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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:03 PM
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“OBAMA SUPPORTERS” DAILY NEWS Saturday May 24 2008

WELCOME TO “OBAMA SUPPORTERS” DAILY NEWS

Saturday May 24 2008


Democratic presidential hopeful, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., greets supporters
after speaking at rally in Sunrise, Fl., Friday, May 23, 2008. (AP Photo/Chris Carlson)

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:05 PM
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1. Keith Olbermann's "Special Comment" about Hillary Clinton invoking Bobby Kennedy's assassination

Keith Olbermann's "Special Comment" about Hillary Clinton invoking Bobby Kennedy's assassination

John Aravosis (DC) • 5/23/2008

Transcripts:

Finally tonight as promised, a Special Comment on Senator Clinton's "assassination" remark to the editorial board of the Argus-Leader newspaper of Sioux Falls, South Dakota.

Once again, it was this:

Asked if her continuing fight for the nomination against Senator Obama hurts the Democratic party, she replied, quote... "I don't. Because again, I've been around long enough. You know, my husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in **June** in California. You know, I just don't understand it. You know, there's lots of speculation about why it is. "

The comments were recorded and we showed them to you earlier and they are on-line as we speak.

She actually said those words.

**Those** words, Senator?

You actually invoked the nightmare of political assassination.

...more at the link



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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:05 PM
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2. *** REC This Thread If You Think Hillary Must Get Out NOW!!! ***
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:07 PM
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3. What about the sensitivity to the Kennedy Family? Hillary?
One question for the Super Delegates ... not the uncommitted ones, but the ones currently pledged to Clinton ... is this really the candidate you lined up to proudly support? Really?

What about the sensitivity to the Kennedy Family? Hillary?

by: icebergslim Fri May 23, 2008




That image above is hard to look at, sad to remember, and hard for many to swallow. That is assassination.
I don't know what Hillary Clinton was thinking of to invoke the painful memory of Robert F. Kennedy into this, but after this she is definitely not worthy of any Vice Presidential slot.

Did she think about the Kennedy family? Does she realize what the family is going through right now with Senator Ted Kennedy? Does she have any feelings? And just to think she holds Robert F. Kennedy's senate seat. (shake your head here) Also, remember that Huckabee just joked about Obama being assassinated. There is nothing funny about any of this, quite the contrary, very sad.

I hope she does have some feelings, but this statement is beyond the pale.

Even though she clarified her statements, she still insinuated that she is staying in because something "bad" could happen to Barack Obama.



...more at the link



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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:07 PM
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4. **Ian Fleming: "The 1st time is happenstance; 2nd time is coincidence; 3rd time is enemy action"
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:08 PM
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5. Abandoning All Hope
Posted by NanceGreggs in General Discussion: Primaries Fri May 23rd 2008,

Ironically, I started writing this piece last night, before Hillary’s latest “gaffe, mis-speak, inadvertent, totally misunderstood” comment. But in view of today’s events, it has been rendered even more relevant….

…I am not a long-time Hillary-hater. Even today, in light of the most offensive remarks any presidential hopeful has ever uttered, I am still not a Hillary-hater.

But at this point, I admit to being as close to hatred as is humanly possible without crossing that line –…

…more at the link
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6100998&mesg_id=6100998






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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:09 PM
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6. Hillary's New Game Plan: Wait To See If Obama Can Stay Alive Til November

Hillary's New Game Plan: Wait To See If Obama Can Stay Alive Til November

The Personal IS Political Friday, May 23, 2008

While speaking before the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader editorial board today Hillary gave us some insight into why she is hanging around in the race: in hopes that Obama will get assassinated and she'll still be around to take his spot. I shit you not...

....there aren't any states remaining, not even Florida and Michigan, that can save her, it is mathematically impossible for her to win, which was NOT the case when Bill won California in June. So her only reason to stay in this race is on the off-chance that Obama gets gunned down, and she is apparently hanging on waiting to see if that will happen. Talk about a nasty plan A.

I guess that makes sabotaging Obama for November so she can run for president in 2012 (or perhaps just to spite him and punish the Democrats) plan B, in case he doesn't get assassinated.

Now this isn't something that just slips off the tongue. When asked why she is resisting calls to drop out, she casually mentions that Bobby Kennedy being assassinated late in the primary, and says she that given that, she doesn't understand why people would push her to get out before June. There is absolutely no way to interpret this as simply a reference to primaries lasting until June, because she was explaining her path to the victory, which is what everyone wants to know, how do you intend to win when the math makes it IMPOSSIBLE for you to win? So responds with a non sequitur about the '92 race's timeline, which in no way reflects the mathematical realities of this race, and the fact that in one historical instance the frontrunner was murdered late in the primary, in what would have been 2 weeks from now. What else is that if not her articulating the only viable option for her to somehow win the nomination??

…I've written before about lax secret service around Obama, and there are many people very obviously worried about the first black presidential candidate being assassinated, and on top of that he has repeatedly been compared to both John F. Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy, not to mention Martin Luther King Jr., and she says this?? When this is obviously the only way she can become the nominee, she says this?????

...more at the link



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Whisp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:09 PM
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7. thanks for your updates, Will.
they don't go unoticed.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:10 PM
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8. Hillary Clinton: Putting the ass….

Hillary Clinton: Putting the ass…

Friday, May 23, 2008 Posted by Kevin K. on 05/23/08

...back in assassination.

I’d write more but I promised myself I was going to decompress tonight.
Fill-in a lot of profanity, outrage and denunciations here:






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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:11 PM
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9. Hillary Clinton: RFK's Ass Was Capped All the Way in June, So What's Your Fuckin' Hurry?

Hillary Clinton: RFK's Ass Was Capped All the Way in June, So What's Your Fuckin' Hurry?

The Rude Pundit 5/23/2008

An analogy: Hillary Clinton basing her timeline
for ending the current nomination process on the June assassination of Robert Kennedy is like a drunk guy saying he's got time for another whiskey because his girlfriend is busy getting gang raped in the alley behind the bar.

And someone really ought to point out to the Clinton campaign that the presidential campaign of 1968 was not a two- or three-year long process. The New Hampshire primary, the first in the nation, wasn't until March 12. Kennedy didn't even get into the running until March 16, 1968. By June 4, 1968, the date of the California primary that Kennedy won, a date that's four months later than this year's California primary, there had only been 13 primaries. Indeed, running until the convention was the only choice, especially after Kennedy was killed on June 5. By June 5 this year, every state will have had its primaries or caucuses. It's not that people were any more patient in 1968. They just didn't have a choice but to wait and see.

So, like, even leaving out the morbid fucktardery of the statement Clinton made and dealing with it on its alleged merits, it's deceptive and idiotic and out of context.

To Clinton's campaign and its supporters, who have been holding out for some gaffe by Obama that would take him down: How's that working out for ya?




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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:11 PM
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10. Saturday is the last day for Super Delegates to make endorsements.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:12 PM
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11. Paging Dr Freud

Paging Dr Freud

Andrew Sullivan 23 May 2008

...to refer to the June assassination of Bobby Kennedy in the context of reasons to stay in this interminable race against Barack Obama is therefore catastrophically inappropriate. Coming after her pitch for "white votes", it is reckless.

As for her argument that June primaries are nothing new, she is correct. But in no previous primary election did the voting start just after New Years' Day. The New Hampshire primary in 1968 was on March 12, two months later than this year. For June, therefore, read August. Yes, this season has gone on for ever. And for Senator Clinton, it has now obviously gone on too long.

She's been waiting for Obama to implode. Instead, she just has.

...more at the link



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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:12 PM
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12. Mini thread on Delegate updates - Obama's magic number 56
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:16 PM
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16. “The Cardoza 40" Exodus of Clinton Delegates Begins
Edited on Fri May-23-08 11:17 PM by WillYourVoteBCounted

“The Cardoza 40" Exodus of Clinton Delegates Begins

By Al Giordano May 23rd, 2008

The endorsement by US Rep. Dennis Cardoza (D-California) of Obama today sends an extremely firm message to the Clinton campaign, and not only because he was, until today, a Clinton superdelegate.

The Field has learned that Cardoza is the first of a group of at least 40 Clinton delegates, many of them from California, that through talking among themselves came to a joint decision that all of them would vote for Obama at the convention. They have informed Senator Clinton that it’s time to unite around Obama, and that they will be coming out, one or two at a time, and announcing their switch between now and the convention if Senator Clinton doesn’t do the same.

...Cardoza, in his endorsement today, said:

“I am deeply concerned about the contentious primary campaign and controversy surrounding the seating of delegates from Florida and Michigan – two states Democrats need to win in November. I will not support changing the rules in the fourth quarter of this contest through some convoluted DNC rules committee process. Yet, we must find a resolution to seat the Michigan and Florida delegates so these states’ voters are represented at the Convention. I believe we need to avoid this potentially divisive situation by uniting behind one nominee and bringing the party together immediately. Therefore, I have made the decision to support Senator Obama at the Democratic Convention in my role as a super delegate.”


...more at the link



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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 02:13 PM
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37. Obama picks up one add on in GA
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:12 PM
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13. 'She just gave Democrats a reason to say no.'
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:13 PM
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14. I Guess The VP Negotiations Went Poorly

I Guess The VP Negotiations Went Poorly

John Cole May 23

Do Hillary’s remarks today mean we can stop all the Hillary as VP nonsense and we don’t have to pretend she is like “OMG THE SMARTEST LIKE WOMAN IN THE WORLD” anymore?

Because along with ending her tedious “anything can happen” campaign that is now several months old, those other two would be welcome developments.

....One thing I do see, though, and have not seen this entire campaign- fear. You can see it in her eyes. She knows she has shit the bed with this one, and that is why she is reeling and babbling about holding Kennedy’s seat.

...more at the link





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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:15 PM
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15. Your Nagging Mother Disapproves of the "Dream Ticket" Idea
Amazingly, this was posted at Halfricanrevolution AFTER a post about Hillary's "assassination" screwup.

Your Nagging Mother Disapproves of the "Dream Ticket" Idea

Posted by "One Drop" Friday, May 23, 2008

All of this incessant buzz and chatter about an Obama/Clinton ticket . . . could we stop, maybe? Is that too much to ask? What, you think it would be a "dream ticket"? You and your fancy "dream tickets" . . . you don't know from dreams. Dreams, I could show you. This is no dream. This is a nightmare. An abomination, I tell you. Your father, rest his soul, would be mortified at the thought of this "dream ticket."

What's not to like about Obama and Clinton running together, you ask? Oh, who am I to object, right? I'm just your mother. Maybe I should go sit in that broken chair in the basement, and wait to die, instead of bothering you with an old lady's opinions. You're busy, I understand, you have no time for all of my ramblings. I only gave you life and nursed you at my breast, it's nothing much. You don't need to listen to me.

Okay, well, if you insist, I'll tell you why this "dream" of yours would have both sets of your grandparents spinning in their graves: because you shouldn't reward Hillary Clinton for all of her bad behavior. If you give her a place on the ticket, you're telling everyone that it's fine and dandy to try to split up the Democratic Party along racial lines, that nobody minds if a candidate tries to win a nomination by changing the rules when she doesn't like the outcome. You want that your daughters should grow up to behave like that? Or your sons? This is the kind of lesson you want handed down to your children

I understand, she's an historic candidate, the first woman to come close to being nominated for President by a major party. Last year, I was okay with that argument. It wasn't enough for me, mind you, but I wasn't offended. But she's thrown all of that out the window by being the first Democratic candidate to not only benefit from racial prejudice but to brag about it, too. It's one thing if her voters should pick her for bad reasons. She can't stop them from doing that. But it's another thing to encourage them to do so. And you know that's what she's done. Oh, she's smart, that Clinton, she doesn't tell her audiences that they don't want to vote for some black guy, but she doesn't have to say that. All she has to do is talk about those "hard working white Americans" and they know exactly what she means. Like I said, smart.

...more at the link








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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:18 PM
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17. The Coolness Of The Obama Campaign

The Coolness Of The Obama Campaign

23 May 2008 Andrew Sullivan

A reader notes:

I think the Obama campaign has chosen wisely the past week or so, to let Senator Clinton "implode" on her own. And it's obviously beginning to happen. Senator Obama and his campaign have been very hands-off lately with the Clinton campaign, instead focusing their energy on McCain and not letting him or his campaign get away with baseless attacks. So far, he has responded with force, dignity, intelligence, and calmness, and turned from defense to offense admirably and fairly. He is looking more and more presidential every day, and Senator Clinton is looking less so each day. I think the Obama campaign statement today was perfect: it didn't use Wolfson-like venom, but simply used the words "unfortunate" and "has no place in this campaign". Laser-like precision!






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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:18 PM
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18. OK, so I'm convinced... (SUNRISE, FL OBAMA RALLY - LOTSA PICS)
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:20 PM
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19. Obama's 'Jewish problem' is not being dependent on AIPAC

Obama's 'Jewish problem' is not being dependent on AIPAC

By Phill Hallam-Baker - May 23, 2008

There is a lot being written about Obama's alleged 'Jewish problem'. What this seems to mean is that there is one particular group of people who have a habit of thinking that they speak for the entire community who have a particular problem with Obama.

But that problem has nothing to do with what Obama has said about Israel. Obama has a 100% rating with AIPAC and there really is nothing to distinguish Obama's policy from Clinton's.

...Some of the difference is explained by racism, but thats not what drives the big lobbies. Their problem with Obama is that he is his own man and does not depend on them for support.

Worse, Obama has much more support and much more visible support from under 40s in the community they purport to speak for. Obama does not need to tug his forelock to AIPAC, if he becomes President they need him more than he needs them.

...more at the link



In other words, AIPAC is afraid that they won't be able to control Obama the way
they do other politicians. Any potential candidate is groomed by AIPAC and given
an indoctrination. Obama does not accept PAC money.


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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:21 PM
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20. Question for Sen. McCain
((((((((((((((( The RBC Update: Question for Sen. McCain )))))))))))))))

2008.05.23 01:45:01

------------------------------------------------------------------------

How much time are you prepared to buy? And how many lives are
you prepared to pay?

------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://WWW.samefacts.com/archives/the_war_in_iraq_/2008/05/question_for_sen_mccain.php


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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:46 PM
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21. To those of you who worry about Barack Obama:
To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

Its better that this nastiness is out in the open, even though I fear
that Hillary is blowing the whistle to some of her more unhinged "supporters".

Obama's secret service detail no doubt is being upgraded to full presidential service.

If not, I expect it there will be calls for it to do so.

WHAT YOU CAN DO:

Here is a list of uncommitted super delegates:
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/can-we-end-this-now-list-of-un.php

pick a few who are nearest to your location and contact them.

Tell them your concerns about Hillary still being in the campaign,
her comments and your concerns about ramping up protection for Obama.

And remember, its far better that we are warned, that makes Obama safer, IMHO.



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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-23-08 11:50 PM
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22. Obama in Maitland video 5.21.08
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:08 AM
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23. There's been alot of trolls in GDP, so a reminder:
McCain is looking for trolls. Not saying he is the source of the
trolls here, but there sure is alot of it going on.




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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:18 AM
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24. I've seen two trolls get the cement pizza this evening
one really sounded republican, was referencing Dan Rather in a republican
kind of way.

Another - can't tell who was fueling their fire. But they assassinated themselves.

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:55 AM
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25. Another pro-Clinton blog calls for her to step down.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:56 AM
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26. Obama draws close to 20,000 in Sunrise, Florida today.
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Hope And Change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:57 AM
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27. K & R!
:kick:
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 10:03 AM
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28. Obama in Puerto Rico--news article
http://www.elnuevodia.com/diario/noticia/portada/noticias/promesas_de_obama/409434


In his first activity since he arrived in Puerto Rico last night, the Democrat candidate for the presidency of the United States, Barack Obama, promised this morning, leaving elected, the construction of a new hospital for veterans.

The promises made them in a private meeting with members of the United Puerto Rican Veterans Coalition at the University of Puerto Rico in Bayamon.

"We need to ensure that veterans here in San Juan are receiving the same quality of care that veterans of Chicago and the 50 states of the country… that is why he promised a veterans hospital in the twenty-first century as president of the United States" , Said Obama.

Senator for Illinois also reaffirmed that it is time to end the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. As we remember the soldiers who have died in that battle, only Obama spoke of 35 dead Puerto Rican soldiers. However, until last April the number of Puerto Rican soldiers killed in the Iraq war amounts to 69.

After this meeting with veterans, Obama will move to Old San Juan to participate in an activity the public 11:30 in the morning.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:21 PM
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29. Recommended reading by The Field - they ask you to read today
The Field asks that you read this in light of the mess following Hillary's comments.


"Consider this an open thread, with the proviso advice to those that continue giving more exposure to Senator Clinton’s terrible gaffe yesterday even with the righteous indignation that any of us that are still human naturally feel toward it: I just ask that you read this story before speaking aloud or add more fuel to the kind of fire that has extinguished hope too many times before"

http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/eln01_leader.html
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:22 PM
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30. Death-Wish Hillary Primes Manchurian Candidate
May 24 / 25, 2008
CounterPunch Diary

Death-Wish Hillary Primes Manchurian Candidate
By ALEXANDER COCKBURN

Ever since she realized back in early March that Obama was going to take the nomination Hillary Clinton’s long-term strategy has been to do her best to ensure McCain will win this November so she can become the Democratic nominee in 2012. But she had a short term strategy too and on Friday she deliberately made it explicit in a newspaper office in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. There she suggested that some is likely to step up to the plate and assassinate Barack Obama in the waning moments of the California primary, just as Bobby Kennedy was forty years go almost to the day. The wish is mother to the deed. If anything does happen to Obama in California Mrs Clinton should surely be indicted as a co-conspirator.

How to else construe her grotesque remarks in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in the editorial offices of the Argus Leader newspaper. Here she told the editors, "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

There is no other way to construe these sentences, not thrown over her shoulder on a campaign walk, but delivered in measured tones to the Argus-Leader editorial board, but to interpret them as Mrs Clinton’s more or less explicit statement that she is spending a million a day just to keep her hat in the ring because Obama might well get killed. Then, just like the scenario at the end of the Manchurian candidate, Hillary will straddle Obama’s bleeding body, make the speech of her life and become the assured nominee. In fact, right now she’s probably sitting down with some numbed vet and whispering coyly in her best Angela Lansbury mode to the Lawrence Harvey stand-in, “How about passing the time by playing a little solitaire?" I pass on whether Hillary reprises Angela Lansbury’s famous incestuous kiss on her son’s lips. Perhaps Sid Blumenthal is the stand-in, though I doubt he’s a very good shot.

...Mrs Clinton and her mouthpieces have been steadily raising the volume on their verbal-lynching. In South Dakota Mrs Clinton lit the fuse.

...more at the link
http://counterpunch.com/cockburn05242008.html
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:48 PM
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31. Who Does She Think She Is?
Who Does She Think She Is?
24 May 2008 Andrew Sullivan


Hilzoy writes:

People are writing about as though she were a bomb that needed to be expertly defused, as opposed to a person who can govern her own life, and is responsible for her own choices.

I am aware that it must be hard to face the fact that you've lost. But it became clear that she was not going to win the nomination months ago -- I would say after Wisconsin, but certainly after Texas. Moreover, this is not unprecedented. People lose the nomination every four years. Most of the time, they do not stay on until it is mathematically impossible for them to win; they leave when it has become clear that they will not win. They do not complain about disenfranchising all the states with later primaries, they do not threaten to keep their supporters home, and they certainly do not threaten "open civil war" if they don't get nominated for Vice President. On those rare occasions when some candidate does this in the absence of some truly monumental issue, we normally think that that candidate is a narcissistic and unprincipled person who has just shown why s/he should never, ever be President.

There is absolutely no reason not to apply these same standards to Hillary Clinton.


Continue reading "Who Does She Think She Is?" »

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/open-civil-war.html#more



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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:50 PM
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32. Litigant Or Sociopath?
Litigant Or Sociopath?
Andrew Sullivan 24 May 2008 10:31 am

Ann Althouse, seconded by the Passive-Aggressive one, poo-pooed the notion that the Clintons are sociopaths in their Florida and Michigan grandstanding. They're just being lawyers - preparing to litigate. There is one obvious problem with that argument, as a reader explains:

Althouse is right to an extent. Often in ligitation, if the rules help you, they are iron clad, and if they don't, you look for reasons why they shouldn't apply. But that's not what's going on here.

To use the ligitation analogy, if you walk in to court espousing the exact opposite position of an earlier stated position, you lose, plain and simple. Your opponent calls it an admission, throws it in your face, and probably moves for sanctions. The judge accepts the earlier position as the truth and the later position an obvious attempt to impose a different standard of liability than what everyone agreed to before the litigation (or at an earlier point in the litigation). Worst of all, you lose all credibility with the judge, which any litigator will tell you is the most important weapon in your arsenal. By Ann's analogy, Clinton loses (and gets sanctioned).

Lord knows I'd like to litigate that case.


http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/05/litigant-or-soc.html
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 12:55 PM
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33. The Exit is the final Casualty
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:26 PM
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34. Black Star News: Clinton “Hopes” For Obama Assassination?
Clinton “Hopes” For Obama Assassination?
Black Star News Editorial
May 23rd, 2008

Senator Clinton has finally snapped under the pressure of her losing campaign and pressure from her demonic husband Bill and his race-baiting campaign strategy against Senator Obama
Somehow we at The Black Star News are not surprised to read today that Senator Hillary Clinton told a newspaper’s editorial board, in a not very subtle way, that she remains in the presidential race where she has no chance of winning on the hope that Senator Barack Obama could be assassinated.

We suspected this all along, even when she still had some chance, and we said so in our Editorial “Clinton Race Baiting Could Endanger Obama,” which was published on www.blackstarnews.com on March 16, 2008. Senator Clinton today when asked why she remains in the race told the editorial board of the Sioux Falls Argus Leader: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. You know I just, I don't understand it…."

Reacting to Clinton's comments today, New York City Councilmember Charles Barron had this to say: “Hillary Clinton must have lost her mind. For her to even make the implication about an Obama assassination. That is insane for her to say that. There are enough crazy people out there who would want to so something like that…and for her to encourage it? Someone should make a citizen’s arrest of her for conspiracy.”

We wholeheartedly agree with Barron's sentiment and we suggest Senator Clinton should be held responsible by all decent Americans if any harm comes to Senator Obama. We believe that if this woman has a shred of dignity and self respect –if not for her, for the sake of her daughter Chelsea—she should apologize to the American people, withdraw from the race and join a monastery.

...more at the link
http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=4560
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:27 PM
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35. Black Star News: "Clinton Race Baiting Could Endanger Obama"
Black Star News reran this editorial in light of Hillary's RFP assassination "comments" the other day.


Clinton Race Baiting Could Endanger Obama

The Clinton race baiting and religious bigotry strategy may endanger Barack Obama.


Do the Clintons want Senator Obama harmed by some nut out there?


This is a legitimate question, based on the blatant race baiting and religious bigotry that have been promoted by the Clinton campaign in its desperate drive to derail Obama’s possible nomination as presidential candidate of the Democratic Party.

The so-called liberal media have not sufficiently condemned Hillary Clinton's dangerous strategies. If such heinous machinations were employed by a Republican candidate that candidate would be universally criticized.

The Clintons’ race baiting and religious bigotry are broadcast through traditional mass media and through the Internet. These outlets serve the same function, unwittingly or otherwise, that Radio-Television Libre Milles Collines did in Rwanda in 1994, during the genocide; which was to inflame hostilities between ethnic Hutus and Tutsis in Rwanda.

This is not to suggest genocidal eruption in the U.S. In this case, the hateful Clinton message could direct violence at candidate Obama.

...
http://blackstarnews.com/?c=135&a=4560
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 01:48 PM
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36. Clyburn's "outrage" ??? His constituents should give him a call
Clyburn's "outrage"
by John Aravosis (DC) · 5/24/2008 01:00:00 PM ET · Link
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"This is beyond the pale," Rep. James Clyburn, an undeclared superdelegate and the third-ranking Democrat in the House of Representatives, told the New York Times.

Apparently not so beyond the pale. You're still undeclared. And Obama won your state, South Carolina, two-to-one. And you're African-American. And you still can't decide between Hillary and Obama? What is wrong with you? I have a feeling Mr. Clyburn is going to be getting a lot of phone calls inquiring about his views on "assassinations" on Tuesday...

http://www.americablog.com/2008/05/clyburns-outrage.html

COLUMBIA
1225 Lady Street, Suite 200
Columbia, SC 29201
Phone: (803)799-1100
Fax: (803)799-9060

FLORENCE
Business & Technology Center
181 East Evans St., 314
Florence, SC 29506
Phone: (843)662-1212
Fax: (843)662-8474

SANTEE
176 Brooks Blvd.
Santee, SC 29142
Phone: (803)854-4700
Fax: (803)854-4900

WASHINGTON
2135 Rayburn House Office Building
Washington, 20515
Phone: (202)225-3315
Fax: (202)225-2313

http://clyburn.house.gov/contact.cfm

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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 05:52 PM
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38. Sen. Barack Obama has picked up another superdelegate (Wyoming add-on)
http://www.montanasnewsstation.com/Global/story.asp?S=8376091&nav=menu227_7

"Also Saturday, Democrats selected the state's sixth superdelegate, state Rep. W. Patrick Goggles of Ethete. Goggles was the only person nominated to be the "unpledged add-on" delegate by party chairman and Obama supporter John Millin.

Goggles told The Associated Press that he will support Obama at the party's national convention this summer in Denver."
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-24-08 06:37 PM
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39. Barack Obama wants Bill to heal Hillary Clinton wounds
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