suspicous of the op's desire to harp on Obama "rescuing" her |
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as if he has done something wrong. I believe that she would turn the tables on him and somehow make it seem as if he has done something wrong or taken her words out of context. She has proven her self extremely untrustworthy. Smells of a set up for some Obama backlash if he steps into this mess. Maybe this is covertly what the op wants...
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Fri May-23-08 08:09 PM
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105. That's right. I'm really a Clinton plant...as all my previous posts attest to... |
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As do my contributions to Obama's coffers. I'm only doing it to get on the inside!!
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Fri May-23-08 07:58 PM
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93. I think he Is putting her Campaign to bed |
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It's over Hillary , he is amazing
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Fri May-23-08 08:03 PM
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99. hopefully, without supper. n/t |
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Fri May-23-08 07:59 PM
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94. No Way, It is not his responsibility to rescue her. She will use it as a lever to continue. Once she |
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is gone he can say a few kind words that everyone can puke on. Outside of that she must concede, get the fuck out and then maybe I would listen to something nice about her. Before that no fucking way.
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Fri May-23-08 08:01 PM
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96. My disagreement with you on this is that I think she's already done... |
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She HAS to get out now whether she wants to or not. Her supporters will force her if even she can't figure it out. But based on looking at her demeanor in her apology speech, I think she knows...
Given that, I don't think Obama should wait. He should do it prior to that, when the gesture will still make a difference.
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Fri May-23-08 08:02 PM
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97. No. She wouldn't return the favor. In fact, she would probably find a way to backstab him on this. |
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Fri May-23-08 08:07 PM
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103. Do you honestly think she can recover from this, whether Obama says anything or not? |
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I don't. I really don't. Her supporters will be making this clear for her over the next few days if she hasn't already figured it out.
So if she realizes its totally over, what would backstabbing Obama now get her? She doesn't do things for no reason - she's VERY calculating. Tell me how this would benefit her, especially if Obama was seen as rescuing her from this.
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Fri May-23-08 08:23 PM
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112. Of course she would. nt |
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Fri May-23-08 08:08 PM
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104. defend her character? - Obama should throw her under the GD. bus...! |
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Fri May-23-08 08:13 PM
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here is the difference.
Some people make decisions on human decency, conscience and and principle....
others ....
Make decisions on polls, political aspirations, and self benefit....
I have no doubt in my mind that decent people will forgive a gaffe, misstatement or unfortunate choice of words. Few seem to think that this was the latter. It happens with too much frequency, under certain circumstances, and spewed as a trial balloon by a politician loosing that will try anything as a last minute desperation attack. Seasoned politicians never run a campaign that has had this many earned apologies. It is starting to fall on deaf ears.
But, thats just my opinion.
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Fri May-23-08 08:18 PM
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109. Whether she meant it or not, or things similar to it, do you really think she can... |
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recover from this? If not, if you believe she's really done - as in her Supes will be telling her "bu-bye", why wouldn't it make sense for Obama to take advantage of this opportunity to make amends with her supporters?
He wouldn't be rescuing her to make Hillary feel better, he would be doing it to remove the bad taste all of her supporters would feel seeing her exit like this. And in doing so, they will be more motivated to support him and unity as a party again.
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Fri May-23-08 08:50 PM
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what you mean by amends to HER supporters? Her supporters didn't say it. The few that somehow condone, marginalize or dismiss what she said aren't going to vote for him regardless, but it's not about votes anyway.
If Hillary's supporters have a problem with seeing her exit this way, they need to take it up with Hillary. This is being looked at in a political eventuality and voting scenario...when it should be looked at from a different standpoint. Votes be damned, this remark is out of bounds and malicious. Why court or capitolize votes for a remark Hillary's supporters didn't say to begin with? He has done nothing on this scale to isolate voters on either side. She did.
I speak for myself.
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Fri May-23-08 08:16 PM
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108. He will no doubt be asked about it |
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and I'm sure his answer will be classy and conciliatory.
Obama will not take Hillary to task for this--that's not his style. The media will do more than a good enough job of that anyway.
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Fri May-23-08 08:22 PM
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111. He will probably do that. Then 10 mins later she will do something else |
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dispicable to him. It's just what she does. :shrug:
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Fri May-23-08 08:34 PM
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113. Her character should not be defended. She is disgusting. |
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Defend her for bringing up Zimbawe and use that as an example to get the votes in FL and Michigan counted?
Defend her for what exactly?
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Fri May-23-08 08:58 PM
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117. As disgusting as the thought is to me, I grdgingly agree... |
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of course, then the pseudo-feminists will accuse him of being sexist, but for the sane population, I believe it is the decent thing to do...
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Fri May-23-08 09:08 PM
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119. This ain't Obama's burden |
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Let Hillary twist in the wind. And fuck each and every one of Hillary's enablers for supporting her on this latest outrage. I don't want to make nice with you people if you can defend this statement.
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This is a golden opportunity to unite the party
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Fri May-23-08 09:13 PM
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122. *Obama's* chance? PFFT! It's *clinton supporter's* chance. |
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123. No! It is not a "gaffe". She's not quitting, and that's one of her reasons. Period. |
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If Obama tried to gives excuses for her behavior, she'd simply attack him for his presumption. If you don't understand Hillary Clinton by now, you never will.
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Fri May-23-08 09:34 PM
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126. Do you know what 'amends' are? |
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"Amends"...are what you must do to reclaim a relationship with someone you have abused, manipulated, lied to, hurt, shamed, and abandoned to satisfy your ego driven desires to satisfy some inner urges.
This is a definition from the Twelve Step program, steps to healing and wholeness to recover from an addiction.
"Amends"...from Obama?
Before we jump into assuming what must be done to rehabilitate Senator Clinton... What in the world has Senator Obama done to Senator Clinton that requires 'amends'?
I realize that there have been some Obama supporters who may have said some hurtful things to Clinton supporters, but Obama should not make amends on their behalf.
And I do not recall anything but graciousness and kindness from Obama to Clinton. He should 'stand up for her'?? There were several times when She could have stood up for him, and she didn't. She could have stood up during the Rev. Wright firestorm, and admitted that she and Bill knew Rev. Wright. She could have stood up to reporters, and said: "Yes, he's a Christian." And stopped that Muslim nonsense.
But rescue her? She's an adult. She should take responsibility for herself. Rescue her? And SHE wants to be president? Before he can step in, and make 'nice' with her, she needs to openly admit that her language was inappropriate, and apologize, not only to the Kennedys, but to the Obamas, and probably to the nation. As I said earlier: I don't want her flung off a bridge. I don't hate her.. I realize she's exhausted, but she need to be a big girl about this..
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